Irish Teen Fears Execution in Egypt

Roger McAllen

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Hang on, You mean that's not videos of what normal people get up to on holiday ?

no

no he's innocent

he didn't do anything

he just went to visit the pyramids

also going on a camel ride stopping to pose for a novelty photograph

the innocent child

he was on family summer holidays

etc...

skooterblue2

Here is a though......
If there is this much crap and the 7 videos that the family had pulled from YouTube.
Then all the information that we had and then all the stuff we are not being shown..... Imagine what the Egyptian Intelligence Service have on him with electronic surveilance (surveilance, Phone Tapping, email hacking, blogging) etc etc...... Then there is Daddys file...... must be a thick as the Mumbai Phone directory and then the files associated Daddys friends. This will be an open and shut case in 10 years, when they finally get to Trial......

ohnonotgmail

Small piece in the Herald tonight about the 2nd anniversary of young ibrahims incarceration. Still peddling the same nonsense about him facing the death penalty. Superb journalism from the herald there.

AlekSmart

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Small piece in the Herald tonight about the 2nd anniversary of young ibrahims incarceration. Still peddling the same nonsense about him facing the death penalty. Superb journalism from the Herald there.

The Irish media are suffering a rare incident of their readership not giving a hoot about the line they are attempting to peddle.

Ibrahim Hawala's "plight" has not captured the Irish public imagination,simply due to the reality of the matter not matching the family's accounts.

He's not facing the Death Penalty,and never has faced it,based upon the charges laid against him.

In addition,the reality of his recieving over 40 visits from Irish Consular Staff does'nt exactly support the narrative of the Sisters either.

The availability of video evidence of the family's speechmaking also laid bare the "caught up on holiday"tale.

The Irish Government involvement is likely to see Ibrahim convicted of some of the charges,accquitted of others and handed down a custodial sentence equal to the amount of time he's been a guest of the Egyptian State so far.

I'd be surprised if he then was'nt bundled into an Irish Embassy vehicle and brought straight to the airport for his flight "Home".

This would provide the necessary Publicity Material for all parties,with the Irish Government perhaps laying on an Air Corps plane for the return journey.

The Dublin "Homecoming" will most likely be the major event,with many speakers and loud huzzah's for the returning hero.

Unless,of course,those damned Egyptians,decide to proffer additional charges in the meantime :eek:

K.Flyer

AlekSmart wrote: »

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I'd be surprised if he then was'nt bundled into an Irish Embassy vehicle and brought straight to the airport for his flight "Home".
[...]

And probably told Never to set foot in Egypt again, followed by a swift kick in the hole.

skooterblue2

K.Flyer wrote: »

And probably told Never to set foot in Egypt again, followed by a swift kick in the hole.

Most likely be stripped of his passport. Probably have to serve the time of the sisters too. Have to remember you are outside the EU and their rules. Try to subvert the states is the worst crime to be caught with.

ohnonotgmail

AlekSmart wrote: »

The Irish media are suffering a rare incident of their readership not giving a hoot about the line they are attempting to peddle.

...

i think you're right. it was a tiny piece on page 2. nothing important is printed on page 2.

AlekSmart

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Most likely be stripped of his passport. Probably have to serve the time of the sisters too. Have to remember you are outside the EU and their rules. Try to subvert the states is the worst crime to be caught with.

Doubt it.

Be under no illusion,but the Irish Government's decision to ignore the strident harpy like calls for aggressive action,and instead pursue the diplomatic route WILL bring results.

The current Egyptian regime,although nowhere near our notions of twee democratic governance,is realistic,and somewhat more accomodating of this sort of stuff than many would care to admit.

Egypto-Irish trade and commerce links form by far and away the most compelling case to get this stuff done & dusted,which is exactly what I suspect will occur.

skooterblue2

AlekSmart wrote: »

Doubt it.

Remember Brian Keenan? He was guilty of something in a similar field.
The Irish Government had no interest in his case either.
If he gets out it gives carte blanc to every little Johnny Jihadist to go out there and come home. Stamp out this hard and fast. If anything little Ibrihim will come back more hardened and more irate.

this is really a matter for the Egyptians

ohnonotgmail

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Remember Brian Keenan? He was guilty of something in a similar field.
The Irish Government had no interest in his case either.
If he gets out it gives carte blanc to every little Johnny Jihadist to go out there and come home. Stamp out this hard and fast. If anything little Ibrihim will come back more hardened and more irate.

this is really a matter for the Egyptians

one might be even tempted to say "this is an islamic matter"

RichardCeann

Interesting article. Perhaps it could go some way as to explain why O'Gorman, of AI and an avid gay rights activist, is campaigning so vigorously for the young Irish holidaymakers release from prison.

A senior Amnesty International official has been found to have private links with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and revolutionary Islamists accused of plotting a coup in an Arab state.

Amnesty’s director of faith and human rights, Yasmin Hussein, stayed overnight at the residence of a Muslim Brotherhood advisor during an official visit to Egypt in direct contravention of Amnesty guidelines.

Her husband was also named as an alleged Islamist in documents relating to a 2013 sedition trial in the United Arab Emirates.

Hussein, who was until recently the charity’s director of international advocacy and among its leading voices at the UN, denies being an Islamist and has said she is “vehemently opposed” to raising money for “any organization that supports terrorism.”

An investigation published by The Times claimed that Hussein, 51, held a private meeting with a Muslim Brotherhood government official during an Amnesty mission to Egypt in 2012.

Full article here: https://www.rt.com/uk/312630-amnesty-international-muslim-brotherhood/

skooterblue2

RichardCeann wrote: »

Interesting article. Perhaps it could go some way as to explain why O'Gorman, of AI and an avid gay rights activist, is campaigning so vigorously for the young Irish holidaymakers release from prison.

Well One reason is the organisation relies completely on donations from supporters. Colm O Gorman on his (€200k+) salary will tell them anything they will believe. He has no intention of getting himoutbut with 70k muslims in Ireland the coffers will be full. who really cares if Lassie doesnt come home. He has his salary Egyptians are going to make up for lost time with Daddy and the sisters.

All the time the coffers fill up

BehindTheScenes

Every time I read about this fella i can't hell but hear 'off with his head!' and then laugh to myself.

RichardCeann

An Irish delegate is heading to Egypt today to discuss the case with the Egyptian authorities.

The head of the Foreign Affairs Committee, Deputy Pat Breen is travelling to Egypt today for a series of meetings to discuss the case of Ibrahim Halawa.

It is now two years since the 19-year-old from Dublin was arrested in Cairo, and his trial date has been delayed several times.

There have been calls for the Irish Government to put more pressure on Egypt to release the teenager.

Deputy Breen said that a diplomatic solution is the best way forward.

"The Government have said that, and have made it quite clear, that quiet, diplomatic progress is the best way to move forward in this case," he said.

"That the advice they're getting from experts, that the advice they've got from similar cases in the past and I believe that this is the way forward as well, and I think it's important that we continue to have bilateral relations with Egypt."

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/irish-officials-depart-for-egypt-to-discuss-halawa-case-691490.html

Minister Flanagan has an article in todays Indo outlining the need for restraint and diplomatic tact in dealing with the case.

My priority is also to do what we can to secure Ibrahim's release. Until this outcome is secured, we continue to care for his welfare while he remains in detention. Significant efforts have been, and continue to be, made in achieving those objectives. These exceptional efforts are being made because he was a minor at the time of his arrest, the mass nature of his trial and the length of time he has spent in detention.

My department is in close contact and continues to work with the Halawa family and I know we are all guided by a powerful conviction to do what we consider to be in Ibrahim's best interest. My own actions have been informed by discussions that both I and officials in my department have had with the Egyptian authorities, and through the information we have received from our international partners with citizens in similar circumstances.

The lengthy delays and the nature of the trial are clearly frustrating to the Halawa family, to their many supporters, and obviously to Ibrahim himself. It is also frustrating for me personally, and for the dedicated team of officials working on this case. But the Irish Government cannot intervene in a foreign judicial process, just as we would not allow a foreign government to interfere in our own. The sensitive nature of the legal proceedings demands that we exercise restraint in our public comment in the interests of our citizen.

That restraint, despite criticism, belies the real and substantial work that my department is quietly doing to lay the groundwork for Ibrahim's release. Consular cases should never become political footballs. It is not by megaphone diplomacy or political grandstanding that Ibrahim will be released - rather by painstaking preparation and appropriate intervention at the right time. Ibrahim's welfare, his prolonged detention, and the nature of the legal proceedings against him have, nonetheless, been repeatedly raised with the Egyptian authorities since his arrest.

Full article here: http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/the-government-is-doing-all-it-can-to-get-ibrahim-halawa-back-to-his-family-but-restraint-is-required-31455754.html

Ash.J.Williams

the hate in here is unreal...you'd swear you are (mostly) calling for his execution

ohnonotgmail

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

the hate in here is unreal...you'd swear you are (mostly) calling for his execution

who has called for his execution?

DeadHand

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

the hate in here is unreal...you'd swear you are (mostly) calling for his execution

Quote one post calling for his execution.

The man is an Islamist with strong ties to a fascist, jihadic organisation. He was caught on video agitating a sectarian mob, that had earlier been burning down Christian homes and temples, in some of the most violent language imaginable.

No-one here has called for his execution but plenty are displaying a healthy cynicism toward this young Islamist, his lying family, an utterly submissive media, the various "useful fool" quangos and the government's reaction which is unprecedented in its fervour.

Ash.J.Williams

DeadHand wrote: »

Quote one post calling for his execution.

The man is an Islamist with strong ties to a fascist, jihadic organisation. He was caught on video agitating a sectarian mob, that had earlier been burning down Christian homes and temples, in some of the most violent language imaginable.

No-one here has called for his execution but plenty are displaying a healthy cynicism toward this young Islamist, his lying family, an utterly submissive media, the various "useful fool" quangos and the government's reaction which is unprecedented in its fervour.

i said "you'd swear you are "mostly" calling for his execution" meaning i get the impression that's what you wish for. Certainly wishing a life of pain on him. Let him out ta f*ck....and if he misbehaves again...do what you like.

ohnonotgmail

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

i said "you'd swear you are "mostly" calling for his execution" meaning i get the impression that's what you wish for. Certainly wishing a life of pain on him. Let him out ta f*ck....and if he misbehaves again...do what you like.

and who said that?

skooterblue2

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

i said "you'd swear you are "mostly" calling for his execution" meaning i get the impression that's what you wish for. Certainly wishing a life of pain on him. Let him out ta f*ck....and if he misbehaves again...do what you like.

In the eyes of the state trying to subvert the civil power or the government by instigating civil unrest and undemocratic means is more serious than rape, murder or drug dealing. It is completely unrealistic for there not to be consequences and repercussions.

RichardCeann

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

i said "you'd swear you are "mostly" calling for his execution" meaning i get the impression that's what you wish for.

A lot of mind readers and clairvoyants on this forum. Nobody called for, or came close to calling for, his execution.

Anyway, Kenny has already stated that he is not facing the DP.

foggy_lad

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

the hate in here is unreal...you'd swear you are (mostly) calling for his execution

A bloody good flogging or birching would do!

I see he has been visited yet again in his new Egyptian home(prison), is there any lengths our government will not stoop to for this facist crim degenerate?

Means Of Escape

K.Flyer wrote: »

And probably told Never to set foot in Egypt again, followed by a swift kick in the hole.

To then appear on Ireland am for a chat the next morning
A new TV show in the autumn "Egyptian Food for Ireland "
A career at the Herald as the papers Egypt correspondent.
The grand Marshall for Paddys day 2016
A secretary appointee to colm o Gorman Amnesty International


Future is bright
Only in Ireland

RichardCeann

Is it normal for TDs to visit imprisoned Irish citizens abroad?

JAILED IRISH TEENAGER Ibrahim Halawa has been visited in an Egyptian prison by the chair of the Oireachtas Foreign Affairs Committee.

The 19-year-old from Tallaght has been held for some 23 months at various prisons in Cairo over his participation in a demonstration at a mosque at the height of the country’s political instability.

Today, Pat Breen visited the Wadi Al-Natrun prison in Cairo for a 90 minute meeting with Halawa.

Deputy Breen said that he found Ibrahim in “reasonable spirits”, despite the serious challenges of his detention over the past two years.

“I found him a young man in reasonable spirits in what are very trying circumstances. On behalf of the committee, I relayed our ongoing interest in his case and the concerns of his family in relation to his health and well-being and that I would bring these concerns to the relevant authorities. Ibrahim was appreciative of my presence and thanked the committee for its ongoing interest in his case.

“I expressed the committee’s continued support to him to ensure his speedy release.”

http://www.thejournal.ie/ibrahim-halawa-egypt-prison-visit-2281553-Aug2015/

Should a TD be interfering in a foreign country's legal process and calling for a prisoners release before the justice system has run its course?

smurfjed

Should a TD be interfering in a foreign country's legal process and calling for a prisoners release before the justice system has run its course?

No....

But they could ask for the process to be hurried up a bit!

K.Flyer

No mention of Torture, Physical or Mental Abuse, Health (heart) concerns, Beatings etc etc etc.
You would think that if these stories put out by his sisters were true then the head of the committee would have highlighted them to the press to raise the awareness of his plight.
But no, nothing, I wonder why :rolleyes:

Means Of Escape

K.Flyer wrote: »

No mention of Torture, Physical or Mental Abuse, Health (heart) concerns, Beatings etc etc etc.
You would think that if these stories put out by his sisters were true then the head of the committee would have highlighted them to the press to raise the awareness of his plight.
But no, nothing, I wonder why :rolleyes:

For it is all fanciful poppycock

RichardCeann

K.Flyer wrote: »

No mention of Torture, Physical or Mental Abuse, Health (heart) concerns, Beatings etc etc etc.
You would think that if these stories put out by his sisters were true then the head of the committee would have highlighted them to the press to raise the awareness of his plight.
But no, nothing, I wonder why :rolleyes:

Don't forget the untreated gunshot wound in his hand and the fact that he was supposedly on hunger strike for months. He is indestructible!

DeadHand

RichardCeann wrote: »

Interesting article. Perhaps it could go some way as to explain why O'Gorman, of AI and an avid gay rights activist, is campaigning so vigorously for the young Irish holidaymakers release from prison.



Full article here: https://www.rt.com/uk/312630-amnesty-international-muslim-brotherhood/

So it seems Amnesty is under the influence of Islamists.

No wonder turkeys like O'Gorman are coming out in favour of Christmas.

skooterblue2

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/kerry-mosque-decision-delayed-while-call-to-prayer-plan-clarified-1.2277767

Anyone going to the opening of the Tralee Mosque?

custard gannet

RichardCeann wrote: »

A lot of mind readers and clairvoyants on this forum. Nobody called for, or came close to calling for, his execution.

Only an Irish government could have one minister claiming they would look into stripping the citizenship of people who fought abroad with ISIS whilst simultaneously trying to secure the release of some scrote caught bang to rights in the middle of an Islamist riot.

RichardCeann

When is his next court case due to be postponed?

K.Flyer

skooterblue2 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/kerry-mosque-decision-delayed-while-call-to-prayer-plan-clarified-1.2277767

Interestingly the ICCI in Clonskeagh Has a call to prayer system, but it is not audible outside of the main building itself.
Inside the building there is a P.A. system with speakers throughout the buildings and for those outside, they can avail of a radio transmission which can be picked up on a special receiver in the home.

darkpagandeath

Good luck getting that through with the early morning call, Insta complaints from people in the area. I highly doubt their Religious tolerance will stretch to stupid o'clock morning call. And call to prayer is what 5 times a day ? And a radio broadcast would that have a licence or be Pirate station ?

KERSPLAT!

MOD

Please don't try to post links to people's personal Facebook pages.

darkpagandeath

FB is personal ?

KERSPLAT!

darkpagandeath wrote: »

FB is personal ?

It's someone's personal page as opposed to a commercial or group page.

If you have an issue with a mod post in future don't take the thread off topic, PM a mod.

K.Flyer

So 100 Egyptian prisoners have been pardoned and released, including the Al Jazeera journalists, but no news about Ibrahim Halawa being released.

Irish Times
Egypt Pardons 100 Prisoners

Egypt’s president Abdel-Fattah El-Sisi has pardoned 100 prisoners, including al-Jazeera journalists Mohamed Fahmy and Baher Mohamed and prominent activists jailed for violating the ban on unlicensed protests.


The pardons, also covering very young, elderly and ailing prisoners, were, in accordance with tradition, issued on the eve of the Muslim feast at the end of the Hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca and Medina, and coincide with Mr Sisi’s appearance at the 70th United Nations General Assembly.

Means Of Escape

K.Flyer wrote: »

So 100 Egyptian prisoners have been pardoned and released, including the Al Jazeera journalists, but no news about Ibrahim Halawa being released.

Irish Times
Egypt Pardons 100 Prisoners

Not on the list as a young and ailing prisoner.
Must be in deeper than we know

smurfjed

PARIS: Egypt agreed Wednesday to buy two Mistral warships which France built for Russia before scrapping the sale over the Ukraine crisis, showing Paris increasingly values Cairo as a stable partner in a chaotic region.
The deal is the second big military contract this year between France and Egypt, although the financial details of the sale were not divulged.
President Francois Hollande and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi “have agreed on the principle and terms and conditions of Egypt’s acquisition of the two Mistral-class vessels,” the French presidency said.
The two warships, which can each carry 16 helicopters, four landing craft and 13 tanks, were ordered by Russia in 2011 in a 1.2-billion-euro ($1.3-billion) deal.

The previous deal was for Rafael fighter jets valued at 5 billion euro. With deals of this magnitude going on, do you think that Ireland will get any support if they call for an economic embargo against Egypt?

darkpagandeath

smurfjed wrote: »

The previous deal was for Rafael fighter jets valued at 5 billion euro. With deals of this magnitude going on, do you think that Ireland will get any support if they call for an economic embargo against Egypt?

Why would be Embargo Egypt dealing with it's citizens ?

KingBrian2

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Why would be Embargo Egypt dealing with it's citizens ?

We don't have a good record trading with Arab countries. We sell them weapons instead of items of substance.

K.Flyer

KingBrian2 wrote: »

We don't have a good record trading with Arab countries. We sell them weapons instead of items of substance.

What weapons do we produce to sell to Arab nations?


A brief breakdown of the value of our exports to Arab nations...


Arab -Irish Chamber of Commerce

July 27th 2015

Irish merchandise exports to the Arab countries surged by 29% to €2.2bn in the twelve months to end May 2015. This represented an overall increase of €491m.

The biggest growth markets were:

Saudi Arabia - up by €274m (43%)
UAE - up by €83m (27%)
Egypt - up by €76m (52%)
Kuwait - up by €44m (68%)

The biggest growth sectors were:

Medical/Pharmaceutical - up by €202m (80%)
Essential oils, flavourings etc - up by €194m (36%)
Agri/Food - up by €57m (15%)
Data processing equipment - up by €57m (37%)

KingBrian2

K.Flyer wrote: »

What weapons do we produce to sell to Arab nations?


A brief breakdown of the value of our exports to Arab nations...


Arab -Irish Chamber of Commerce

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-03-11/europe-stands-up-to-saudi-arabia

Were part of the EU which trades extensively with vile rulers. Ireland does not sell weapons because we don't make weapons that can be sold but we are culpable by refusing to demand sanctions be placed on Saudi Arabia for funding Jihadi organisations.

K.Flyer

What's Saudi Arabia got to do with Egypt and the Halawa case?

KingBrian2

K.Flyer wrote: »

What's Saudi Arabia got to do with Egypt and the Halawa case?

Everything to do with it. We have double standards here. Halawa was participating in civil unrest against the Egyptian gvt. Saudi Arabia is the largest contributor to global jihad in the world. When Bahrain staged an uprising tanks were sent in to crush hospital workers looking for human rights. The gvt of Egypt is being accused of massacring civilians while the promoter of said terrorism is next door. Why must we look the other way when violation of human rights is being committed in Saudi Arabia and other Islamic states?

ohnonotgmail

KingBrian2 wrote: »

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-03-11/europe-stands-up-to-saudi-arabia

Were part of the EU which trades extensively with vile rulers. Ireland does not sell weapons because we don't make weapons that can be sold but we are culpable by refusing to demand sanctions be placed on Saudi Arabia for funding Jihadi organisations.

So we dont sell them weapons then. I'm glad we cleared up that piece of misinformation.

KingBrian2

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

So we dont sell them weapons then. I'm glad we cleared up that piece of misinformation.

Were part of a union that does. We sit in summits with other European countries, Germans, French, British and the like that have business relations with them. We can hardly say we fully reject political Islam when our friends and partners are making deals with them to sell them guns that will go to unnamed militias.

ohnonotgmail

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Were part of a union that does. We sit in summits with other European countries, Germans, French, British and the like that have business relations with them. We can hardly say we fully reject political Islam when our friends and partners are making deals with them to sell them guns that will go to unnamed militias.

why not toddle off and start a thread about how our terrible trade partners are selling weapons to those terrible arabs and let this thread stay on topic.

KingBrian2

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why not toddle off and start a thread about how our terrible trade partners are selling weapons to those terrible arabs and let this thread stay on topic.

Halawa was in the Muslim Brotherhood, a prescribed terrorist organisation. His detention in a Cairo prison relates to his attempt to cause civil uprising. Now human rights groups want him released because they feel he is being treated unjustifiable harsh by the Egyptian authorities, this may very well be true and he should probable be released because human rights is not ideal in a prison in an Islamic country. This does not take away from the fact that he was working with terrorists, he was involved in terrorism and that the Egyptian gvt should arrest anyone who is involved in acts of terrorism.