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Irish Teen Fears Execution in Egypt

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  • #5452
    K.Flyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    Interesting points made by the current Egyptian Ambassador to Ireland..
    In an interview withThe Irish Times, Egyptian ambassador Soha Gendi said her government could not intervene “until the case was done” 
    ...
    “It’s a very serious case . . . It’s not something to be taken lightly,”
    ...
    “I doubt very much that if it was the same case here, and an Egyptian citizen got entangled in this . . . that the Irish court system would just hand him freely to the Egyptian government.”


  • #5453
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,195 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    acb121 wrote: »
    I am sick of this LYING family of Jihadists and Muslim Brotherhood / CAGE / Isis / Islamic Terrorism supporters.

    any evidence for all that or is it just that they are muslims so automatically all guilty of what you claim? if your sick of 2 sisters fighting for their brothers release then you need to get unsick of it.
    acb121 wrote: »
    Not one major media outlet has asked them some very obvious questions.

    what questions would these be? the reason they haven't asked them is because there is nothing to ask.
    acb121 wrote: »
    The Irish media are an abosolute f**king disgrace.

    not on this issue they aren't.
    acb121 wrote: »
    They are a bunch of liars.

    are they?
    acb121 wrote: »
    It's sickening watching the Irish media suck up to them.


    you mean its sickening that the irish media don't spout what you want to hear? ah well. were getting somewhere now
    acb121 wrote: »
    The title of the thread should be changed.

    it shouldn't. its perfectly fine
    acb121 wrote: »
    The source of this is the LYING Hawala family, with their screeching hysteria that gets reported as the truth by the Irish Media.

    the source was the egyptian military who stated they would execute anyone involved in the protests. only the truth is being reported as the truth by the irish media, and the hysteria by the sisters worried for their brother is justified.
    acb121 wrote: »
    They are a bunch of liars.

    they aren't
    acb121 wrote: »
    If they had nothing to hide, they would simply tell the truth.

    they did, you just don't want to hear it or except it
    acb121 wrote: »
    They have changed their story so many times. There is not one definitive account of this fairytale.

    they haven't, and there is
    acb121 wrote: »
    Really ? Of course you can visit Egypt. What you really mean is that you have jumped bail and absconded.

    no, as part of their bail conditions they are not allowed to return to egypt.
    acb121 wrote: »
    Irish Media going on about a chap that had been executed. He had been carrying an large Isis flag in his back pocket and murdered somebody. This is what we are dealing with here.

    no evidence abraham had an isis flag and murdered anyone i'm afraid.

    QUOTE=acb121;97676452]I think the sisters are being indulged because they wear headscarfs.[/QUOTE]

    no, i'm afraid not.
    acb121 wrote: »
    Anybody else would be taken to task for the nonsense they spout.

    which means no nonsense has been spouted.
    acb121 wrote: »
    Not one Irish newspaper will ask the questions.

    because there are none to ask
    acb121 wrote: »
    They just report the hysterical shrieks of the lying sisters as "Fact".

    they report the truth from the truthful sisters as truth

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #5454
    SeanW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,890 ✭✭✭SeanW


    end of the road wrote: »
    he isn't.

    and?
    Most civilised countries (including Egypt I hope) have laws against incitement to hatred.

    Giving a hate filled speech to fire up a group of like minded psycho assholes that were burning churches and murdering Christians, certainly qualifies. There is no difference between Ibrahim Halawa and and a speaker at the Nuremberg Rallies around the time of the Kristellnacht (spelling?).


  • #5455
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,195 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    acb121 wrote: »
    Shaker Aamer was living with Moazzam Begg. Shaker Ameer was travelling into Afghanistan with Moazaam Begg.

    You know, the same Moazam Begg who jiholidayed in places such as Bosnia.

    Who was arrested in a plot which revolved around defrauding his employers in the British Welfare State and channelling it to Islamic terrorists.

    Look up the friends of Mozaam Begg.

    Shaker Aamer could have gone "home" to Saudi Arabia in 2007. He chose to stay in Guantanamo.
    he couldn't have gone home to saudi as he was being held against his will without trial by the americans
    acb121 wrote: »
    If he was born and raised in Japan, would that make him a " Japanese Teenager " ?

    If he was born and raised in China, would that make him a " Chinese Teenager " ?

    If he was born and raised in India, would that make him an " Indian Teenager " ?

    If he was born and raised in Saudi Arabia, would that make him a " Saudi Arabian Teenager " ?

    If he was born and raised in an Inuit enclave, would that make him an " Inuit Teenager " ?


    yes of course. just like him being born in ireland makes him an irish man
    acb121 wrote: »
    They won't. Ireland is too busy importing the insane British left point of view.

    I live in the UK.

    A country busy building its own funeral pyre.

    Where Moazzam Begg, a man with a very dubious past, some very dubious freinds, and a knack for unfortunately going on holiday to places that erupt in Islamic terrorism is feted by the BBC and Guardian as some sort of Nelson Mandela.

    Where Moazzam Beggs charity CAGE, who assist those unfortunate young " British Muslims " with same holiday habits as Begg, including one sick b@stard who loves cake and cutting heads off, is feted and funded.

    Where every charity worker like Shaker Aamer and computer course student has the loonie left campaigning to bring them "home" and then give them a nice fat compensation cheque.

    Where grown adults who make an informed choice to travel to Isis territory to support their activities are painted as "victims", and it is all the fault of a nasty big boy on the internet who radicalised them then ran away.

    British Jihadis know they can play Britain like a fiddle.

    I cannot wait till Russia put boots on the ground and send in the Spetznaz.

    Plenty of scum with British Passport in Syria. I hope Russia parade a few before putting a bullet in their heads.

    I'll laugh as the Guardian and BBC whine about their human rites.

    The Guardian and BBC would bring them home to continue their jihad here.

    Thank God for Putin !
    a rant completely full of made up nonsense and rabel. britain has moved on from the old days and become a modern progressive society, deal with it. the old days are gone. the uk is fine. the bbc is a great impartial broadcaster which the world marvels at, its the greatist broadcaster in the world. no such thing as the "loony left" apart from in the minds of extremists who want to drag countries back to the bad old days where racism bigotry and intolerence were excepted. nobody is "whining" about human rights (the same human rights we all benefit from) apart from those who want to remove them so they can treat certain sections of society badly because of race creed and religion. the bbc won't and don't bring anyone home

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #5456
    K.Flyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    acb121 wrote: »
    ...
    Not one Irish newspaper will ask the questions.
    end of the road wrote: »
    ...
    what questions would these be? the reason they haven't asked them is because there is nothing to ask.
    [...]you mean its sickening that the irish media don't spout what you want to hear? ah well. were getting somewhere now

    Some people either don't read all the posts or have a bad memory recall...
    From earlier along in the thread..

    Indo article from Aug 2013
    Irish Independent 23/08/2013

    Irish Passport Cannot Be Used As A Get Out Of Jail Card
    They have accidentally, as you do, found themselves in the middle of a pro-Muslim Brotherhood march while they were in Egypt on holidays when they were on a march that became a riot. Again, as you do.

    It's easily done, of course.

    In fact, I'm pretty bloody sick of going on my holliers every summer and then ending up cowering in a mosque after being part of a protest that turns violent. Every bloody time ...
    When you remove the bluff, the bluster and the political sloganeering from both sides, one incontrovertible fact remains – our Government is now being dragged into a foreign domestic drama that is none of our business and we should have absolutely no part in.
    Because they chose to get themselves into this mess and no amount of screaming about being Irish citizens is going to change that fact.

    This isn't an Irish problem.

    And the Halawas and their supporters shouldn't be allowed to make it one.

    Irish Independent


  • #5457
    K.Flyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    end of the road wrote: »
    ...
    no, as part of their bail conditions they are not allowed to return to egypt.

    Totally incorrect, remember what was previously posted on the thread..

    Irish Indo from This Year

    Basically they are fugitives having absconded whilst on Bail...
    Egypt's newly-installed Ambassador to Ireland, Soha Gendi, told the Irish Independent that politicians were precluded from interfering in what was now a judicial process.

    Ms Gendi also said that Mr Halawa's three sisters, who were arrested at the same protest, had "skipped the country" after being released on bail and faced re-arrest if they returned. A court could make findings against them in their absence.


  • #5458
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    end of the road wrote: »
    he couldn't have gone home to saudi as he was being held against his will without trial by the americans

    That's total rubbish. The Americans were willing to repatriate him to Saudi in 2007. Fact. He refused. Deal with it.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/20/british-resident-guantanamo
    Despite Foreign Office pressure to bring Aamer back to his family in south London, it has been confirmed that he has only been officially cleared to be sent to Saudi Arabia, where officials have threatened him with imprisonment. A letter dated 18 February 2013 from William Hague, the foreign secretary, to Aamer's lawyer, Clive Stafford Smith, states: "It is our understanding that Mr Aamer has only ever been cleared for transfer to Saudi Arabia."

    You are a liar.


  • #5459
    ihatemyfish
    Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭ihatemyfish


    This case has been in the Irish media for over two years at this stage and not one journalists bothered to investigate and establish the facts. Instead, they have become mouthpieces for the family and repeat everything that they say as if it were gospel.

    That speaks volumes about the state of journalism in Ireland.


  • #5460
    acb121
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭acb121


    I am not going to bother replying to end of the road

    PROOF of everything has been posted on this thread.

    Is this all you do?

    " no they dont "

    " no they dont "

    " they sky is purple with pink dots, the halawa sisters said so "

    you contribute absolutely nothing whatsoever to this thread

    why do you bother.

    google Begg if you are so interested

    you are wasting everbodys time with your nonsensical no they dont posts. you have absolutely nothing to offer this thread. nothing.

    i would actually be prepared to post my real name and address so that anyone could sue me if I was posting lies.

    the sisters tweeted and facebooked " #withcage " to show their support of CAGE after their connection to Mohammed Emwazi was exposed and they came under criticism.

    CAGE are not some benign Muslim charity.

    They are an organisation that works with convicted and committed Islamic terrorists.

    One of the sisters got into hysterics when the Egyptian goverment execucted a man. That man can be found on Youtube, with a 4 foot Isis flag on a stick, murdering another man by pushing him off a room.

    This family are Jihadis. They are waging Jihad. Gender segregated protests on the streets of Ireland ? Muslim female ONLY conferences in Irish Hotels. They are doing their Jihad here in Ireland.


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  • #5461
    acb121
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭acb121


    end of the road

    you post a pile of shyte

    " ibrhaim only went to get a choc ice "

    In thousands of posts, you have not only not posted one single FACT, you have provided not one single verifiable, independent source for your rantings.

    You state that there is a definitive account of this every changing fairytale.

    Well then end of the road, it very simple. Please provide everybody on this thread with the definitive account of this fairytale that you assert exists. Please provide, names, dates, independently verifiiable sources. Please "put up or shut up " Thanks !

    The family are members and avid supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood and have actively worked to promote the interests of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    The motto of the Muslim Brotherhood is as follows:

    " Allah is our objective; the Qur'an is the Constitution; the Prophet is our leader; jihad is our way; death for the sake of Allah is our wish "

    Neither Begg nor Aamer was an enlisted infantryman in any recognised army.

    They both know how to use an AK47.

    Quite common I'm sure. Doesn't everybody know how to use an AK47.

    THIS FAMILY ARE EITHER HABITUAL LIARS, CYNICAL LIARS or have extremley low IQs.

    THEIR SUPPORTERS ARE DELUDED LIARS.


  • #5462
    rossmores
    Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭rossmores


    they came to our country and chose not integrate they are Muslims with extreme views hating the west while enjoying its freedoms and liberal protection there aim is to destroy these for all of us first example is airline travel


  • #5463
    ihatemyfish
    Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭ihatemyfish


    end of the road wrote: »
    any evidence for all that or is it just that they are muslims so automatically all guilty of what you claim? if your sick of 2 sisters fighting for their brothers release then you need to get unsick of it.



    what questions would these be? the reason they haven't asked them is because there is nothing to ask.



    not on this issue they aren't.



    are they?




    you mean its sickening that the irish media don't spout what you want to hear? ah well. were getting somewhere now



    it shouldn't. its perfectly fine



    the source was the egyptian military who stated they would execute anyone involved in the protests. only the truth is being reported as the truth by the irish media, and the hysteria by the sisters worried for their brother is justified.



    they aren't



    they did, you just don't want to hear it or except it



    they haven't, and there is



    no, as part of their bail conditions they are not allowed to return to egypt.



    no evidence abraham had an isis flag and murdered anyone i'm afraid.

    think the sisters are being indulged because they wear headscarfs.

    no, i'm afraid not.



    which means no nonsense has been spouted.



    because there are none to ask



    they report the truth from the truthful sisters as truth

    The truthful sisters? Part of their bail conditions were that they must pull a legged out of the country and not return? You're wasted on here. You belong in Vicar Street!


  • #5464
    acb121
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭acb121


    ihatemyfish wrote: »
    The truthful sisters? Part of their bail conditions were that they must pull a legged out of the country and not return? You're wasted on here. You belong in Vicar Street!

    Somaia Halawa was born in Egypt.

    She permanently resided there until at least the age of 22, having lived in the family home in Cairo, and was engaged in full time education.

    Upon finished her university education, in her early 20s, she then came to Ireland aged in her early 20s. She probably arrived in Ireland around 2010.

    Exact specifics won't be forthcoming, as that family will provide no FACTS.

    By Somaia Halawa's own admission she found Ireland difficult due to her lack of the English language.

    At some point in 2013, with the Muslim Brotherhood in charge, Somaia decided Egypt was a more pleasant place to live ( wonder why ) and decided to return " Home ".

    She was looking for a job, attending job interviews and looking to "settle down", before becoming a full time protestor.

    So, at the point they were given bail, one would have to assume she was bailed as an Egyptian citizen and gave an address in Cairo to be bailed to.

    At which point she did a runner to Ireland.

    They can't go to Egypt.

    Except mummy and at least one sister are living there permanently, since Ibrahim went out to buy a choc ice, and suddenly appeared on live "Muslim Brotherhood TV" from inside a besieged mosque in the centre of Cairo, wearing a headband and ranting and raving about giving his life to the very last bullet " AS THIS IS NOW AN ISLAMIC MATTER ! "

    Liars and cheats. The lot of them. Facilitated by a craven, pathetic, politically correct Irish media too dhimmified and deferent to headscarves to ask serious questions.


  • #5465
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,195 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    That's total rubbish. The Americans were willing to repatriate him to Saudi in 2007. Fact. He refused. Deal with it.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/20/british-resident-guantanamo


    You are a liar.

    total rubbish. The Americans weren't willing to repatriate him to Saudi in 2007. Fact. Deal with it. You are a liar.

    acb121 wrote: »
    Is this all you do?

    is what all i do?
    acb121 wrote: »
    you contribute absolutely nothing whatsoever to this thread

    i contribute plenty. you don't however.
    acb121 wrote: »
    why do you bother.

    no bother at all to counteract those who take the word of a military junta
    acb121 wrote: »
    you are wasting everbodys time with your nonsensical no they dont posts. you have absolutely nothing to offer this thread. nothing.

    you are wasting everbodys time with your nonsensical posts. you have absolutely nothing to offer this thread. nothing.
    acb121 wrote: »
    i would actually be prepared to post my real name and address so that anyone could sue me if I was posting lies.

    no you wouldn't.
    acb121 wrote: »
    CAGE are not some benign Muslim charity.

    are they not?
    acb121 wrote: »
    They are an organisation that works with convicted and committed Islamic terrorists.

    provides them with legal advice and other legal things? well, someone has to i suppose
    acb121 wrote: »
    This family are Jihadis. They are waging Jihad.

    they aren't, and no they aren't.
    acb121 wrote: »
    They are doing their Jihad here in Ireland.

    they aren't. making up things doesn't make them true.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #5466
    DarkyHughes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭DarkyHughes


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    they are going to hold him for 8 years and then charge him and try him.

    What the hell did he do? He didn't kill anyone or blow anything so I guess he's not a terrorist.

    If people in the North got held for rioting or protesting for 8 years, there would be nobody left on the streets.


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  • #5467
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    What the hell did he do? He didn't kill anyone or blow anything so I guess he's not a terrorist.

    If people in the North got held for rioting or protesting for 8 years, there would be nobody left on the streets.

    What's NI got to do with the price of fish ?


  • #5468
    DarkyHughes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭DarkyHughes


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    What's NI got to do with the price of fish ?

    We are not talking about fish.


  • #5469
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    What the hell did he do? He didn't kill anyone or blow anything so I guess he's not a terrorist.

    If people in the North got held for rioting or protesting for 8 years, there would be nobody left on the streets.


    you guess incorrectly.


  • #5470
    DarkyHughes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭DarkyHughes


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    you guess incorrectly.

    WTF are you talking I didn't guess anything.


  • #5471
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    WTF are you talking I didn't guess anything.

    this
    so I guess he's not a terrorist.


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  • #5472
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    We are not talking about fish.

    Or NI...


  • #5473
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,195 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    acb121 wrote: »
    end of the road

    you post a pile of shyte

    you certainly do. along with digs and insults
    acb121 wrote: »
    THEIR SUPPORTERS ARE DELUDED LIARS.

    they aren't. just people not afraid to simply take the word of a military junta against someone else for "reasons"

    acb121 wrote: »
    Liars and cheats. The lot of them.

    you mean the egyptian military government? couldn't agree more.
    acb121 wrote: »
    Facilitated by a craven, pathetic, politically correct Irish media too dhimmified and deferent to headscarves to ask serious questions.

    we don't have such a media in this country. clearly there are no questions to ask, otherwise they would be asked. nothing to do with the non existant political correctness, or headscarves

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #5474
    DarkyHughes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭DarkyHughes


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    this

    That was a few posts back. What terrorist activity was he involved in, we've already established he didn't blow up anything or kill anyone has the the term terrorist been broadened?


  • #5475
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    That was a few posts back. What terrorist activity was he involved in, we've already established he didn't blow up anything or kill anyone has the the term terrorist been broadened?


    what would you call advocating violence for political or religious ends?


  • #5476
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    end of the road wrote: »

    they aren't. just people not afraid to simply take the word of a military junta against someone else for "reasons"
    ...
    Sure you would have the last lad running a dictatorship would one ? That's what he was trying to do with the constitution.


  • #5477
    acb121
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭acb121


    zzzzzzz ....

    oh, did somebody say , no it isnt , because they say so, yes they are, no they arent

    without a single shred of evidence, a link, some form of verification

    zzzzz .....

    zzzzzz .....


  • #5478
    acb121
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭acb121


    zzzzzzz ....

    oh, did somebody say , no it isnt , because they say so, yes they are, no they arent

    without a single shred of evidence, a link, some form of verification

    zzzzz .....

    zzzzzz .....


  • #5479
    acb121
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭acb121


    end of the road wrote: »

    no bother at all to counteract those who take the word of a military junta

    .

    The nasty Military Junta are the ones who made all these claims ?

    That they all went on their annual holiday, when it turns out one of them Somaia was in an Egyptian citizen who had spent the first 22 years of her life in Egypt, visited Ireland for about 2 years and had moved back to the family home in Cairo once the Muslim Brotherhood took over to turn Egypt into an Islamic Paradise, to find a job and "settle down" ?

    ( You know, where the family home, where several of them are currently living, with no problems from this evil Military Junta )

    That one of the sisters was shot 20 times by rubber bullets ?

    That one of the sisters was a plane drop a bomb on a street ?

    That the three sisters and the brother were involved in a massacre where over 1000 people were killed, and the four of them miraculously survived in the a group of only 30 people who were not murdered.

    That the sisters CANNOT go back to Egypt because they are not allowed ?

    That Ibrahim would give his life to the very last bullet as this is now an Islamic matter ?

    That he was on hunger strike, when in fact he was being taught to cook by Peter Greste ?

    That he was being beaten with chains, hell in a cell, appearing at SummerSlam Raw vs Smackdown ?

    That the sisters CANNOT go back to Egypt because they are not allowed ?

    That the Irish govemnent were doing nothing, when in fact he had been the subject of dozens of communications and was recieving a weekly visit from the embassy ?

    The Military Junta made all those claims ?

    All the claims we are trying to make some sense of were made by the Halawa liars.


  • #5480
    Boom_Bap
    Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    MOD
    Get this thread back on track and stop the bickering with each other.
    The volume of reported posts coming from this thread is too high. Either it gets back on track or there will be infractions and bans and the thread will be closed.


  • #5481
    Alexis Sanchez
    Registered Users Posts: 415 ✭✭Alexis Sanchez


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    MOD
    Get this thread back on track and stop the bickering with each other.
    The volume of reported posts coming from this thread is too high. Either it gets back on track or there will be infractions and bans and the thread will be closed.

    Could you at least change the thread title? He's not eligible for execution.


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  • #5482
    acb121
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭acb121


    Alexis Sanchez wrote: »
    Could you at least change the thread title? He's not eligible for execution.

    Ditto " Hunger Strike " LOL !

    Ditto " Beaten With Chains ".

    Ditto " Hell In A Cell ".

    Ditto " Irish teen goes to buy choc ice in Eygpt "


  • #5483
    DarkyHughes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭DarkyHughes


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    what would you call advocating violence for political or religious ends?

    Well Thatchers government called it criminality & that there was no such thing as political prisoner.

    Would you call Wolfe Tone or Edward Carson terrorists? They advocated violence for political ends?


  • #5484
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    Well Thatchers government called it criminality & that was no such as political prisoner.


    criminality, terrorism, whatever you want to call it. it is still illegal.


  • #5485
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    Well Thatchers government called it criminality & that there was no such thing as political prisoner.

    Would you call Wolfe Tone or Carson terrorists, they advocated violence for political ends?


    ah i see you added a sneaky edit after i posted.


  • #5486
    DarkyHughes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭DarkyHughes


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    criminality, terrorism, whatever you want to call it. it is still illegal.

    Would you call the brave heroes of the International Brigade (a few hundred of them were Irish Republicans) who went to Spain to fight the fascist beast Franco & his Fascist Italy (80, 000 of them) & Nazi Germany (100's of Blueshirts & Free Staters fought for them) allies who reduced the Basque capital of Guerrnica to rubble, would you call them terrorists?


  • #5487
    DarkyHughes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭DarkyHughes


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    ah i see you added a sneaky edit after i posted.

    You consider typos sneaky ? I left out the words "there" & "no".

    I've clearly won this debate if this the type of crap you will be posting from now on.


  • #5488
    DarkyHughes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭DarkyHughes


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    criminality, terrorism, whatever you want to call it. it is still illegal.

    I prefer guerrillas


  • #5489
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    Would you call the brave heroes of the International Brigade (a few hundred of them were Irish Republicans) who went to Spain to fight the fascist beast Franco & his Fascist Italy (80, 000 of them) & Nazi Germany (100's of Blueshirts & Free Staters fought for them) allies who reduced the Basque capital of Guerrnica to rubble, would you call them terrorists?

    One does know what the MB is ?


  • #5490
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    You consider typos sneaky ? I left out the words "there" & "no".

    I've clearly won this debate if this the type of crap you will be posting from now on.


    you added in
    Would you call Wolfe Tone or Carson terrorists, they advocated violence for political ends?

    I wouldnt call that a typo.

    I find your comment on "winning" the debate quite enlightening. Surely the point of discussion is to find out WHAT is right rather than WHO is right?


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  • #5491
    R P McMurphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    rossmores wrote: »
    they came to our country and chose not integrate they are Muslims with extreme views hating the west while enjoying its freedoms and liberal protection there aim is to destroy these for all of us first example is airline travel

    Who are you talking about? Who is the 'they' that came to Ireland?


  • #5492
    ihatemyfish
    Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭ihatemyfish


    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    Would you call the brave heroes of the International Brigade (a few hundred of them were Irish Republicans) who went to Spain to fight the fascist beast Franco & his Fascist Italy (80, 000 of them) & Nazi Germany (100's of Blueshirts & Free Staters fought for them) allies who reduced the Basque capital of Guerrnica to rubble, would you call them terrorists?

    The flaw in your analogy is that the Muslim Brotherhood is a fascist organisation. He was not fighting/speaking out against fascists. He was standing toe to toe and addressing a 10,000 strong segregated rally full of them.


  • #5493
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    This is a bit odd. He was jailed for the duration of it. Puts meat on the bones of the fact that he tore up his original one though.


  • #5494
    Odyssey 2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,065 ✭✭✭✭Odyssey 2005


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    This is a bit odd. He was jailed for the duration of it. Puts meat on the bones of the fact that he tore up his original one though.

    Well would Ya look at that. It's nearly the little troublemakers birthday. I vote we send him 30 extra lashes as a pressie.:D


  • #5495
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    ihatemyfish wrote: »
    This case has been in the Irish media for over two years at this stage and not one journalists bothered to investigate and establish the facts. Instead, they have become mouthpieces for the family and repeat everything that they say as if it were gospel.

    That speaks volumes about the state of journalism in Ireland.

    The Irish media is the school yard bully of journalism. Whenever they're attacking something weak like the Catholic Church in Ireland or a rather unpopular government or its leader they go for the jugular. But whenever they meet a more threatening bully be it the jihadis or Pavee Point they play nicey-nice. It's been a long long time since an Irish journalist has properly echoed the views of the public at large. Many outside Dublin think this is the self-serving "Dublin media" but I assure you it's much worse than that. It's pathetic and worrying to have our country informed by a bunch of cowards.


  • #5496
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    This is a bit odd. He was jailed for the duration of it. Puts meat on the bones of the fact that he tore up his original one though.


    what year did his familiy move to ireland again?


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  • #5497
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    This is a bit odd. He was jailed for the duration of it. Puts meat on the bones of the fact that he tore up his original one though.

    His passport was only issued 24th November 2013 but expired 24th June 2014. Does that mean his family only got that passport to use as propoganda and to abuse the good nature of the department of foreign affairs?


  • #5498
    ihatemyfish
    Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭ihatemyfish


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    what year did his familiy move to ireland again?

    1996.

    .irishexaminer. com/ireland/they-are-beating-me-irish-woman-in-egypt-tells-family-240259.html


  • #5499
    ihatemyfish
    Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭ihatemyfish


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    His passport was only issued 24th November 2013 but expired 24th June 2014. Does that mean his family only got that passport to use as propoganda and to abuse the good nature of the department of foreign affairs?

    Probably a six month emergency passport.


  • #5500
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    ihatemyfish wrote: »
    1996.

    .irishexaminer. com/ireland/they-are-beating-me-irish-woman-in-egypt-tells-family-240259.html

    thats what i thought. Have they not always claimed he was born in Ireland?


  • #5501
    acb121
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭acb121


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    what year did his familiy move to ireland again?

    The family NEVER moved to Ireland.

    The only fact we have is that Jihadbraheem Halawa was born on 13th December 1995 and has an Irish passport. Outside of that we know nothing.

    This "family" never immigrated to Ireland.

    Somaia Halawa spent the first 22 years of her life in Egypt at the Halawa family home in Cairo. Somaia came to Ireland in around 2010 ( nobody knows on what sort of visa or passport or immigration status ) to visit her family and went home to Egypt supposedly for good in 2013 ( of course during her time in Ireland she may well have been to-ing and fro-ing )

    My suspicion is this.

    Daddy Halawa got into Ireland by making a claim political asylum ( the nasty wasty government of my home country are being nasty wasty to me because of my political views - Ah, you poor crater, come in and have some accomodation and money. Oh by the way, what are your political views ? - I want to depose the government to establish an Islamic theocracy along the lines of Saudi Arabia, with limb chopping and women in bin bags - Ah, you poor crater, persecuting you for your beliefs ).

    He could have lived in Ireland for an extended period before his claim was granted. At that point SOME OF THE family got on the gravy train, sorry, the plane.

    And on 13th December 1995 Daddy Halawa had tears in his eyes when being presented with the little bundle of joy that is the Parent Of An Irish Born Citizen Passport.

    The mother and at least one sister live in Cairo, in THE FAMILY HOME.

    They are not Irish. They are the sort of typical Jihadists who rattle the cage of the lion, knowing there is a fence and they have European passports and European uman rites.


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