Irish Teen Fears Execution in Egypt

foggy_lad

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Ah now thats a bit harsh on Michael D. He's an idealist. Very much in short supply in irish politics.

He was always a bit short in Irish politics, what business has he got interfering in an Egyptian state matter anyway?

As for this prize plonker Halawa, He is a grown man who went to Egypt and disgraced himself and Ireland and acted like a terrorist. he should be dealt with by the Egyptians as they see fit and if that were to include a good flogging or a few years hard labour in a prison he just might learn something from the experience!

WarZ

foggy_lad wrote: »

He was always a bit short in Irish politics, what business has he got interfering in an Egyptian state matter anyway?

As for this prize plonker Halawa, He is a grown man who went to Egypt and disgraced himself and Ireland and acted like a terrorist. he should be dealt with by the Egyptians as they see fit and if that were to include a good flogging or a few years hard labour in a prison he just might learn something from the experience!

Lovely stuff, you want a 19 year old Irish citizen flogged and to endure hard labour.

Sickening stuff.

conorhal

Gringo180 wrote: »

Isn't hindsight a great thing.....

Almost as good as foresight, I congratulate the generals on their foresight regards getting shot of the MB, if only their german counterparts in that hypothetical scenerio had such wisdom.

asherbassad

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Banning the party? Yes. No election can be regarded as democratically legitimate if a popular party is prevented from participating. By all means individuals within a party who commit crimes should be tried and imprisoned for those crimes, and by all means there should be international intervention in cases of crimes against humanity, but actually banning an ideology from being part of the democratic process is by far the worse of two evils. And it only ever leads to trouble, as it has in Egypt.

And you comparison is a little nonsensical to begin with. In what way was Morsi's government comparable to the Nazis?

Again, I don't disagree with him being deposed. I've always believed that a system of recall is essential for a proper democracy, and relatively few countries in the world have anything like that, but for him and his fellow party members to subsequently be banned from participating in the following election was strike one. Violently suppressing people's legitimate right to protest was strike two. Reintroducing a police state including torture, brutality and corruption was strike three.

The Egyptian regime is not and never will be legitimate. Ergo, they should not be afforded one scrap of legitimacy by the West.

Yet they have been supported, armed and funded by the West for decades. Kind of exposes the whole charade of hypocrisy.

foggy_lad

WarZ wrote: »

Lovely stuff, you want a 19 year old Irish citizen flogged and to endure hard labour.

Sickening stuff.

Are you a supporter of a group of terrorists called The Muslim Brotherhood? They have links to isis and other terrorist groups responsible for multiple atrocities.

This Ibrahaim Halawa character is a supporter and when he went to Egypt he put his verbal support to use at at least one massive public rally for these terrorists where he claimed he was "home" to help them and would basically use the Irish people and government to put pressure on the Egyptian government.

end of the road

foggy_lad wrote: »

He was always a bit short in Irish politics, what business has he got interfering in an Egyptian state matter anyway?

every right as the egyptian state has no government.

foggy_lad wrote: »

As for this prize plonker Halawa, He is a grown man who went to Egypt and disgraced himself and Ireland and acted like a terrorist.

he didn't disgrace anyone and didn't act like a terrorist. he acted like an idiot but nothing more

foggy_lad wrote: »

he should be dealt with by the Egyptians as they see fit

he shouldn't. an illegitimate so called government doesn't get to deal with anyone or do anything.

foggy_lad wrote: »

if that were to include a good flogging or a few years hard labour in a prison he just might learn something from the experience!

he won't as he has nothing to learn

end of the road

conorhal wrote: »

Almost as good as foresight, I congratulate the generals on their foresight regards getting shot of the MB, if only their german counterparts in that hypothetical scenerio had such wisdom.

you congratulate terrorists for overthrowing a democratically elected, all be it rubbish government. so they could install their own form of terror and ensure military rule indefinitely?

conorhal

end of the road wrote: »

you congratulate terrorists for overthrowing a democratically elected, all be it rubbish government. so they could install their own form of terror and ensure military rule indefinitely?

Yes to the former, as to the latter, clearly your crystal ball works far better then mine does.

darkpagandeath

end of the road wrote: »

elections which are unlikely to happen, so my point still stands

Where is one getting this stuff ? Has one found the link to a report about the military going to shoot everyone inside the mosque once they left ? or is one making stuff up.

By the way why is one not storming the Dail in relation to Ireland HR record terrible legal system yadda yadda. You know the stuff one mentioned in relation to Egypt.

darkpagandeath

WarZ wrote: »

Lovely stuff, you want a 19 year old Irish citizen flogged and to endure hard labour.

Sickening stuff.

That would be Egyptian citizen actually. And no I would not want any flogging.

KingBrian2

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Banning the party? Yes. No election can be regarded as democratically legitimate if a popular party is prevented from participating. By all means individuals within a party who commit crimes should be tried and imprisoned for those crimes, and by all means there should be international intervention in cases of crimes against humanity, but actually banning an ideology from being part of the democratic process is by far the worse of two evils. And it only ever leads to trouble, as it has in Egypt.

And you comparison is a little nonsensical to begin with. In what way was Morsi's government comparable to the Nazis?

Again, I don't disagree with him being deposed. I've always believed that a system of recall is essential for a proper democracy, and relatively few countries in the world have anything like that, but for him and his fellow party members to subsequently be banned from participating in the following election was strike one. Violently suppressing people's legitimate right to protest was strike two. Reintroducing a police state including torture, brutality and corruption was strike three.

The Egyptian regime is not and never will be legitimate. Ergo, they should not be afforded one scrap of legitimacy by the West.

Depends on what electoral system you have. Democracy is still democracy even if it is entirely corrupt and rigged. That's why you need a civil service that can build a state that can power the country forward. Teachers, Doctors & Bin-men need to be paid and foreign trade has to continue otherwise you could end up a dictatorship and bankrupt.

kidneyfan

darkpagandeath wrote: »

That would be Egyptian citizen actually. And no I would not want any flogging.

He is also an Irish citizen.

darkpagandeath

kidneyfan wrote: »

He is also an Irish citizen.

Oh dear god it's like the entire thread has been ignored. Look up how Duel citizenship works.

SeanW

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Banning the party? Yes. No election can be regarded as democratically legitimate if a popular party is prevented from participating. By all means individuals within a party who commit crimes should be tried and imprisoned for those crimes, and by all means there should be international intervention in cases of crimes against humanity, but actually banning an ideology from being part of the democratic process is by far the worse of two evils. And it only ever leads to trouble, as it has in Egypt.

But failing to do so leads to even more trouble, as we saw in Germany in 1933.

And you comparison is a little nonsensical to begin with. In what way was Morsi's government comparable to the Nazis?

Islamist and Nazi ideologies are indistinguisable from each other. In fact most of the differences between Nazi and Islamist ideologies

1. Jews. Islamists want to drive the Jews into the sea, Nazis drove them into the gas chambers.
2. Homosexuals. Again, Nazi and Islamist views and policies are indistinguishable.
3. The role of women in society. Again, Nazi and Islamist views are almost indistinguishable. Both viewed women as little more than facist baby-factories.
4. Polygamy. Nazi and Islamist views on this are almost identical. Adolf Hitler clearly intended Germany to allow its returning soldiers to have multiple wives after they had won WWII. Fortunately that did not happen.
5. A global outlook. Both Nazis and Islamists want to take over the world or very large parts of it. The Muslim Brotherhood and other aggressive Islamist (Salafi, Wahabbi etc) entities are active in most nations on Earth. Just like the Nazis/Japanese had spy rings in some allied nations in WWII.

The few areas where Naziism and Islamism differ, most of those make Naziism look good by comparison.

The Egyptian regime is not and never will be legitimate. Ergo, they should not be afforded one scrap of legitimacy by the West.

What makes Egypt different from other non-democratic states. Should Saudi Arabia, Iran, China etc "not be afforded one scrap of legitimacy" either?

Just as democracy did not work in Germany in 1933, it can only work if you can trust people not to vote for Islamists, Nazis or other reprobates. Becuase if people insist on voting for an anti-democratic organisation like Hamas, Nazis, Muslim Brotherhood etc, that entity will dismantle the democratic institutions and there will be no more democracy anyway - so a military coup only brings forward the end of the democratic setup by a few years in any case. In the wrong hands democracy is, as an old saying goes "like two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner".

But the crazies do not have to win a majority, if theres one crazy group and a number of non-crazy groups, (e.g. pacifists, communists, secularists, greens, centre-right etc) then all the crazy has to do is get a healthy plurality in for example a presidential election.

darkpagandeath

Turns out breaking the Law in Thailand having an Irish passport does not get one special treatment.... A visit from the local consular probably saying get a lawyer was all that was done so far. No Mass media coverage, No mentions in the Dail. Where is amnesty on this one ?

foggy_lad

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Turns out breaking the Law in Thailand having an Irish passport does not get one special treatment.... A visit from the local consular probably saying get a lawyer was all that was done so far. No Mass media coverage, No mentions in the Dail. Where is amnesty on this one ?

But that guy was not a terrorist and member of Muslim brotherhood like our ibrahaim halawa.

end of the road

foggy_lad wrote: »

But that guy was not a terrorist and member of Muslim brotherhood like our ibrahaim halawa.

ibrahaim halawa is not a terrorist or a member of the Muslim brotherhood

darkpagandeath

end of the road wrote: »

ibrahaim halawa is not a terrorist or a member of the Muslim brotherhood

What Rally where they guest starting at again ? Ah yes the Gardeners association of Egypt.

weldoninhio

end of the road wrote: »

ibrahaim halawa is not a terrorist or a member of the Muslim brotherhood

To quote you, show us the proof of this

darkpagandeath

weldoninhio wrote: »

To quote you, show us the proof of this

Where they not all over MB TV network at one stage, Sorry sorry Gardners association of Egypt. Shouting angrily about greenfly infestations and having to fight them until the streets run red. Saying they had been Helping from day one there brothers fight against the greenfly. Even took an injury to the hand.

weldoninhio

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Where they not all over MB TV network at one stage, Sorry sorry Gardners association of Egypt. Shouting angrily about greenfly infestations and having to fight them until the streets run red. Saying they had been Helping from day one there brothers fight against the greenfly. Even took an injury to the hand.

Exactly, but I'm sure EOTR wouldn't make such a big statement without proof. He definitely has some evidence, otherwise his posts calling other people out regarding evidence would look incredibly silly.

foggy_lad

Time for the Halawa annual holiday to Egypt now that the department of foreign Affairs has again issued a warning telling people not to go there!

Call me Al

foggy_lad wrote: »

Time for the Halawa annual holiday to Egypt now that the department of foreign Affairs has again issued a warning telling people not to go there!

They are going via London apparently.... it is being reported that they want to call in at no.10 and ask for the PMs help in their plight.

Let's just hope for their own sake that they are little more diplomatic than they have been with the Irish counterparts.

KingBrian2

Egypt like Tunisia and other North African and West Asian countries are seeing tourists leaving for good. Bad, really bad for tourism, even more concerning than threats against the ruling gvt.

Time for a concerted attempt to protect the holiday resorts that are being explicitly targeted by terrorists. Mumbai, Casablanca and Bali have all been exposed to these style of attacks. Porous borders and ill equipped officers are the root of the cause.

skooterblue2

foggy_lad wrote: »

Time for the Halawa annual holiday to Egypt now ....................

Bucket and Spade ........... check
swimsuits check............... check
Finest C4 grade explosive .......check
suntan lotion .....................check
Nintendo DS to distract the kids in the airport....... Check
Ché Guevara Guerilla warfare manual, Arabic edition with forward by Anjem Choudary............ check

darkpagandeath

Call me Al wrote: »

They are going via London apparently.... it is being reported that they want to call in at no.10 and ask for the PMs help in their plight.

Let's just hope for their own sake that they are little more diplomatic than they have been with the Irish counterparts.

Interesting, Did the Brits not declare the MB a bad group and Terrorists think I saw something about that on the news.

Call me Al

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Interesting, Did the Brits not declare the MB a bad group and Terrorists think I saw something about that on the news.

Probably did.... but it is all over the Free Ibrahim Halawa facebook page.

darkpagandeath

Call me Al wrote: »

Probably did.... but it is all over the Free Ibrahim Halawa facebook page.

So is a very lot of made up stuff.

Your Face

I sphinx this is made up.

KingBrian2

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Interesting, Did the Brits not declare the MB a bad group and Terrorists think I saw something about that on the news.

They want the MB to sit in parliament and agitate from the sidelines. They create mischief for any sitting president making the country or indeed any country they reside in ungovernable.

Call me Al

darkpagandeath wrote: »

So is a very lot of made up stuff.

I said they wanted to. Not that they actually got their foot in the door

Which is unlikely after the sad week that we have just had.

skooterblue2

Call me Al wrote: »

I said they wanted to. Not that they actually got their foot in the door .

I think an awful lot of this is walter mitty stuff . Rather than reality but aspiration
ane erroneous logic.

custard gannet

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Turns out breaking the Law in Thailand having an Irish passport does not get one special treatment.... A visit from the local consular probably saying get a lawyer was all that was done so far. No Mass media coverage, No mentions in the Dail. Where is amnesty on this one ?

In order to qualify for enhanced media coverage and government assistance, you need to either have an undeserved Irish passport attached to your foreign name, pregnant, or be a bit of a looker like MichaelA of the Peruvian tourist board fame.

Have the Halawa kids sent out any condolences for the Russians blown out of the sky by ISIS ? Did their old man pray for them in his sermons?

skooterblue2

custard gannet wrote: »

In order to qualify for enhanced media coverage and government assistance, you need to either have an undeserved Irish passport attached to your foreign name, pregnant, or be a bit of a looker like MichaelA of the Peruvian tourist board fame.

Have the Halawa kids sent out any condolences for the Russians blown out of the sky by ISIS ? Did their old man pray for them in his sermons?

On one these girls have been whoring themselves to every media outlet that will have them including RTE, Foreign stations and anyone who will write about them. Public are tired of their story.

However those old hostage tricks dont work well with russian. Expect the russians to respond in kind and with spades based on past performance. I like muslim terrorists, I mean they are committed to what they are doing...... if only they diversified and branched out into other areas. I would love a muslim plumber because he would be determined to get the leak and finish the job at all costs...... that shows character. If only they were as good at plumbing as with Terrorism. I would happily pay for a job done.

http://blogbaladi.com/how-russia-responded-to-the-kidnapping-of-four-soviet-diplomats-in-beirut-in-1985/

Galwayguy35

Call me Al wrote: »

They are going via London apparently.... it is being reported that they want to call in at no.10 and ask for the PMs help in their plight.

Let's just hope for their own sake that they are little more diplomatic than they have been with the Irish counterparts.

Ha that should be interesting.

I wonder will they tell Cameron that he had a chance to come back here and wouldn't take it.

Time to forget about this guy, he made his bed let him lie in it.

SEPT 23 1989

The British won't stand for this nonsense

DarkyHughes

So has he been freed or is he still being held in as a POW?

skooterblue2

Firstly he is not POW and secondly he hasnt been remanded in Court. Its going to be atleast 8 years before they leave him out. Sins of the Father.

skooterblue2

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The British won't stand for this nonsense

I dont even see what it has to do with the British government and there is no way the British Media will give him the time that the Irish media did.

I suppose they are "aspiring" to meet David Cameron. In reality they might be lucky enough to meet a middle to senior rank civil servant who will tell them this is really an "Irish matter" and to use the "relevent diplomatic channels" (AKA PFO).

Once again all Pie in the sky......

darkpagandeath

But but Amnesty international support them.. Oh is it just the Irish branch..

skooterblue2

Amnesty International would support a cow bulling in a field. they pick some very strangley opposing cases. You can support fundementalist muslims and gay rights in the same breath.

end of the road

custard gannet wrote: »

an undeserved Irish passport attached to your foreign name

anyone who has an irish passport deserves it, otherwise they wouldn't have been given it by the government. not liking ones skin colour or religion changes that i'm afraid.

custard gannet wrote: »

Have the Halawa kids sent out any condolences for the Russians blown out of the sky by ISIS ? Did their old man pray for them in his sermons?

you could always ask them, all though why would they? considering most people wouldn't be publically sending out condolences anyway, not only are they under no obligation to publically do anything, them not doing so means nothing if they haven't. we don't know whether the plane was blown up for sure yet.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Time to forget about this guy, he made his bed let him lie in it.

he didn't, so its not.

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The British won't stand for this nonsense

no i should think an innocent young irish man being held on bogus charges is something the british wouldn't stand for. hopefully

SEPT 23 1989

end of the road wrote: »

anyone who has an irish passport deserves it, otherwise they wouldn't have been given it by the government. not liking ones skin colour or religion changes that i'm afraid.



you could always ask them, all though why would they? considering most people wouldn't be publically sending out condolences anyway, not only are they under no obligation to publically do anything, them not doing so means nothing if they haven't. we don't know whether the plane was blown up for sure yet.





he didn't, so its not.




no i should think an innocent young irish man being held on bogus charges is something the british wouldn't stand for. hopefully

Bogus?

Get off the stage ffs

darkpagandeath

end of the road wrote: »

anyone who has an irish passport deserves it, otherwise they wouldn't have been given it by the government. not liking ones skin colour or religion changes that i'm afraid.



you could always ask them, all though why would they? considering most people wouldn't be publically sending out condolences anyway, not only are they under no obligation to publically do anything, them not doing so means nothing if they haven't. we don't know whether the plane was blown up for sure yet.





he didn't, so its not.




no i should think an innocent young irish man being held on bogus charges is something the british wouldn't stand for. hopefully

What's that got to do with the price of fish ? An Egyptian is in an Egyptian Jail awaiting Trial in an Egyptian legal system.

130Kph

end of the road wrote: »

anyone who has an irish passport deserves it, otherwise they wouldn't have been given it by the government. not liking ones skin colour or religion changes that i'm afraid.

By trying to construct some bare bones coherent narrative for this brainwashed individual (which you failed at AGAIN, in my opinion) you made a little boo-boo.

You do know that many foreign millionaires have bought Irish passports (basicly) illegally within the last 20 years!!

end of the road

130Kph wrote: »

By trying to construct some bare bones coherent narrative for this brainwashed individual (which you failed at AGAIN, in my opinion) you made a little boo-boo.

i didn't.

130Kph wrote: »

You do know that many foreign millionaires have bought Irish passports (basicly) illegally within the last 20 years!!

yes . means nothing though as thats up to the authorities to deal with. my point still stands.

darkpagandeath

end of the road wrote: »

i didn't.



yes . means nothing though as thats up to the authorities to deal with. my point still stands.

So hang on, Is buying a passport good or bad. As one has said before people given one are deserving of one and all the help and support that comes with it.

end of the road

darkpagandeath wrote: »

So hang on, Is buying a passport good or bad. As one has said before people given one are deserving of one and all the help and support that comes with it.

if buying a passport is illegal then that is for the authorities to sort out as it is illegal.

DarkyHughes

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Firstly he is not POW and secondly he hasnt been remanded in Court. Its going to be atleast 8 years before they leave him out. Sins of the Father.

Well what did he blow up?

darkpagandeath

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Well what did he blow up?

Nothing, I think most charges are for being part of a protest that turned uber violent people got killed churches burnt down and so on so forth. The whole giving speeches will not have gone down well with the military either. Having to have taken back control from a failed test in democracy as the Mb lad was changing the Constitution to be a dictatorship.