Season 4 Episode 1 "Two Swords" : HAVE read the books

lynski

Kunkka wrote: »

If that was the case in the books why did Ned's father & brother march to Kingslanding to demand her back which lead to their gruesome death? If they knew she went willingly they wouldn't have gone about it that way?

I always read it that she went not entirely willingly but stayed willingly, perhaps she just ran off to get away from the arranged marriage, and robert convinced himself that he loved her over time and then the rest of the myth. Kidnapping her makes no sense at all.
She was young, Sensa's age, younger then Ned/Robert anyway, and Rhaegar and Ellia were probably not the love match the Martells want to believe either, just like Margorie 'loves' Jeoffery or Sensa convinced herself she did before he turned on her.
Robert was a handsome warrior, but a known philanderer even as a young man with at least one bastard before the wedding was to happen, a beautiful targaryen prince turns her head and away she went, like Sensa, half a fool to the romantic tales of knights rescuing maidens from horrible fates.
High-born bastards happen and are acknowledged, again Robert has one Stannis is raising, so maybe the father and brother went to prevent that.
Over time the stories take on a life of their own, particularly as they legitimise a crown. Ned never had any truck with the Robert 'love' of his sister, and he never speaks against Rhaegar.
I am in the R+L=J camp though.

Sleepy

lynski wrote: »

Robert was a handsome warrior, but a known philanderer even as a young man with at least one bastard before the wedding was to happen, a beautiful targaren prince turns her head and away she went, like Sensa, half a fool to the romantic tales of knights rescuing maidens from horrible fates.

Everything we've heard about Rhaegar would suggest he was something of the virtuous, noble Knight too... Once you get past the bigamy aspect (which has plenty of precedence in the Targaryen family), he was pretty much love's young dream of a knight from everything we've heard about him to-date.

Liam O

lynski wrote: »

I always read it that she went not entirely willingly but stayed willingly, perhaps she just ran off to get away from the arranged marriage, and robert convinced himself that he loved her over time and then the rest of the myth. Kidnapping her makes no sense at all.
She was young, Sensa's age, younger then Ned/Robert anyway, and Rhaegar and Ellia were probably not the love match the Martells want to believe either, just like Margorie 'loves' Jeoffery or Sensa convinced herself she did before he turned on her.
Robert was a handsome warrior, but a known philanderer even as a young man with at least one bastard before the wedding was to happen, a beautiful targaren prince turns her head and away she went, like Sensa, half a fool to the romantic tales of knights rescuing maidens from horrible fates.
High-born bastards happen and are acknowledged, again Robert has one Stannis is raising, so maybe the father and brother went to prevent that.
Over time the stories take on a life of their own, particularly as they legitimise a crown. Ned never had any truck with the Robert 'love' of his sister, and he never speaks against Rhaegar.
I am in the R+L=J camp though.

Is it auto correct making you misspell loads of characters names? Hard to take what you are saying seriously in a book readers thread doing that tbh...

username123

Sleepy wrote: »

Everything we've heard about Rhaegar would suggest he was something of the virtuous, noble Knight too... Once you get past the bigamy aspect (which has plenty of precedence in the Targaryen family), he was pretty much love's young dream of a knight from everything we've heard about him to-date.

And not only that but his marriage to Elia was arranged too so perhaps he was just a victim of duty as well.

lynski

Liam O wrote: »

Is it auto correct making you misspell loads of characters names? Hard to take what you are saying seriously in a book readers thread doing that tbh...

ah sorry, Sansa and Elia then. HTH

poundapunnet

Sophie Turner is amazing this season so far. I've given up on the TV show as being faithful to ASOIAF but she is really doing a lot of work that the reader had to do in the books to relate to a character.

Not to take away from the characters of Tyrion, Arya, Jaime and the Hound but they were always good roles, the actors have brought a lot too make them extra good but they had a good foundation. Sansa was a difficult character from the books, even in her POV chapters, but I feel like you really get her better from the show. She's the anti-Kit Harington. Have to see how things go once she leaves KL but I love her right now