Apple announces WWDC 14 (June 2-6)

Frank Lee Midere

AlanS181824 wrote: »

I never said I'm not interested in Apple, I said I'm a general tech fan.

And yes, Android is more free but some people say less secure.

A lot of the features announced are catch up with Android expect the pick up where you left off thing, that's really cool.

Fair enough. I missed the bit where you said you might buy an iPhone 6. Apple forums sometimes get trolls but you seem genuinely cross platform.

Frank Lee Midere

Cantremember wrote: »

Yep. Twitter has lots of same comments. Looks like Cooke thinks Android is a beta for iOS. Apple doesn't want to innovate anymore: it's tweaks and integration and ecosystem and smoothness. Moto launches this Summer and Apple follows with a similar device in Autumn. The new world order.

Most of that is Android fans seeing trivial parts of the OS at a high level as the OS.

Apple have also written a new damn language if not two ( not sure if metal is a language or not. ).

IamtheWalrus

Is there a hardware conference ever?

Dman001

Aodhagan wrote: »

Guess this is the R.I.P. to iPhone 4 in terms of iOS support.

The phone has got over 3 years support, which is very good. No other manufacturer would provide such support for a device.

Apple posted an iBook of Swift for those interested:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/swift-programming-language/id881256329?mt=11&at=10l3N7

OU812

So when are we going to see these released ? My network was choppy & I kept missing bits

murpho999

Aodhagan wrote: »

Apple stock price dropping as expected. Probably fuelled by those who expected iPhone 6 & iWatch today.

The share price is down 0.87% which is nothing.

Share prices go up and down every day you know?

No one was expecting hardware announcements today.

robertxxx

Is there a new Apple TV coming out?

AlanS181824

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Fair enough. I missed the bit where you said you might buy an iPhone 6. Apple forums sometimes get trolls but you seem genuinely cross platform.

Not a problem, I understand what you mean.

This and the Android forum can be very volatile.

FourFourRED

murpho999 wrote: »

The share price is down 0.87% which is nothing.

Share prices go up and down every day you know?

No one was expecting hardware announcements today.

It has been rising over the last week. Don't act so pedantic. If you believe nobody expected a hardware announcement, good for you. There have been hardware announcements at most WWDC's through the years.

mad muffin

Cantremember wrote: »

Yep. Twitter has lots of same comments. Looks like Cooke thinks Android is a beta for iOS. Apple doesn't want to innovate anymore: it's tweaks and integration and ecosystem and smoothness. Moto launches this Summer and Apple follows with a similar device in Autumn. The new world order.

Overheal wrote: »

Sounds like Apple is following, not leading.

A lot of us here like what Android is doing.

Except we don't like Android, nor do we like the hardware the manufacturers are releasing.

Now we can have our cake and eat it too.

shanec1928

Aodhagan wrote: »

got that too. hopefully thats means we got it:D

AlanS181824

When I heard that 20GB of storage space is "only" 0.99$ a month I managed to fall for it too, thought it was cheap, such clever marketing :P

Then I realised that for 1$ more you can get 100GB from Google!

However, compared to Apple's current cloud prices this is a massive improvement.

murpho999

Aodhagan wrote: »

It has been rising over the last week. Don't act so pedantic. If you believe nobody expected a hardware announcement, good for you. There have been hardware announcements at most WWDC's through the years.

Not being pedantic but no shares rise all the time.

There have been a pattern of no hardware announcements at WWDC and I just think you're trying to make something out of nothing as a lot of your posts seem to be anti-Apple.

FourFourRED

murpho999 wrote: »

Not being pedantic but no shares rise all the time.

There have been a pattern of no hardware announcements at WWDC and I just think you're trying to make something out of nothing as a lot of your posts seem to be anti-Apple.

I'm sorry you read my posts that way but I'm definitely not anti-Apple at all. I'm very much the opposite.

FourFourRED

Dman001 wrote: »

The phone has got over 3 years support, which is very good. No other manufacturer would provide such support for a device.

Apple posted an iBook of Swift for those interested:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/swift-programming-language/id881256329?mt=11&at=10l3N7

Over 4 years really. June 2010-September 2014.

robertxxx

TV......?

FourFourRED

Battery usage by app will be a welcome feature if it's accurate.

hoodwinked

well looking at it as some who moved to the samsung galaxy S range (having used both jelly bean and kitkat) in january, i will be buying the iphone 6 for ios8!

Inquitus

in a word - Meh!

banquo

Well exceeded my expectations tbh. For both platforms.

Dades

Some good stuff there.

Particularly excited about the photo app. Timer, exposures, focus settings. All welcome. New filters and the option of having third party ones available from in the app sounds great. Should be a big leap coupled with the iPhone 6 camera

I like the cloud storage concept of leaving only a slimmed down version of your shots on the phone, though cloud storage is STILL too expensive. I just bought a new (backup) portable hard drive for less than €50 which would cost $50 a month if you had that much storage online.

Widgets? Apple seem determined that iOS doesn't deviate from its tried and tested homepage. At this stage I wish they'd grow a pair and at least let devs have a crack at doing something interesting with it.

DubDJ

For me I got more than I expected with this update. I'm a Mac and iOS user and there's plenty of features and refinements to keep me excited. Particularly liked the handoff and continuity related features. The messaging and calling from your Mac being particularly interesting and useful.

A few features Android already has but then again I'm sticking with iOS for a reason, today certainly reminded me why. The past two developer conferences have been two of the biggest for me in recent years. I just hope they keep the hardware side of things interesting, they certainly have the talented people to make these amazing things that have been rumoured for years. The last hardware release that had be properly excited was the iPhone 4.

dloob

I'm pretty pleased with the per app battery usage and third party keyboards.
They were the only two things I missed from android.

Zcott

Just catching up now after watching the keynote. Coolest thing = answering texts and phone calls from the Mac. Anyone know if that's over wifi or Bluetooth LE?

Creamy Goodness

need to learn a new programming language to stay current and at the top of my field, cheers Apple.

stunning keynote, not a bad word to be said really.

OU812

Zcott wrote: »

Just catching up now after watching the keynote. Coolest thing = answering texts and phone calls from the Mac. Anyone know if that's over wifi or Bluetooth LE?

There's already two apps that do this (it's over LE Bluetooth).

Phonebox - http://getphonebox.com - which allows you to record calls (currently not operational in Mavericks, but due to be reinstated in next release) & HandsFree - http://www.tunabellysoftware.com/handsfree/ Which works the same way but doesn't allow recording.

Zcott

OU812 wrote: »

There's already two apps that do this (it's over LE Bluetooth).

Phonebox - http://getphonebox.com - which allows you to record calls (currently not operational in Mavericks, but due to be reinstated in next release) & HandsFree - http://www.tunabellysoftware.com/handsfree/ Which works the same way but doesn't allow recording.

Yeah, I was familiar with one of these but I don't believe my Mac supports Bluetooth LE, which is why I wanted to know. Oh well, I might have to buy a new Mac...

prettyboy81

Anybody downloading iOS8 Beta for iPhone or iPad? Will do so later cannot in work.

culabula

prettyboy81 wrote: »

Anybody downloading iOS8 Beta for iPhone or iPad? Will do so later cannot in work.

I did for iPhone 5s and am in a mess right now as, although it worked, subsequent restart provoked activation again, which has failed throughout the night.

Going home now to see if I can sort it connected to iTunes.

PS: For those like myself who are interested, iOS 8 supports the Irish language as a system language, though far from fully implemented yet.

Heisenberg1

prettyboy81 wrote: »

Anybody downloading iOS8 Beta for iPhone or iPad? Will do so later cannot in work.

Where can you download iOS8 beta?

Graham

Running on an iPad mini now, no problems so far but unless you're a developer don't expect there to be too much of a difference over iOS 7.

Graham

Heisenberg1 wrote: »

Where can you download iOS8 beta?

The Apple developer portal but I wouldn't recommend it unless you're developing Apps for iOS 8, there's really not enough of a difference for end-users to make it worth the risk.

Eire Go Brach

dloob wrote: »

I'm pretty pleased with the per app battery usage and third party keyboards.
They were the only two things I missed from android.

Here is what it looks like should be useful. Although works different than I thought.

Dades

I jumped in with both feet last year and downloaded the first beta of iOS 7. Not this time.

Maybe later in the summer when the crashy bugs have been ironed out.

FourFourRED

Dades wrote: »

I jumped in with both feet last year and downloaded the first beta of iOS 7. Not this time.

Maybe later in the summer when the crashy bugs have been ironed out.

Yeah same here. I think 7 was just such a dramatic change we all wanted to try it out so bad. Just not the same enthusiasm coming for 8 but it will be a decent upgrade come September. I'm more looking forward to trying out Yosemite!

patmac

Aodhagan wrote: »

Guess this is the R.I.P. to iPhone 4 in terms of iOS support.

So does this mean that I wont be able to get any of these new features on my 4, it's a bit mean as I only have the phone over a year and wont be able to afford the €600 or whatever it will cost for the 6, I am sure a lot of people are in the same situation. Might have to go back to android for better value on my next upgrade.

MillField

patmac wrote: »

So does this mean that I wont be able to get any of these new features on my 4, it's a bit mean as I only have the phone over a year and wont be able to afford the €600 or whatever it will cost for the 6, I am sure a lot of people are in the same situation. Might have to go back to android for better value on my next upgrade.

iPhone 4 will be stuck on iOS 7.1 from here on. To be fair, the phone is 4 years old and already struggles to run iOS 7.

SpaceTime

The big news there is definitely the developer tools. Apple has really kept developers on-board in a big way for iOS.

I always hear developers complaining about the Android SDK compared to what's available for iOS. Apple's whole approach is keeping the development community on board and keeping the iOS app store stocked with a really good range of apps. Android has a huge volume of phones out there but the fragmentation (umpteen different versions of Android running and umpteen different phone specs) doesn't really make development and prototyping that easy and the development tools aren't as good as they could be.

Looks like OS X will also become a little easier to develop apps for and while it's a really minor one, I like the ability to switch the OS to a dark theme. Only the Apple pro apps did that in the past and it was quite jarring to go from say Final Cut to Finder and the menus suddenly go from dark grey to quite bright. I know it sounds silly, but if you're editing video or working with colour balances it really matters a lot as it causes your eye to adjust to the new colour scheme.

Windows by default does stuff like that too which is kind of annoying. At least Apple are thinking about photographers, designers, image and video editors.

I'd suspect they're keeping their hardware launch for autumn in the run up to Christmas major sales push. Although, I think without a larger format phone, Apple are shooting themselves in the foot badly. There's no way I'd buy an iPhone 5S at the size of screen it has. It's just way too small!

patmac

colmulhall wrote: »

iPhone 4 will be stuck on iOS 7.1 from here on. To be fair, the phone is 4 years old and already struggles to run iOS 7.

4 years wow, it's ancient :rolleyes: I suppose the Ipad 2 will not support ios 8 either.

FourFourRED

patmac wrote: »

4 years wow, it's ancient :rolleyes: I suppose the Ipad 2 will not support ios 8 either.

It does run iOS 8 but that will be the last it runs. What Android phone released in 2010 is running the latest version?

Dades

TBH, I was kinda surprised my iPad 3 was getting supported.

Heisenberg1

patmac wrote: »

So does this mean that I wont be able to get any of these new features on my 4, it's a bit mean as I only have the phone over a year and wont be able to afford the €600 or whatever it will cost for the 6, I am sure a lot of people are in the same situation. Might have to go back to android for better value on my next upgrade.

Do older android phones support the latest OS?

SpaceTime

Heisenberg1 wrote: »

Do older android phones support the latest OS?

That would depend on the spec of the phone. Some do, some don't.

Graham

Aodhagan wrote: »

It does run iOS 8 but that will be the last it runs. What Android phone released in 2010 is running the latest version?

A good proportion of the newest Android phones don't run the current version never mind the ones released in 2010.

MillField

Aodhagan wrote: »

It does run iOS 8 but that will be the last it runs. What Android phone released in 2010 is running the latest version?

Nope. Only the iPhone 4S and iPad 3 (and newer) will run iOS 8. Check apples website. I think it's at the bottom of the iOS 8 preview page. I'm only stating fact. I recently sold my iPhone 4 and it was ridiculously slow running a watered down version of iOS 7. We'd all like our phones to last forever but the hardware just can keep up with the software. I've used plenty of android phones and I can tell you that there's very few that will run the newest software smoothly based on 4 year old hardware.

kaerobe

colmulhall wrote: »

Nope. Only the iPhone 4S and iPad 3 (and newer) will run iOS 8. Check apples website. I think it's at the bottom of the iOS 8 preview page. I'm only stating fact. I recently sold my iPhone 4 and it was ridiculously slow running a watered down version of iOS 7. We'd all like our phones to last forever but the hardware just can keep up with the software. I've used plenty of android phones and I can tell you that there's very few that will run the newest software smoothly based on 4 year old hardware.

Eh stating fact? Check the iOS8 page again. Supporting the following:

iPad 2
iPad with
Retina display
iPad Air
iPad mini
iPad mini with
Retina display

MillField

patmac wrote: »

4 years wow, it's ancient :rolleyes: I suppose the Ipad 2 will not support ios 8 either.

4 years is a long time in tech

guil

I doubt there is any android phone that was released in 2010 and it runs the latest stock version of android.

MillField

kaerobe wrote: »

Eh stating fact? Check the iOS8 page again. Supporting the following:

iPad 2
iPad with
Retina display
iPad Air
iPad mini
iPad mini with
Retina display

*I missed iPad 2 sorry*

Splinter

nice to see this keynote, long since swapped away from iOS but still very interesting. Been reading the Swift handbook, does anyone know if it'll be possible to code in swift on windows? or do i need to use xcode and ios?

thanks