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Are we in 1930's Mississippi?

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    #212
    efb
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    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    'Fraid not. I'm just not living in denial in order to be holier-than-thou.

    So what is this based on?


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    #213
    Essien
    Registered Users Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Essien


    Nodin wrote: »
    Good for you. I'd imagine those responsible for the bad experiences have similar excuses with regards to you.

    Yeah, you're right. It's probably down to all the bad **** I've done to them over the years.

    Like the repeated unprovoked assaults, weekly burglaries in their community, beating an elderly man and attempting to roll his body into a river. Kidnapping, assaulting, torturing and effectively crippling a good man before stealing his van all because he gave me a lift home, repeatedly smashing up local businesses etc etc.

    Actually no, that's just the **** those worthless ***** have done to people I know.


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    #214
    [Deleted User]
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    efb wrote: »
    I never said it was, but the Cllr would happily deny them too as preventing social housing was another of her celebrated achievements...

    Planning permission for private housing developments was/is only granted if there is a percentage of the new development allocated to social housing. The Cllr's letter states that the social housing aspect already exceeds what is required for the planning permission and for legislation.

    She was stating a fact.


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    #215
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    efb wrote: »
    So what is this based on?
    It happening lots.

    Good lord, are you just not caring anymore how ridiculous your contrarianism looks? Kids born into grinding poverty and unsanitary conditions and who don't get an education... yeh they're really benefitting from denial like yours.


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    #216
    efb
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    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Planning permission for private housing developments was/is only granted if there is a percentage of the new development allocated to social housing. The Cllr's letter states that the social housing aspect already exceeds what is required for the planning permission and for legislation.

    She was stating a fact.
    She also said that the social housing obligations would be sold on - so the social housing is NOT in place


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    #217
    efb
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    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    It happening lots.

    Good lord, are you just not caring anymore how ridiculous your contrarianism looks? Kids born into grinding poverty and unsanitary conditions and who don't get an education... yeh they're really benefitting from denial like yours.

    I am not the one celebrating them being denied housing that would help take them out of poverty and unsanitary conditions...


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    #218
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Do you think celebrating denial of housing, and relief from those who were afraid of their lives due to the high chance of anti-social behaviour... are the same thing?


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    #219
    comongethappy
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    efb wrote: »
    She also said that the social housing obligations would be sold on - so the social housing is NOT in place

    Still waiting for your solution to traveller overdependence on the state?


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    #220
    efb
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    comongethappy wrote: »
    Still waiting for your solution to traveller overdependence on the state?

    Not celebrating denying them habitable accommodation would be a start


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    #221
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Don't know if this has been posted already:http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-travellers-america-1039464-Aug2013/


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    #222
    efb
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    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Do you think celebrating denial of housing, and relief from those who were afraid of their lives due to the high chance of anti-social behaviour... are the same thing?

    One is fact, the other conjecture


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    #223
    comongethappy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    efb wrote: »
    Not celebrating denying them habitable accommodation would be a start

    Granted.

    However, what's your next step to reducing traveller dependence on the state?


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    #224
    Zed Bank
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    I wonder would the OPs attitude change if they were moving next door to him.


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    #225
    comongethappy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    Zed Bank wrote: »
    I wonder would the OPs attitude change if they were moving next door to him.

    Doubtful.

    A level 10 bleeding heart requires a fanatical commitment to their agenda.


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    #226
    shruikan2553
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    efb wrote: »
    I am not the one celebrating them being denied housing that would help take them out of poverty and unsanitary conditions...

    Giving someone a free house when their group has 80%+ unemployment and 5 children with little education will not take them out of poverty and going by how often the places need to be redone they create the unsanitary conditions themselves.

    If they want to get out of poverty they need education. Leaving school before the LC will not help that.


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    #227
    efb
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    Zed Bank wrote: »
    I wonder would the OPs attitude change if they were moving next door to him.

    They live beside me!!! 100 m away


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    #228
    [Deleted User]
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    efb wrote: »
    She also said that the social housing obligations would be sold on - so the social housing is NOT in place

    On the existing, completed estate, the obligations have been met. The land to be sold has planning for a development and an allowance for social and affordable housing.

    So, they can put their name on the housing list and hope to be housed in the new development once it is built. They will not be discriminated against. They will be subject to the same system as everyone else.


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    #229
    ringadingding
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    Once saw a pikey girl having a shît by the roadside just outside new ross, a pikey dog was eating it as fast as she curled it out.

    We need a laughing but disgusted at the same time smiley


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    #230
    [Deleted User]
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    Zed Bank wrote: »
    I wonder would the OPs attitude change if they were moving next door to him.

    he/she has already said they live next to a halting site. I wonder how close...

    efb, which halting site do you live near


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    #231
    Aidric
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    ringadingding wrote: »
    Once saw a pikey girl having a shît by the roadside just outside new ross, a pikey dog was eating it as fast as she curled it out.

    If only they took the same approach to the rest of their rubbish.


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    #232
    efb
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    Jake1 wrote: »
    he/she has already said they live next to a halting site. I wonder how close...

    efb, which halting site do you live near

    The one by my street


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    #233
    bumper234
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    efb wrote: »
    I am not the one celebrating them being denied housing that would help take them out of poverty and unsanitary conditions...

    A lifestyle that the majority choose to live and many choose to go back to after a few years of living in a house.


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    #234
    comongethappy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    efb wrote: »
    The one by my street

    Which street?

    (Troll senses tingling!)


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    #235
    Renegade Mechanic
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    efb wrote: »
    They live beside me!!! 100 m away

    Living right next to a halting sight isnt really a problem tbf. No one sh*ts where they eat, efb.


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    #236
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    We, the Human Race, were all travellers once. Social evolution brought us where we are today. From crawling out of primeval soup, to the rainforest clearings, to the cave, to a semi-permanent shelter, culminating in the final step to a nice comfortable home. Also called progress - it benefits all mankind. Now if you get a body of people that consistently goes against the grain and wants all that modern society can give it, without having responsibilities to the same society, that line of thinking is skewed. And the PC artists and Social Workers that perpetuate that myth are beyond contempt.


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    #237
    efb
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    comongethappy wrote: »
    Which street?

    (Troll senses tingling!)

    Why should I give personal details out? What does that change?


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    #238
    Zed Bank
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    efb wrote: »
    They live beside me!!! 100 m away

    You're use to the smell I imagine?


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    #239
    [Deleted User]
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    efb wrote: »
    The one by my street

    So why wont you say? Not looking for your address...:rolleyes:

    example, there is a famous one here in Dublin, Dunsink... do you live 100m's from that?


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    #240
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    efb wrote: »
    One is fact, the other conjecture
    I agree - except in the reverse. :)
    Why on earth are you so sure one is fact and the other conjecture?

    I can understand your view being clouded if the halting site near you is a problem-free zone, and the Carrigrohane Road halting sites in Cork are absolutely grand too. But for every positive case like the above, there is at least one negative case unfortunately. It's not a notion people are getting from a vacuum just to be bigoted, it's based on experience.
    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    If they want to get out of poverty they need education. Leaving school before the LC will not help that.
    In many cases, before primary school ends, unfortunately.


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    #241
    comongethappy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    efb wrote: »
    Why should I give personal details out? What does that change?

    A street doesn't identify an individual.

    Might even add some weight to all your 'bleeding-heartery'.


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