Man arrested in Derry under anti-terrorism legislation - for using Irish.

Iwasfrozen

end of the road wrote: »

yes they do, a name change means nothing, the RUC will sease to exist either when the last person who joined the force before the name change retires, or the reunification of ireland takes place

Oldthinkers unbellyfeel ingsoc, eh comrade?

What nonsense. The RUC does not exist anymore. The status of former members does not change that.

I'm not going to try and defend the PSNI to you because I think you're the sort of person who wants to hate them but the PSNI has been positively discriminating towards recruiting Catholics for years.

bumper234

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Oldthinkers unbellyfeel ingsoc, eh comrade?

What nonsense. The RUC does not exist anymore. The status of former members does not change that.

I'm not going to try and defend the PSNI to you because I think you're the sort of person who wants to hate them but the PSNI has been positively discriminating towards recruiting Catholics for years.

EOTR doesn't want to hate EOTR just wants a reaction

twowheelsgood

tomwaterford wrote: »

this is the backwards nonsense that had GAA members being targeted through the troubles in NI...deos anyone believe that the GAA is a republican only organisation

How is stating facts backwards nonsense? Irish had come to be identified as a facet of nationalist Irish culture just as the GAA is (always was I suppose). That is simply the way it is. I don’t think that pretending that the GAA was a cross-community organisation would have done anything to stop the harassment you talk about.

tomwaterford wrote: »

sure following your logic irish soccer fans at world cup...must be a whole wing of republicanism on their own

Again, no point is denying reality; the tricolour is an icon of republicanism. Though not exclusively so, you do see it at soccer matches, as an identifier of Irishness though rather than republicanism.

GaelMise wrote: »

Is the RSF member hoping to use the language as a political tool, quite possibly, but personally I see that as preferabla to the use of bombs.

How RSF prosecute their agenda is not the point. Nor is the question as to who is to blame for the politicisation of the Irish language. Your choice is whether you will give your support only to those who are sincere in their desire to promote Irish or to all, including those who are exploiting the language for political purposes. I still think you will lose more that you gain by supporting the latter.

sopretty

twowheelsgood wrote: »

Again, no point is denying reality; the tricolour is an icon of republicanism.

Eh, no. It's our national flag.

anncoates

end of the road wrote: »

rights don't have to be given, their an entitlement, he has the right as an irish citizen to speak irish on the island of ireland and the RUC will just have to force their officers to learn the language

Bringing your uniquely tolerant slant on Irish cultural affairs to other threads, I see.

twowheelsgood

sopretty wrote: »

Eh, no. It's our national flag.

Yes it is our national flag. And it is also a icon of republicanism.

Are you seriously disputing that? That would be nearly as daft as our friend who thinks the RUC are still with us! :pac:

tomwaterford

twowheelsgood wrote: »

Yes it is our national flag. And it is also a icon of republicanism.

Are you seriously disputing that? That would be nearly as daft as our friend who thinks the RUC are still with us! :pac:

emm its national flag first and foremost!!

you do know what it stands for

green-white-orange
*hint white is peace and its between which two coulers???

Iwasfrozen

tomwaterford wrote: »

emm its national flag first and foremost!!

you do know what it stands for

green-white-orange
*hint white is peace and its between which two coulers???

Yep and the swatika is has no connections other than being in Indian symbol for strength.

Edit: In B4 Godwin, seriously guys that one's old now.

tomwaterford

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Yep and the swatika is has no connections other than being in Indian symbol for strength. No siree.

are you honestly comparing tri-couler to swastika???:pac:

Iwasfrozen

tomwaterford wrote: »

are you honestly comparing tri-couler to swastika???:pac:

Yes. I'm showing you how symbols can be hijacked.

tomwaterford

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Yes. I'm showing you how symbols can be hijacked.

o right....bit extreme no???:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

so your telling me that when you see paddys day parade...you jus see loads of militant republicans:pac::pac


this is following your logic that swastika = tricoler

twowheelsgood

tomwaterford wrote: »

emm its national flag first and foremost!!

Actually republicans insists that they had it first and the feckin' free staters robbed it from them.

But who is the chicken and who is the egg matters not. It is used by both. And remember too that many republicans did not (maybe do not?) recognize the state (26 counties etc.) so they were hardly waving the fleg of a state that they didn't recognize?

Iwasfrozen

tomwaterford wrote: »

o right....bit extreme no???:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

so your telling me that when you see paddys day parade...you jus see loads of militant republicans:pac::pac

Why is it extreme?

No but when I see republicans terrorists flying the flag at one of their little rallys I feel ashamed that these people have, with their actions, stained the reputation of the flag and by extent the reputation of our country with our northern neighbours.

tomwaterford wrote: »

this is following your logic that swastika = tricoler

I didn't say that.

http://heritageaction.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Strawman.jpg

end of the road

bumper234 wrote: »

EOTR doesn't want to hate EOTR just wants a reaction

no, i couldn't care about "reactions"

end of the road

twowheelsgood wrote: »

our friend who thinks the RUC are still with us!

they are, a name change doesn't change that, they will be no more once the reunification of ireland takes place and the whole island is ruled and united under the government of dublin and policed by the only legitimate police force on the ireland the guarda

bumper234

end of the road wrote: »

they are, a name change doesn't change that, they will be no more once the reunification of ireland takes place and the whole island is ruled and united under the government of dublin and policed by the only legitimate police force on the ireland the guarda

So a name change does not make them legitimate enough for you? You know the Garda were originally called the Royal Irish Constabulary right? Why not call them by their original name too? :rolleyes:

sopretty

bumper234 wrote: »

So a name change does not make them legitimate enough for you? You know the Garda were originally called the Royal Irish Constabulary right? Why not call them by their original name too? :rolleyes:

Some people call them a 'not so nice' name, for just that reason.

end of the road

bumper234 wrote: »

So a name change does not make them legitimate enough for you? You know the Garda were originally called the Royal Irish Constabulary right? Why not call them by their original name too? :rolleyes:

because the guarda were formed as part of an independant ireland ruled in the irish capital dublin

sopretty

end of the road wrote: »

because the guarda were formed as part of an independant ireland ruled in the irish capital dublin

Didn't think that would be your cup of tea? Lol. Most Republicans don't recognise AGS as a legitimate law enforcement agency.

GaelMise

sopretty wrote: »

Most Republicans don't recognise AGS as a legitimate law enforcement agency.

What are you on about, only a tiny minority of extremeist republicens don't recognise the Gardaí as a legitimate police force.

sopretty

GaelMise wrote: »

What are you on about, only a tiny minority of extremeist republicens don't recognise the Gardaí as a legitimate police force.

'End of the road' strikes me as being just such a client. :cool:

end of the road

sopretty wrote: »

Didn't think that would be your cup of tea? Lol. Most Republicans don't recognise AGS as a legitimate law enforcement agency.

because they are the force of the "free state" according to some republicans, however as i don't recognize partition and believe the partition of ireland is illegitimate, i don't recognize the legitimacy of the different authorities of NI, and believe that the authorities of the 26 counties are the only legitimate authorities of the 32 counties as a whole, so therefore i recognize AGS as the only legitimate police force of the 32 county republic

sopretty

end of the road wrote: »

because they are the force of the "free state" according to some republicans, however as i don't recognize partition and believe the partition of ireland is illegitimate, i don't recognize the legitimacy of the different authorities of NI, and believe that the authorities of the 26 counties are the only legitimate authorities of the 32 counties as a whole, so therefore i recognize AGS as the only legitimate police force of the 32 county republic

Ah, you're just a part time Republican so!

annascott

OP quotes "what would have happened if he had been Romanian or Chinese?"

the answer is probably nothing as it would be taken into consideration that the person could not speak English. Someone speaking Gaelic however, is doing so in defiance to provoke. He could speak English .

sopretty

annascott wrote: »

Someone speaking Gaelic however, is doing so in defiance to provoke. He could speak English .

The sheer BOULDNESS OF HIM!!!

dalta5billion

Could this be compared to a person refusing to let a police officer search one's car, even if you have nothing illegal in it? "I do not consent" and "Am I free to go" people etc.

I.e. using one's rights?

I know a few people who use their address in Irish, so there should have been no problem in him writing it down for the PSNI officer - sounds to me like he was trying to be obstructive.

end of the road

annascott wrote: »

Someone speaking Gaelic however, is doing so in defiance to provoke.

wrong

annascott wrote: »

He could speak English .

no he couldn't

anncoates

sopretty wrote: »

Didn't think that would be your cup of tea? Lol. Most Republicans don't recognise AGS as a legitimate law enforcement agency.

How can you respect any law enforcement agency that's unarmed and doesn't kneecap teenage miscreants?

Christy42

I am not really sure how the police thought this was going to look when it got into the papers. You would have figured some of them would realise this would look bad. That said I figure for official business you should have to use whatever version of your name is written on your passport (or birthcert barring legally changing your name). If this name is in Irish then he replied correctly. It is no different from having a Polish or French name.

Anything else is misleading to the police if they wanted to look up whatever records they have for you as you could be in as a different name. The PSNI shouldn't have to learn the what names link with what. Even if his passport has his name in English I don't think this should have gotten to court though.

Never got the fascination with Irish versions of names. I figure you are one or the other, your name is Padraig or Patrick. I don't mind which but pick one.

bumper234

annascott wrote: »

OP quotes "what would have happened if he had been Romanian or Chinese?"

the answer is probably nothing as it would be taken into consideration that the person could not speak English. Someone speaking Gaelic however, is doing so in defiance to provoke. He could speak English .

end of the road wrote: »

wrong

no he couldn't

He seemed to do just fine when he was the main speaker in Bundoran in 2012.

http://admin2.fr.yuku.com/reply/79248#.U0Uh2FVdXHU

Oration by Diarmuid MacDubhghlais at the Annual Hunger Strike Commemoration in Bundoran, Co Donegal August 25, 2012.

A chairde, comraidithe is a comh-phoblachtainigh,

Is mór an ónóir dum a beith anseo ar a ócáid seo. Támid anseo cun cuimhniú ar na n-daoine a fuair bás ar na stailc ocrais.

It is indeed a great honor to be addressing this, the 31st Annual Hunger Strike commemoration here in Bundoran.

tomwaterford

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Why is it extreme?

No but when I see republicans terrorists flying the flag at one of their little rallys I feel ashamed that these people have, with their actions, stained the reputation of the flag and by extent the reputation of our country with our northern neighbours.

so its republicans you have bother with??
its a pity...but somewhat understandable:(

but why be openly hostile or suspicious to people who speak irish??

and even to people who are republicans and had no part in the troubles...they are long over....:)

shruikan2553

end of the road wrote: »

wrong

no he couldn't

He couldnt? When did he lose the ability to speak english?

Skylinehead

shruikan2553 wrote: »

He couldnt? When did he lose the ability to speak english?

EOTR likes to disagree for no reason.

That username is already in use.

Speaking Irish charge withdrawn

The charge against a man who gave his details to police in Irish has been withdrawn

At a hearing in Derry Magistrate’s Court a representative for the PPS made an application to withdraw the charges.

Speaking outside the court, Mr Douglas said the decision to charge him was a ‘huge waste of money’.

Mr Douglas added if he had given his details to the police in any other language he wouldn’t have been arrested.

http://www.derryjournal.com/news/local-news/speaking-irish-charge-withdrawn-1-6090771

Jawgap

A reasonable outcome. It shows the system works.

Incidentally, he didn't seem to have a problem speaking to the media in Engish;)