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Irish Teen Fears Execution in Egypt

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    #272
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    RobYourBuilder wrote: »
    With Somaia Halawa talking about "the blood that will run tonight"

    The military junta were murdering protesters at that point........
    RobYourBuilder wrote: »
    and that the "victory of Allah will come soon".

    Standard religious talk in that part of the world. The fact remains that the Muslim Brotherhood did win free and fair elections, the military junta did not.

    Still some nice selective and context free quotes there, trying to paint them as being violent, when it was the military junta engaged in violence that point.


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    #273
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Doesnt Matter.... they were well aware of what was going on before they traveled. Possibly better informed than the DoFA as heads of the Irish Islamic Cultural center. All the privileges you have here in Ireland (right to remain silent, speedy trail, jury of your peers, presumption of innocence, a counsel for defence, etc) may not apply in these countries.

    I somehow dont think based on the video evidence that they were over for cricket. They were over to protest, just they didnt get the outcome they wanted. Irish Citizenship (not passports) for the last 20 years has been handed out freely without careful consideration who it was handed out to.
    doesn't matter. they are irish citizens and are entitled to help from the irish state. nothing you say can and will change that. end of

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #274
    denhaagenite
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    wes wrote: »
    The military junta were murdering protesters at that point........



    Standard religious talk in that part of the world. The fact remains that the Muslim Brotherhood did win free and fair elections, the military junta did not.

    Still some nice selective and context free quotes there, trying to paint them as being violent, when it was the military junta engaged in violence that point.

    What about the standard legal system in Egypt??


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    #275
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    My understanding of the Irish passport is that it is from a neutral country and cannot be questioned like a British, American German french or Russian Passport as it a first world country without being a superpower ... something close to the value of a Swiss or Canadian passport. These guys are travelling under the guise of a neutral country to a Warzone to cause civil unrest. Strip them of their passports. Dont say it cant be done because if you lose your passport more than twice the DoFA arent obliged to reissue with one
    no need to strip them. waste of time money and resources for a non existant threat. its britain and america they want. not some irrelevant little island

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #276
    wes
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    denhaagenite wrote: »
    What about the standard legal system in Egypt??

    You mean the one run by an military junta, that illegally removed the democratically elected government? That one? I would say that a legal system run by military junta, should be considered illegitimate. BTW, they also arrested secularists, who also protested at a different time than the Brotherhood, some of whom even supported the junta at the time.


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    #277
    RobYourBuilder
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    end of the road wrote: »
    no need to strip them. waste of time money and resources for a non existant threat. its britain and america they want. not some irrelevant little island

    The Minister for Justice of this "irrelevant little island" seems to think differently.


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    #278
    denhaagenite
    Registered Users Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭denhaagenite


    wes wrote: »
    You mean the one run by an military junta, that illegally removed the democratically elected government? That one? I would say that a legal system run by military junta, should be considered illegitimate. BTW, they also arrested secularists, who also protested at a different time than the Brotherhood, some of whom even supported the junta at the time.

    You were putting their religious chants into context. I'm putting Ibrahim's arrest and now imprisonment into context.


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    #279
    wes
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    denhaagenite wrote: »
    You were putting their religious chants into context. I'm putting Ibrahim's arrest and now imprisonment into context.

    You were? If you were, you were not very clear about your intention.


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    #280
    denhaagenite
    Registered Users Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭denhaagenite


    wes wrote: »
    You were? If you were, you were not very clear about your intention.

    Sorry about that.


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    #281
    reprise
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    RobYourBuilder wrote: »
    Other siblings claimed to be there a month beforehand before deciding to get involved. With Somaia Halawa talking about "the blood that will run tonight" and that the "victory of Allah will come soon".

    I blame Amhrán na bhFiann and possibly Riverdance.


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    #282
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    smurfjed wrote: »
    Can anyone tell me what exactly you want the Irish Embassy to do?

    From the tone of some of the replies here some people are expecting the Rangers to be getting ready to jump out of a plane over Cairo as we speak


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    #283
    BlaasForRafa
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    wes wrote: »
    Still some nice selective and context free quotes there, trying to paint them as being violent, when it was the military junta engaged in violence that point.

    And promptly started trying to change the constitution so that no future elections would be free and fair and that a muslim brotherhood hegemony would be ensured, that's why protests then started against them. Don't try and make out that the MB were some kind of goody-two-shoes who never did anything wrong, they did their own fair share of protestor killing, not to mention organising rape-gangs to intimidate female opposition.


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    #284
    Putinovsky
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    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    And promptly started trying to change the constitution so that no future elections would be free and fair and that a muslim brotherhood hegemony would be ensured, that's why protests then started against them. Don't try and make out that the MB were some kind of goody-two-shoes who never did anything wrong, they did their own fair share of protestor killing, not to mention organising rape-gangs to intimidate female opposition.

    At the time they were seen as a force for good. Stop trying to paint these young Irish teens as being supporters of what the MB became. I've no doubt if they had known what was to come from the MB then they wouldn't have supported them. MB convinced even America that it would be a democratic and fair government.


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    #285
    BlaasForRafa
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    Putinovsky wrote: »
    At the time they were seen as a force for good. Stop trying to paint these young Irish teens as being supporters of what the MB became. I've no doubt if they had known what was to come from the MB then they wouldn't have supported them. MB convinced even America that it would be a democratic and fair government.

    Seen as a force for good? By who, by Islamists and anti-secularists perhaps.

    America was convinced that Maliki was a force for good, that didn't work out too well either did it. I wouldn't necessarily use America being convinced of something as support for an argument.


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    #286
    wexie
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    Putinovsky wrote: »
    At the time they were seen as a force for good. Stop trying to paint these young Irish teens as being supporters of what the MB became. I've no doubt if they had known what was to come from the MB then they wouldn't have supported them. MB convinced even America that it would be a democratic and fair government.

    BULL****!

    There's been talk of putting the MB on several lists of terrorist organisations for years now. Just because they talked nice for a bit doesn't mean jack squat. There was a reason so many western commentators were nervous about the elections.


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    #287
    josip
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    Putinovsky wrote: »
    At the time they were seen as a force for good. Stop trying to paint these young Irish teens as being supporters of what the MB became. I've no doubt if they had known what was to come from the MB then they wouldn't have supported them. MB convinced even America that it would be a democratic and fair government.

    "Even America"? Taliban, Sadam Hussein, IS,...


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    #288
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    Seen as a force for good? By who, by Islamists and anti-secularists perhaps.

    America was convinced that Maliki was a force for good, that didn't work out too well either did it. I wouldn't necessarily use America being convinced of something as support for an argument.

    You make a very salient point. Many Americans are convinced there's aliens in Area51 and Elvis is running a fishing gear shop down in Florida :D


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    #289
    Nodin
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    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    And promptly started trying to change the constitution so that no future elections would be free and fair and that a muslim brotherhood hegemony would be ensured, that's why protests then started against them. Don't try and make out that the MB were some kind of goody-two-shoes who never did anything wrong, they did their own fair share of protestor killing, not to mention organising rape-gangs to intimidate female opposition.

    You've some source for that?


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    #290
    BlaasForRafa
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    wexie wrote: »
    You make a very salient point. Many Americans are convinced there's aliens in Area51 and Elvis is running a fishing gear shop down in Florida :D

    Oh come on everyone knows there's a guy works down the chip shop swears he's Elvis :D


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    #291
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Nodin wrote: »
    You've some source for that?

    How did I know you'd be around to say that? Yes there are plenty of sources, and you know well there are, this is just your usual tactic to defend islamists.


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    #292
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    How did I know you'd be around to say that? .

    Because if it's an argument that Nodin doesn't like then it didn't happen unless it can be linked. If it's an argument he supports then it's common knowledge and surely he shouldn't be hassled to link it, you can just google it.


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    #293
    RobYourBuilder
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    Putinovsky wrote: »
    At the time they were seen as a force for good. Stop trying to paint these young Irish teens as being supporters of what the MB became. I've no doubt if they had known what was to come from the MB then they wouldn't have supported them. MB convinced even America that it would be a democratic and fair government.

    Their dad, the Imam at the Islamic Cultural Centre of Ireland, is heavily linked with the Muslim Brotherhood. Let's not pretend that they were naive, just over to Egypt to check out the pyramids and got caught up in it all. They were leading a rally that tens of thousands attended ffs.


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    #294
    reprise
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    Nodin wrote: »
    You've some source for that?

    You've some source that disproves that?


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    #295
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    RobYourBuilder wrote: »
    Their dad, the Imam at the Islamic Cultural Centre of Ireland, is heavily linked with the Muslim Brotherhood. Let's not pretend that they were naive, just over to Egypt to check out the pyramids and got caught up in it all. They were leading a rally that tens of thousands attends ffs.

    Yes, but you can't prove it. ie. You can't link an article (no matter how obscure) stating that this is true.

    Therefore, it didn't happen and you're wrong :rolleyes:


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    #296
    chatperche
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    wexie wrote:
    Many Americans are convinced there's aliens in Area51 and Elvis is running a fishing gear shop down in Florida 

    Do you have a link for that?


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    #297
    Putinovsky
    Registered Users Posts: 368 ✭✭Putinovsky


    RobYourBuilder wrote: »
    Their dad, the Imam at the Islamic Cultural Centre of Ireland, is heavily linked with the Muslim Brotherhood. Let's not pretend that they were naive, just over to Egypt to check out the pyramids and got caught up in it all. They were leading a rally that tens of thousands attends ffs.


    They've gone to Egypt every single year since they were kids. Why are you so keen to portray them as fanatical islamists? You don't even know them. After reviewing your posting history it seems you certainly have an agenda when it comes to people of differing faiths, colours, nationalities.


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    #298
    RobYourBuilder
    Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    wexie wrote: »
    Yes, but you can't prove it. ie. You can't link an article (no matter how obscure) stating that this is true.

    Therefore, it didn't happen and you're wrong :rolleyes:

    http://markhumphrys.com/clonskeagh.html#halawa

    Loads of info on him there.


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    #299
    reprise
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    chatperche wrote: »
    Do you have a link for that?

    Standards are dropping, Submit your doctoral thesis or nothing happened. Ever.


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    #300
    reprise
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    Putinovsky wrote: »
    They've gone to Egypt every single year since they were kids. Why are you so keen to portray them as fanatical islamists? You don't even know them. After reviewing your posting history it seems you certainly have an agenda when it comes to people of differing faiths, colours, nationalities.

    What agenda does he have?


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    #301
    Knasher
    Registered Users Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭Knasher


    smurfjed wrote: »
    We wouldn't accept the Egyptian government getting involved in the Irish legal system
    Of course we would, we would be violating article 5i of the Vienna Convention on Consular assistance if we tried to stop them.


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