Raw - March 31th

Lord TSC

Never been as underwhelmed going into a Mania as I am now. Will post more about that over in the Mania thread.

Only thing to really note is....the HHH segment and video package where he ran down people. I get he's acting like a douche and trying to rile up the IWC. But I can't help but feel he just went a bit too nasty and I felt a tad uncomfortable during the segment for some reason. I guess I don't like him so fair enough, he's "doing his job as a heel".

But running Goldberg down cause he had a "fake" streak....while trying to push Taker's on the same show? Running down people for catchphrases...while basing your entire promo on how you are "The Game". And I didn't feel this was being done in a hypocritical way deliberately. It was just venting on people you don't like for stupid reasons.

Meh. As I said, I want to see him beat which is the point I guess, and its the only match on the card with any legit heat or drawing power imo. Whatever. Didn't like it though.

Ape Lincoln

Bryan's promo on Backstage Pass was pretty good. He called himself a pro wrestler.

krudler

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Never been as underwhelmed going into a Mania as I am now. Will post more about that over in the Mania thread.

Only thing to really note is....the HHH segment and video package where he ran down people. I get he's acting like a douche and trying to rile up the IWC. But I can't help but feel he just went a bit too nasty and I felt a tad uncomfortable during the segment for some reason. I guess I don't like him so fair enough, he's "doing his job as a heel".

But running Goldberg down cause he had a "fake" streak....while trying to push Taker's on the same show? Running down people for catchphrases...while basing your entire promo on how you are "The Game". And I didn't feel this was being done in a hypocritical way deliberately. It was just venting on people you don't like for stupid reasons.

Meh. As I said, I want to see him beat which is the point I guess, and its the only match on the card with any legit heat or drawing power imo. Whatever. Didn't like it though.

That's hilarious, havent seen Raw yet but really? a fake streak? what cos Taker legit beat all those guys? that's just insulting your audience.

Rjd2

For those who missed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diUiHoCq82U

Lord TSC

krudler wrote: »

That's hilarious, havent seen Raw yet but really? a fake streak? what cos Taker legit beat all those guys? that's just insulting your audience.

I think that was the point though; it was Hunter launching a direct attack on "the internet darlings", running down everyone he's ever "buried", in a bid to get heel heat with the IWC.

J. Marston

Best part of the show was seeing about 10 seconds of Kurt Angle footage.

Jester252

Surprised Steiner made it into the video.

Omackeral

Least we know that what the AJ in AJ Lee stands for. Absolute Jobber

GTR63

Wow not a lot of chatter. When is Mania again? (checks calender) Oh dear

Insect Overlord

It was a very poor Raw. I'd estimate a good 45% of the running time was ad breaks. Tough to watch, even with fast-forward.

langer91

Rjd2 wrote: »

For those who missed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diUiHoCq82U

Buried the entire TNA Main Event Roster :P

Mr.Nice Guy

It was so underwhelming that I can't even think of anything worthy of comment which probably explains the length of the thread.

Really disappointed in the Mania build this year. I do, however, think the matches will help give the show positive feedback and I expect a strong PPV.

Mr.Nice Guy

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

It was so underwhelming that I can't even think of anything worthy of comment which probably explains the length of the thread.

Really disappointed in the Mania build this year. I do, however, think the matches will help give the show positive feedback and I expect a strong
PPV.

Too many matches with no storylines and everyone just thrown togethar. Battle royal, divas match and tag team title matches.

the groutch

An File wrote: »

It was a very poor Raw. I'd estimate a good 45% of the running time was ad breaks. Tough to watch, even with fast-forward.

Smackdown has 2 matches in two hours, imagine how much ads and promos that will have.

riffmongous

the groutch wrote: »

Smackdown has 2 matches in two hours, imagine how much ads and promos that will have.

I couldnt understand that at first when I read the spoilers, I was wondering where the rest of the article was.

the groutch

the groutch wrote: »

Smackdown has 2 matches in two hours, imagine how much ads and promos that will have.

The last smackdown before mania usually shows a lot of stuff from wrestlemania axcess and stuff from wm week.

D.Q

incredible promo from Bryan on Backstage pass. sold it to me.

rovert

D.Q wrote: »

incredible promo from Bryan on Backstage pass. sold it to me.

Why wasn't that on Raw/rant

Qs

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I think that was the point though; it was Hunter launching a direct attack on "the internet darlings", running down everyone he's ever "buried", in a bid to get heel heat with the IWC.

Thats not exactly a great way to sell WM30 though. Its just HHH being a dickhead because thats what he is, not to draw heat because its good for business.

Lithium93_

Watching that Triple H video & listening to Stephanie narrate it gives Hunter an aura of pure evil

beakerjoe

It was a great video and IMO puts him over as an asshole heel that teh IWC thinks he is regardless of what he does on screen. He should come out with a slegehammer at WM and drop it at the ramp and be given a shovel instead by a stage hand.

Chip Whitley

I haven't watched the video with sound (in work) but just out of curiosity, why would you think he wasn't shown beating Rock or Stone Cold, he surely picked up a few big wins over them they could have featured?

DM_7

It's all fake......

Except Triple H, he is really a prick.

Oh and Vince was the same.

.......................................


Triple H is simply playing up what people think Paul Levesque is actually like, the same way Vince did when he created his on screen persona after Montreal. Triple H has done it brilliantly since Summerslam.

beakerjoe

The Incredible Hulk wrote: »

I haven't watched the video with sound (in work) but just out of curiosity, why would you think he wasn't shown beating Rock or Stone Cold, he surely picked up a few big wins over them they could have featured?

Well The Rock clearly went on to bigger things than Hunter after their battles so he wouldnt have come off as destroying all his competition over the years if he threw Rocky in there. The Stone Cold was also the biggest star in the company and he was a much bigger star than Hunter, therefore he didnt stop him in his tracks and destroy him like he took down Steiner, Booker, Goldberg and the likes.

Chip Whitley

beakerjoe wrote: »

Well The Rock clearly went on to bigger things than Hunter after their battles so he wouldnt have come off as destroying all his competition over the years if he threw Rocky in there. The Stone Cold was also the biggest star in the company and he was a much bigger star than Hunter, therefore he didnt stop him in his tracks and destroy him like he took down Steiner, Booker, Goldberg and the likes.

Cheers, I guessed that, thought he might have used them to make himself look better to the casual fan too though!

krudler

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

It was so underwhelming that I can't even think of anything worthy of comment which probably explains the length of the thread.

Really disappointed in the Mania build this year. I do, however, think the matches will help give the show positive feedback and I expect a strong PPV.

That's the thing like on paper it'll probably be perfectly solid in ring wise, just the build and overall atmosphere of it has been really sub par, it's the 30th Wrestlemania and I'm more looking forward to Raw the next night :pac:

Fr. Sensini

This whole Triple H thing seems to be him behaving in the exact way that got him so much criticism years ago but now now it's supposed to be ok becuae it's him trolling the smarks. I don't really want that to be the basis for such a big Wrestlemania feud. I usually like it when they incorporate real life stuff into a character but I don't think this is the right time for it. Also unlike Mr. McMahon which happened shortly after Montreal it's about a decade after this stuff was relevant. Most of his worst burials were in 2002-03. I've only recently started watching again after about six years away and it's weird seeing all this.

A Primal Nut

The Incredible Hulk wrote: »

I haven't watched the video with sound (in work) but just out of curiosity, why would you think he wasn't shown beating Rock or Stone Cold, he surely picked up a few big wins over them they could have featured?

Yeah it was blatant that they chose guys who the IWC have accused HHH of burying in the past....Booker T, RVD, Steiner and Goldberg in particular; rather than the big stars like Rock or Stone Cold.

A Primal Nut

Interesting that the commentators mentioned the Reality Era tonight...after Triple H mentioned it a couple of weeks ago. I wonder are they really pushing that as the next big era after the PG era?

rovert

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Interesting that the commentators mentioned the Reality Era tonight...after Triple H mentioned it a couple of weeks ago. I wonder are they really pushing that as the next big era after the PG era?

More of an insider wink at Masked Man.

Reebrock

That little HHH video is getting a lot of talk. To the casual fan it was no different from any other hype video. Surely there needed to be a video highlighting all of Daniels struggles since Summerslam?

A Brad Maddox Guy

beakerjoe wrote: »

It was a great video and IMO puts him over as an asshole heel that teh IWC thinks he is regardless of what he does on screen. He should come out with a slegehammer at WM and drop it at the ramp and be given a shovel instead by a stage hand.

Only if he does this with it(any excuse to post this again)

gerrybbadd

Jesus that Ballyhoo (that I predicted would hapoen) was truly awful. Why in the name of Jumping Jesus did Dolph attempt a sunset flip on Ron Ron Mysterious? No idea of ring psychology at all.

Anyone actually believe that Big Slow is gonna win this?

beakerjoe

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Jesus that Ballyhoo (that I predicted would hapoen) was truly awful. Why in the name of Jumping Jesus did Dolph attempt a sunset flip on Ron Ron Mysterious? No idea of ring psychology at all.

Anyone actually believe that Big Slow is gonna win this?

I can see Hogan sneaking in at teh end and eliminating the last man thus winning the match

Loughc

beakerjoe wrote: »

I can see Hogan sneaking in at teh end and eliminating the last man thus winning the match

Hogan moves so slow these days he'd want to sneak in at the start of the match to get in the ring for the finish.

dirkmeister

HHH wasn't to far from the mark with his comment about people not wanting to do anything that requires effort, that they just latch onto supporting whatever is popular.

Whosthis

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Ballyhoo

I apologise if this seems like nitpicking. I know what you mean to say when you use the word "ballyhoo" however I don't think it means what you intend. I've never heard it being used this way in a wrestling context before. I've worked with TNA producer Steve Small on a number of occasions and he's only ever used the word in regards to lighting: say before an event when all the lights are moving and flashing randomly around the area a to help create anticipation. Anytime he's talked about a multi man free for all he's used the term schmozz.

Reebrock

dirkmeister wrote: »

HHH wasn't to far from the mark with his comment about people not wanting to do anything that requires effort, that they just latch onto supporting whatever is popular.

In regards to what, wrestling fanism? That doesn't make sense.

Whosthis

Whosthis wrote: »

I apologise if this seems like nitpicking. I know what you mean to say when you use the word "ballyhoo" however I don't think it means what you intend. I've never heard it being used this way in a wrestling context before. I've worked with TNA producer Steve Small on a number of occasions and he's only ever used the word in regards to lighting: say before an event when all the lights are moving and flashing randomly around the area a to help create anticipation. Anytime he's talked about a multi man free for all he's used the term schmozz.

Hmm, dictionary would imply that Whosthis may in fact be a dumbass.

Full Definition of BALLYHOO

1
: a noisy attention-getting demonstration or talk
2
: flamboyant, exaggerated, or sensational promotion or publicity
3
: excited commotion
— ballyhoo transitive verb
See ballyhoo defined for English-language learners »
See ballyhoo defined for kids »
Examples of BALLYHOO

<it turned out that the ballyhoo was the result of a movie being filmed on the street>
<the usual ballyhoo intended to fill the seats at megaplexes around the country>

D.Q

who cares either way really, words are only used to convey a message or idea. Everyone knew what he meant by ballyhoo. No point in getting bogged down by the finer details.

dirkmeister

Reebrock wrote: »

In regards to what, wrestling fanism? That doesn't make sense.

I mean "bandwagonism" in general, people see a successful team/athlete in any sport and suddenly everyone's an expert/has an opinion...but nobody will actually get off their holes and do anything that requires physical effort ie.play the game themselves.


Anyway back on topic: HHH is playing the role of a pr!ck perfectly

Ape Lincoln

Kevin Dunn and his ballyhoo here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTGDXN5jxUo

Liam O

dirkmeister wrote: »

I mean "bandwagonism" in general, people see a successful team/athlete in any sport and suddenly everyone's an expert/has an opinion...but nobody will actually get off their holes and do anything that requires physical effort ie.play the game themselves.


Anyway back on topic: HHH is playing the role of a pr!ck perfectly

Yeah you're right, if only I'd listened to HHH when I was young, it could be me getting buried by him on Sunday

The Showstopper

Did anyone else notice the Mayo 4 Sam flag in the crowd during HHH's promo? Best part of Raw for me.

I like a lot of the HHH/Bryan feud but one thing I'm disappointed with and can't understand is why Bryan's win at Summerslam has being rendered almost irrelevant. Surely the fact that he beat Cena should be used to point the flaws in HHH's argument about Bryan being a B+ player?

Whosthis

D.Q wrote: »

who cares either way really, words are only used to convey a message or idea. Everyone knew what he meant by ballyhoo. No point in getting bogged down by the finer details.

Obviously I do or I wouldn't have asked. It was used in a context I hadn't heard before and I found it interesting. It may sound very boring but I find words, their usage and origins somewhat fascinating.

gerrybbadd

Whosthis wrote: »

I apologise if this seems like nitpicking. I know what you mean to say when you use the word "ballyhoo" however I don't think it means what you intend. I've never heard it being used this way in a wrestling context before. I've worked with TNA producer Steve Small on a number of occasions and he's only ever used the word in regards to lighting: say before an event when all the lights are moving and flashing randomly around the area a to help create anticipation. Anytime he's talked about a multi man free for all he's used the term schmozz.

I'm just taking the pish really when I say Ballyhoo. I've taken it from another thread on leaked WWE scripts,where every show would begin with a Ballyhoo. (WWE sure do love that word) I do mean a schmozz if wrestling terms are used. It's like, whenever I refer to Rey Mysterio on Boards, I'll call him Ron Ron or Ron Mysterious. Just a bit of fun really.

Omackeral

gerrybbadd wrote: »

I'm just taking the pish really when I say Ballyhoo. I've taken it from another thread on leaked WWE scripts,where every show would begin with a Ballyhoo. (WWE sure do love that word) I do mean a schmozz if wrestling terms are used. It's like, whenever I refer to Rey Mysterio on Boards, I'll call him Ron Ron or Ron Mysterious. Just a bit of fun really.

Don't be telling them our secret about Ron Ron!!!

gerrybbadd

Omackeral wrote: »

Don't be telling them our secret about Ron Ron!!!

Oops!

Bounty Hunter

Omackeral wrote: »

Don't be telling them our secret about Ron Ron!!!

under the mask it's Ron Burgundy!

best finish/reveal to a something vs Mask match ever right there!