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    #362
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    efb wrote: »
    This is awful NIMBYism from the Cllr.
    Point 3 smacks of racism
    Would you live next door to travellers?


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    #363
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Any figures relating to the ratio of Traveller children taken into care per capita:Non Traveller children? I'd wager the Social Workers don't move as quickly there. Why? Because most of them are left wing pinkos - aloof from reality - who's feet are firmly in the clouds.
    Don't know about that now. Social work is a very difficult job; people might be idealistic when they commence it, but by god it can jade/toughen people.

    It's red tape that prevents them intervening a lot of the time. "Because most of them are left wing pinkos - aloof from reality" isn't much of an argument in fairness.


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    #364
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    end of the road wrote: »
    she should have told them to put up and shut up, removal of services is an issue, travelers unless they actually do something anti-social, aren't

    More councillors like that are needed ,ones who are willing to stand up for the communities there were elected by ,


    People complaining about racism and lack of education on here seriously at least learn what racism actually is
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    #365
    Artful_Badger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Artful_Badger


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    Would you live next door to travellers?

    He's been asked that about 3/4 times. He already does live next door to travellers.


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    #366
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Ah yeah. Salt of the earth ...... badly misunderstood folk ........ need to take their culture into consideration etc.

    These are thugs, criminals that give society and law and order the finger. I guess the Social Workers are the only people that understand this type of behaviour:

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/boxer-nevins-career-in-doubt-after-gang-attack-30159189.html


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    #367
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Who are you talking to?

    Social workers are a lot tougher than many, given what they have to deal with.


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    #368
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Who are you talking to?

    Social workers are a lot tougher than many, given what they have to deal with.

    I'm talking to no one in particular. This is an open forum. My understanding of Social Workers has been coloured by years of knowing quite a few of them in London.
    It's just a different way of looking at things.

    I don't have much time for initiatives or psycho-babble. Get off your butt and do things to change your situation .......... if you want to. Most people do what they want. People who are into education like to get their children educated. People who like money seem to treat it with more respect than the Prodigal Son (and teach their children likewise). People who are ambitious like to realize their ambition.

    You don't need to be a Social Worker to come to that conclusion.
    A few of these people that I knew espoused socialism but really were champagne socialists and would feel more at ease reading The Grauniad, Socialist Worker, New Statesman or The Black Flag.

    Meetings about meetings about meetings - which are high in Social Services depts agendas - are a waste of time and money.

    And please, I hope no one tries to derail this by mentioning Trevelyan or right wing bigotry.

    Now back on topic .........


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    #369
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    People who are into education like to get their children educated. People who like money seem to treat it with more respect than the Prodigal Son (and teach their children likewise). People who are ambitious like to realize their ambition.
    Unfortunately not everyone is raised with those values; that's part of why there are child protection services/social workers. Better that they're in existence than not.


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    #370
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Unfortunately not everyone is raised with those values; that's part of why there are child protection services/social workers. Better that they're in existence than not.

    I understand that Femme_Fatale. But unless you educate the parents ....... . Make it a prerequisite of receiving Social Welfare assistance that they go to classes. No, not academia but on learning emotional and social intelligence. A bit like FAS's week on:week off situation.
    But that may be infringing their Civil Liberties so more running around in circles like headless chickens.

    All politicians have got to be hauled on board. Any that reject this (because they have a preponderance of said parents in their constituency and votes are votes, regarding the truth of the situation) should be asked to publicly come up with a better regimen or STFU. If they argue that this is undemocratic ....... it should be explained that it's far more democratic than fostering their anti-social human behaviour on this segment of society.


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    #371
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Breda Power has a go in yesterday's Daily Heil


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    #372
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/irish-daily-mail-column-on-travellers-criticised-by-equality-authority-1.1754911


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    #373
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    efb wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/irish-daily-mail-column-on-travellers-criticised-by-equality-authority-1.1754911

    Which bit was wide of the mark?


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    #374
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    I'm guessing the sweeping generalisations...


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    #375
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    efb wrote: »
    I'm guessing the sweeping generalisations...

    Generally, about 4 times a year Mullingar Hospital where my wife works gets locked down when a travellers feud spill over into the hospital corridors with weapons being used and my wife getting half pepper sprayed in the cross fire trying to help these people. She was half an hour late collecting the kids from Creche and got a fine we cant afford to pay just now.
    she was there when John Joe Nevin was brought in. His leg wasn't just broken, it was pulped with protruding bone. His other leg is also broken. The hospital got locked down then as well.
    Hows that for a generalisation?


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    #376
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    My understanding, he was in Tullamore hospital. I was there visiting my mother. No lockdown


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    #377
    prizefighter
    Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭prizefighter


    efb wrote: »
    I don't like generalisations

    Is that a generalised dislike of generalisations?!


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    #378
    ProfessorPlum
    Registered Users Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    efb wrote: »
    My understanding, he was in Tullamore hospital. I was there visiting my mother. No lockdown

    Ghost buster must be lying so.








    Actually, he's not. He was brought to Mullingar initially and later transferred to the orthopaedic unit in Tullamore.


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    #379
    Cian92
    Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭Cian92


    efb wrote: »
    My understanding, he was in Tullamore hospital. I was there visiting my mother. No lockdown

    Oh for god sake! Why are you still harping on about this. Maybe 3 or 4 people have agreed with you at most. You should send a CV into Pavee Point. They seem well able to discount peoples valid opinions too by crying "disrimination".

    The vast majority of us want nothing to do with Travelers in our life and less tax payers money spent on them.

    After reading Brenda Powers article I can't find anything incorrect in it. It relates very well to my experience of travelers.


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    #380
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    Look, there are a lot of reasons why many settled people want nothing to do with travellers and most of them are justified. The majority of people have bad experiences with them and that is down to the behaviour of the travellers. I get annoyed when people try to justify anti-social behaviour and animal cruelty in the traveller community as being part of the culture of the travelling community.

    We will never have a truly equal society until travellers are forced to obey the laws of the land like the rest of us do.

    I don't know anyone who justifies animal cruelty or anti social behaviour in the travelling community.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #381
    Padraig Mor
    Registered Users Posts: 9,558 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Social workers are a lot tougher than many, given what they have to deal with.
    Like the pair in this sorry saga, who obeyed a "troubled" teenager's instructions to pull in at a petrol station, and then watched without intervening as he kicked an innocent boy's head 65 times, leaving him with permanent brain damage? Useless ****s....
    efb wrote: »
    Breda Power has a go in yesterday's Daily Heil
    Was anything she said incorrect?


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    #382
    Bio Mech
    Registered Users Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭Bio Mech


    I have had five major experiences with travellers in my life. Four of them were groups that moved into local areas. Every single one was destroyed, burnt out cars, dead dogs, hundreds of nappies, food waste, washing machines, chemical toilet contents all dumped and left.

    The fifth experience was when my father had just been made redundant at the end of the 80s. He needed a car tire but couldn't afford a new one so he went to buy one from a travellers yard. While he was paying for the tire his car was broken into and the few meagre Christmas presents he had in the boot were taken as was the jack, audio tapes, and tools. When he went back to the guy he had just paid for the tire he it was made pretty clear he was no longer welcome.

    5 times bitten 50 times shy.


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    #383
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    bluewolf wrote: »
    I feel bad for a lot of the women and pressure against education
    Actually a lot of the women actually get education. From talking to a few of my friends who teach travellers it seems that traveller men are more reluctant to access education.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #384
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Travellers' Rights? What about Peoples' Rights?
    How many of the PC Brigade would like it if a load of Travellers moved in next to them?

    Lol? Proud PC Brigader here and I would have no problems with them next door.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #385
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    ProfessorPlum wrote: »
    Ghost buster must be lying so.








    Actually, he's not. He was brought to Mullingar initially and later transferred to the orthopaedic unit in Tullamore.

    I never said he was lying. But there was no lockdown in Tullamore


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    #386
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    So should I be judged on all the actions of the settled community???


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    #387
    Bio Mech
    Registered Users Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭Bio Mech


    efb wrote: »
    So should I be judged on all the actions of the settled community???

    Clutching at the same old straws now. If you were bitten by 5 different snakes and then handed a sixth would you give number six the benefit of the doubt or would you learn your lesson?

    That's what people do with groups who share the same culture, traits and behaviour.


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    #388
    lazza14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 265 ✭✭lazza14


    efb wrote: »
    So as usual AH thinks it's perfectly fine to tar all travellers with the one brush....

    Would you like to live next to a settlement ?- yes or no answer please ...


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    #389
    Bio Mech
    Registered Users Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭Bio Mech


    efb wrote: »
    I never said he was lying. But there was no lockdown in Tullamore

    He clearly wasn't talking about Tullamore so your point is not relevant.


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    #390
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    efb wrote: »
    So should I be judged on all the actions of the settled community???

    Nah, you're grand. We'll just judge you based on what you have written here. :)


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    #391
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    efb wrote: »
    So should I be judged on all the actions of the settled community???

    Of course not, judging individual travellers on the actions of others would be bigoted.

    That's different to asking why are disproportionately high levels of social issues in that community tolerated by wider society for fear of appearing racist, and even worse, actually assigned a bogus cultural/ethnic status?


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