Are we in 1930's Mississippi?

skafish

wendell borton wrote: »

The history books here were written by Nazis or at least published by them.

Care to back up this epic line of Bullshyt?

skafish

efb wrote: »

And we all have a right to housing too

Where do you get this notion?
If travelers want to be treated the same as the rest of society, then they must activley participate in that society. Not just take, but give too. The same as the vast majority of us.

Femme_Fatale

skafish wrote: »

Care to back up this epic line of Bullshyt?

An exaggeration but in reference to this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/nazi-background-of-prominent-irish-publisher-exposed-430713.html

Femme_Fatale

Gatling wrote: »

I highly recommend you do some research before further comments

Nazis were treated like celebrities here?

DildoFaggins

All in favour of Sharia Law for travellers?

A Scoundrel

I tried defending the travellers here before in a previous incarnation. Utterly pointless exercise. I don't know who is going to save the travellers from Ireland, but it may not be within my lifetime, or at least for many years to come.

There is an unbelievable, grotesque absence of shame in the hate, hate, hate that is directed at our own people, the travellers.

skafish

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

An exaggeration but in reference to this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/nazi-background-of-prominent-irish-publisher-exposed-430713.html

Most of the allegations regarding Folens Nazism were later discredited; besides which pope Benedict was a member of the Hitler Youth and served in the Wehrmacht. Did that make him a Nazi?
Additionally, AFIK Folens himself did not write any history books, but even if he did, it would represent a very small propotrion of the totality of history books written and/or published in Ireland.

Tipsy McSwagger

Went to my nephews christening today and there was 3 others doing it too which is the norm these days. Anyway one of them was a traveller baby and the priest had to stop the service and ask a bunch of them standing near the doors to sit down or leave because they were talking too loudly. Of course they just ignored him.

Femme_Fatale

A Scoundrel wrote: »

I tried defending the travellers here before in a previous incarnation. Utterly pointless exercise. I don't know who is going to save the travellers from Ireland, but it may not be within my lifetime, or at least for many years to come. There is an unbelievable, grotesque absence of shame in the hate, hate, hate that is directed at our own people.

Why in the name of Jesus are you ignoring all the valid points made by people on this thread who are not hate-filled they are only relaying things that really happen?
"Save the travellers from Ireland"? Wtf? Will you admit any wrongdoings within traveller culture itself?

A Scoundrel

A Scoundrel wrote: »

I tried defending the travellers here before in a previous incarnation. Utterly pointless exercise. I don't know who is going to save the travellers from Ireland, but it may not be within my lifetime, or at least for many years to come.

There is an unbelievable, grotesque absence of shame in the hate, hate, hate that is directed at our own people, the travellers.

Must.Bite.Tongue .

pablo128

DildoFaggins wrote: »

All in favour of Sharia Law for travellers?

Plain old Irish law would be just fine, if they would make some sort of passing effort to abide by it.

A Scoundrel

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Why in the name of Jesus are you ignoring all the valid points made by people on this thread who are not hate-filled they are only relaying things that really happen?
"Save the travellers from Ireland"? Wtf? Will you admit any wrongdoings within traveller culture itself?

Admit? I recognize all the problems in traveller culture - high incidence of domestic violence, illiteracy, unemployment, and tax evasion.

But when people rightfully acknowledge these issues, they ignore other topics that place these problems in their proper context-infant mortality, low life expectancy, and mental health.

For example, 1 in 10 adult traveller funerals is a suicide.

So yes, I acknowledge the wrong done by travellers. But in the context of life and death, it pales in comparison to the inhumanity we stand idly by and watch unfolding - or rather, turn a face to the wall, and rant in ignorance.

Mary Harneys Porn Stash

Ireland has not left the 1930's.

pablo128

A Scoundrel wrote: »

Admit? I recognize all the problems in traveller culture - high incidence of domestic violence, illiteracy, unemployment, and tax evasion.

But when people rightfully acknowledge these issues, they ignore other topics that place these problems in their proper context-infant mortality, low life expectancy, and mental health.

For example, 1 in 10 adult traveller funerals is a suicide.

So yes, I acknowledge the wrong done by travellers. But in the context of life and death, it pales in comparison to the inhumanity we stand idly by and watch unfolding - or rather, turn a face to the wall, and rant in ignorance.

In a way they are their own worst enemy. Education? Stay on in school and get a job. Their favourite card(the race one) could be used to get a job. I would have no problem with that. That's the illiteracy and tax evasion covered aswell.

DildoFaggins

pablo128 wrote: »

Plain old Irish law would be just fine, if they would make some sort of passing effort to abide by it.

Which will never happen.

Un Croissant

Mary Harneys Porn Stash wrote: »

Ireland has not left the 1930's.

Jesus, I'm in my 80s??? I've a lot less time left than I thought.

Tipsy McSwagger

Mary Harneys Porn Stash wrote: »

Ireland has not left the 1930's.

We became a republic in 1949 so by golly gosh we did.

A Scoundrel

pablo128 wrote: »

In a way they are their own worst enemy. Education? Stay on in school and get a job. Their favourite card(the race one) could be used to get a job. I would have no problem with that. That's the illiteracy and tax evasion covered aswell.

There's a cycle of poverty that you don't understand ;you're probably not interested in understanding it. It's 01.56, I'm not interested in starting it, I just revert to my original point: there is a grotesque culture of hatred, which wilfully ignores serious, life and death crises in the traveller community.

tomwaterford

A Scoundrel wrote: »

Admit? I recognize all the problems in traveller culture - high incidence of domestic violence, illiteracy, unemployment, and tax evasion.

But when people rightfully acknowledge these issues, they ignore other topics that place these problems in their proper context-infant mortality, low life expectancy, and mental health.

For example, 1 in 10 adult traveller funerals is a suicide.

So yes, I acknowledge the wrong done by travellers. But in the context of life and death, it pales in comparison to the inhumanity we stand idly by and watch unfolding - or rather, turn a face to the wall, and rant in ignorance.

you are missing another two bit of traveller ''culture'' that is feuding...Waterford has been plagued by it the last few years with only serious flare ups reported on!!!

and you missed there massive flaw...criminality/the acceptance or willingness to cover up criminality of community members.....I severly distrust them by the mainly because incidences of interaction with them have been over 80% negative

tomwaterford

Un Croissant wrote: »

Jesus, I'm in my 80s??? I've a lot less time left than I thought.

best not to waste it on boards discussing pros/negatives of travellers :pac:

Joan Burtons Sexy Knickers

Mary Harneys Porn Stash wrote: »

Ireland has not left the 1930's.

Still plenty of witchhunts going on judging by this forum.

A Scoundrel

tomwaterford wrote: »

you are missing another two bit of traveller ''culture'' that is feuding...Waterford has been plagued by it the last few years with only serious flare ups reported on!!!

and you missed there massive flaw...criminality/the acceptance or willingness to cover up criminality of family members.....

Yep, two massive problems. No argument there. I've experienced theft by travellers, I know it is rife.

But I'm sorry, having unwanted gates stolen just doesn't compare to people losing their husbands and sons to suicide and self harm at the rate travellers do (7 times more than you or I are likely to experience).

I'm not saying we ignore failures in traveller 'culture', I'm saying that it all runs superficial to the major health catastrophe that is underway in the traveller community.

They are a people frozen somewhere in mid 20th century Ireland. Their young people, in particular, are not in a position to suddenly take responsibility for that and bring themselves up to Dublin South East 2014 standards. Like I said, I'm not expecting anyone to get real, I've almost totally given up on this issue myself.

Stavros Murphy

Poverty me hole. It's selective poverty. Have a spin through Rathkeale, come back about the poverty.

shruikan2553

A Scoundrel wrote: »

There's a cycle of poverty that you don't understand ;you're probably not interested in understanding it. It's 01.56, I'm not interested in starting it, I just revert to my original point: there is a grotesque culture of hatred, which wilfully ignores serious, life and death crises in the traveller community.

A traveler is entitled to attend college as much as any other person. If their "culture" is one which doesnt value education then we have done what we can. They aren't willing to accept the offer so they dont get my pity. Their attitude towards women is terrible too so if you are female your life is popping out as many children as possible.

In the vast majority of topics of debate that arise on boards I'm on the liberal "PC pink lefite" side - I'm entirely in favour of gay marriage, entirely pro-choice, against racism directed towards immigrants etc.

However, I must confess that when it comes to travellers I take a slightly different view. I am under no doubt whatsoever that there are decent traveller folk out there, and it does pain me to tar them all with the same brush, but where I'm from, the nearest town (the largest town in North Cork) has had many problems with Traveller families causing problems, and that has unfortunately affected my view of the community as a whole. I live in England at the moment, and when my parents came to visit, they specifically mentioned as part of the "local news" the damage that traveller families caused in a local feud. And my mother went out of her way to mention that a specific traveller (a neighbour of my cousin's partner) was related to those who caused trouble and yet was perfectly well adjusted and harmless, so I know it's not just blind prejudice on the part of my parents; if they were ever blatantly racist I assure you I would take issue with them! Sadly, I do hear a disproportionate number of crime stories involving travellers, and it has coloured my view of them.

pablo128

A Scoundrel wrote: »

There's a cycle of poverty that you don't understand ;you're probably not interested in understanding it. It's 01.56, I'm not interested in starting it, I just revert to my original point: there is a grotesque culture of hatred, which wilfully ignores serious, life and death crises in the traveller community.

My father had an accident over 30 years ago. As a result he was never able to work again. 6 children, early 80's, ffs I remember having to wear a pair of red plastic sandals to school as a 12 yr old because the folks couldn't afford to buy me shoes. Somehow, the folks managed to feed us and make sure we all got the leaving cert. Yes, it's a struggle for them, just like anyone else on the dole. You can only lead a horse to water. You can't make him drink it.

tomwaterford

A Scoundrel wrote: »

Yep, two massive problems. No argument there. I've experienced theft by travellers, I know it is rife.

But I'm sorry, having unwanted gates stolen just doesn't compare to people losing their husbands and sons at the rate travellers do (7 times more than you or I are likely to experience).

I'm not saying we ignore failures in traveller 'culture', I'm saying that it all runs superficial to the major health catastrophe that is underway in the traveller community.

They are a people frozen somewhere in mid 20th century Ireland. Their young people, in particular, are not in a position to suddenly take responsibility for that and bring themselves up to Dublin South East 2014 standards. Like I said, I'm not expecting anyone to get real, I've almost totally given up on this issue myself.

stop criminality and feuding/shooting trying to kill each other would be a start:rolleyes:..
it is up to the parents of children born now to stop the educational dropouts...

Femme_Fatale

A Scoundrel wrote: »

having unwanted gates stolen just doesn't compare to people losing their husbands and sons to suicide and self harm at the rate travellers do (7 times more than you or I are likely to experience).

I'm not saying we ignore failures in traveller 'culture', I'm saying that it all runs superficial to the major health catastrophe that is underway in the traveller community.

They are a people frozen somewhere in mid 20th century Ireland. Their young people, in particular, are not in a position to suddenly take responsibility for that and bring themselves up to Dublin South East 2014 standards. Like I said, I'm not expecting anyone to get real, I've almost totally given up on this issue myself.

Nobody's saying that's required in fairness - bit of a leap. We folks outside of south east Dublin are doing all right too!
The problem is that if you're offered an olive branch, take it. But many choose not to, e.g. education (as I know I already said) the lack of which is at the root of so much of these problems.

garp

Muise... wrote: »

You post a histrionic comment, yet I have to do some research? :pac:

I will help you out.
One word on google search.
Pogrom.. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom

add in a city
Limerick Pogrom... >>> http://irishecho.com/2011/02/98-years-ago-the-limerick-pogrom-2/

Job done..

Un Croissant

'Ah sure, rob me gates, why don't ya? Sure aren't ya seven times more likely to suffer a loss by suicide'

Okay then. For you its unwanted gates. For others its a car/dog/tv/tools etc.