Irish Teen Fears Execution in Egypt

DarkyHughes

denhaagenite wrote: »

Erm, there's a difference between being "a bit looney" and being radicalised. Of course he shouldn't be executed, but he should be punished for inciting violence and rioting, if that's what the Egyptians convict him of.

For inciting violence against a regime who seized power? Should people have been punished for inciting violence in Spain against Franco when he rebelled against the elected government of Spain?

ohnonotgmail

DarkyHughes wrote: »

I didn't say that.

So you don't want him to be executed by the junta, great so your not one of the people who thinks he should be executed.

who has said that he should be executed?

DarkyHughes

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

who has said that he should be executed?

People of the far-right.

DarkyHughes

welchywelch wrote: »

He was born in Egypt to Egyptian parents. He lived in Ireland thats all! Tell me if he was Irish what was he doing in Egypt trying to rally people to "fight with bullets" and "burn the place down"
Can you explain that please?

A lot of Israeli citizens were born in Eastern Europe countries to Eastern European parents.
There was actually a guy born in Belfast to Irish parents & he became a citizen of Israel without having any connection with the place so ever,

ohnonotgmail

DarkyHughes wrote: »

People of the far-right.

anybody on this thread?

ohnonotgmail

DarkyHughes wrote: »

A lot of Israeli citizens were born in Eastern Europe countries to Eastern European parents.
There was actually a guy born in Belfast to Irish parents & he became a citizen of Israel without having any connection with the place so ever,

perhaps because he was jewish?

DarkyHughes

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

perhaps because he was jewish?

Why should being a member of a certain religion make you a citizen of a country? Ireland was & still is just alot less a predominantly Catholic country. Should anyone who is a Catholic be allowed to become a citizen of Ireland just because their Catholic & no other reason?

foggy_lad

DarkyHughes wrote: »

I didn't say that.

So you don't want him to be executed by the junta, great so your not one of the people who thinks he should be executed.

He was not, is not and most likely never will be executed by the Junta.

He is also not being and is very unlikely to ever be subjected to torture in his Egyptian prison, unless they serve a good curry.

All this is just crap and scaremongering being put about by the likes of the Irish head of Amnasty International to further their own agenda.

DarkyHughes

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

anybody on this thread?

Well people on here are indirectly saying it. There saying he should be punished by the fascist junta. And being punished by fascist junta historically has been very brutal indeed. Ask the citizens of Chile or Republicans who opposed Franco's dictatorship & lived to tell about it.

DeadHand

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Well people on here are indirectly saying it

Quote one post from this thread directly or indirectly calling for the man's death.

DeadHand

DarkyHughes wrote: »

He sounds like Judith Ward. He probably has some mental health issues like she did.
But neither of them should have been punished for being a bit looney.

A "bit looney"? He was ranting about blood and bullets to a to a violent sectarian mob who had earlier been burning down churches and hunting Christians.

Should every person who incites sectarian violence and hatred and associates with terrorists get a free pass if they also happen to be "a bit looney"?

DarkyHughes

foggy_lad wrote: »

He was not, is not and most likely never will be executed by the Junta.

He is also not being and is very unlikely to ever be subjected to torture in his Egyptian prison, unless they serve a good curry.

All this is just crap and scaremongering being put about by the likes of the Irish head of Amnasty International to further their own agenda.

Oh, so their one of those nice military juntas.

See this the part were I'm lost. People thinking the military junta is in the right. And a illegitimate regime who seized power is right to punish someone who had the courage to stand up against this brutal regime.

Do you remember what military juntas have done in the past like the Argentine one invading the Falklands. There was very little I agreed with, with the Thatcher government but going to war of the Argentine military junta over the Falklands was one of them. Fascism should be fought against were ever it rears it's ugly head.

DeadHand

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Well people on here are indirectly saying it. There saying he should be punished by the fascist junta. And being punished by fascist junta historically has been very brutal indeed. Ask the citizens of Chile or Republicans who opposed Franco's dictatorship & lived to tell about it.

The MB (Halawis comrades) are a deeply sectarian, terrorist organisation that wish to impose oppressive, medieval laws on Eygptians and cull her religious minorities.

Spanish Republicans they aren't and the comparison is insulting to those who resisted Franco who, largely and unlike the MB, believed in freedom.

DarkyHughes

DeadHand wrote: »

A "bit looney"? He was ranting about blood and bullets to a to a violent sectarian mob who had earlier been burning down churches and hunting Christians.

Should every person who incites sectarian violence and hatred and associates with terrorists get a free pass if they also happen to be "a bit looney"?

There was a lot of people in the North of Ireland who incited sectarian violence against Catholics who went unpunished. George Seawright(a DUP supporter) said all Catholics should be exterminated & no legal action was taken against him. The Irish People's Liberation Organization (The IPLO) executed him tho mainly for those comments he made about Catholics. So he did face some justice in the end.

Did you support George Seawrigt.

DeadHand

DarkyHughes wrote: »

There was a lot of people in the North of Ireland who incited sectarian violence against Catholics who went unpunished. George Seawright(a DUP supporter) said all Catholics should be exterminated & no legal action was taken against him. The Irish People's Liberation Organization (The IPLO) executed him tho mainly for those comments he made about Catholics. So he did face some justice in the end.

That's a nice armchair Republican story but has zero to do with the matter at hand.

Do you stand by the opinion you expressed that Halawi should be allowed to incite hatred unpunished because you assume, without a shred of evidence, that he is a "bit looney"?

While I have you, will you quote a single post made on this thread calling for the noble, young Islamist's execution or will you just admit you were talking through your arse?

Beta Canis Majoris

DeadHand wrote: »

That's a nice armchair Republican story but has zero to do with the matter at hand.

Agreed. What a bizarre analogy.

ohnonotgmail

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Why should being a member of a certain religion make you a citizen of a country? Ireland was & still is just alot less a predominantly Catholic country. Should anyone who is a Catholic be allowed to become a citizen of Ireland just because their Catholic & no other reason?

you are aware that israel is a jewish state?

wendell borton

DarkyHughes wrote: »

. Fascism should be fought against were ever it rears it's ugly head.

The only half decent governments Egypt have had since antiquity have been military juntas, which have been left leaning rather than fascist. The real fascists are the MB.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Revolution_of_1952

end of the road

foggy_lad wrote: »

He was not, is not and most likely never will be executed by the Junta.

He is also not being and is very unlikely to ever be subjected to torture in his Egyptian prison, unless they serve a good curry.

All this is just crap and scaremongering being put about by the likes of the Irish head of Amnasty International to further their own agenda.

no its potentially the truth. never put anything past a military junta, they cannot be trusted

end of the road

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Oh, so their one of those nice military juntas.

See this the part were I'm lost. People thinking the military junta is in the right. And a illegitimate regime who seized power is right to punish someone who had the courage to stand up against this brutal regime.

Do you remember what military juntas have done in the past like the Argentine one invading the Falklands. There was very little I agreed with, with the Thatcher government but going to war of the Argentine military junta over the Falklands was one of them. Fascism should be fought against were ever it rears it's ugly head.

oh i don't know. the falklands are a drain on the british economy and contribute nothing. they should have been left to the argentines with an agreement the people would be allowed to leave. think about it, if she had never sent the bicycle tubed and taped together military down there she wouldn't have been reelected which would have been a good thing for all. sorry back to our boy now

end of the road

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you are aware that israel is a jewish state?

isn't that his point? the chap from belfast was given citizenship of israel simply for being jewish even though he had nothing to do with the place or no connection to it. so should we do the same for all catholics around the world? give them citizenship simply for being catholic?

AlekSmart

DeadHand wrote: »

That's a nice armchair Republican story but has zero to do with the matter at hand.

Do you stand by the opinion you expressed that Halawi should be allowed to incite hatred unpunished because you assume, without a shred of evidence, that he is a "bit looney"?

While I have you, will you quote a single post made on this thread calling for the noble, young Islamist's execution or will you just admit you were talking through your arse?

Darky Hughes has quite deftly attempted to downplay Mr Halawas own role in his downfall.

Ibrahim Halawa cannot,by any standards,be described as "a bit Looney".

Two years ago,young Mr Halawa was on the cusp of being accepted into UCD to study Architecture it seems....

http://www.thejournal.ie/four-irish-citizens-in-cairo-may-be-released-this-afternoon-1043512-Aug2013/

The sibling’s sister Nusayba told RTÉ’s Morning Ireland that she was fearful that Ibrahim, who was due to receive his CAO offer today, was being beaten.

There is,of course,an outside chance that the younger Halawa was in fact intending to study Idiocy or Activism,both of which would have a requirement for being a "bit looney" as a qualifier.

DarkyHughes

end of the road wrote: »

no its potentially the truth. never put anything past a military junta, they cannot be trusted

There's no point trying to reason with these far-right people. You try to find some common ground & all they is try to pick holes in your post.

It was the same when the 3 Sinn Fein men went to try to offer some political advise to the guerrilla's their. The right in Ireland nearly wanted them hanged.

DarkyHughes

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you are aware that israel is a jewish state?

OMG.

See this what I was talking in my previous post. There's just no point in trying to reason with these people, all they is make snide comments.

AlekSmart

DarkyHughes wrote: »

There's no point trying to reason with these far-right people. You try to find some common ground & all they is try to pick holes in your post.

It was the same when the 3 Sinn Fein men went to try to offer some political advise to the guerrilla's their. The right in Ireland nearly wanted them hanged.

The common-ground is this lad is in an Egyptian jail,facing serious charges under Egyptian law.

The hole picking pertains to why he chose to remain in an Egyptian Jail,when the Irish Consulate had negotiated a release for the entire family.

Continuing with the hole picking,brings us to asking the Halawa sisters to explain the very obvious inconsistencies in their many on-line accusations against the Irish Government,when the facts point to a consular involvement far in excess of what other Irish citizens have been provided with in previous occurences.

The adventures of the "3 Sinn Féin man" has sweet FA to do with this thread,but can,of course,be fully debated,by right and left, in a thread of it's own ?

ohnonotgmail

end of the road wrote: »

isn't that his point? the chap from belfast was given citizenship of israel simply for being jewish even though he had nothing to do with the place or no connection to it. so should we do the same for all catholics around the world? give them citizenship simply for being catholic?

ireland wasnt establish as a catholic homeland so his analogy sucks.

ohnonotgmail

DarkyHughes wrote: »

There's no point trying to reason with these far-right people. You try to find some common ground & all they is try to pick holes in your post.

It was the same when the 3 Sinn Fein men went to try to offer some political advise to the guerrilla's their. The right in Ireland nearly wanted them hanged.

funniest thing i've seen on boards for a while. thanks for the laugh

foggy_lad

DarkyHughes wrote: »

There was a lot of people in the North of Ireland who incited sectarian violence against Catholics who went unpunished. George Seawright(a DUP supporter) said all Catholics should be exterminated & no legal action was taken against him. The Irish People's Liberation Organization (The IPLO) executed him tho mainly for those comments he made about Catholics. So he did face some justice in the end.

Did you support George Seawrigt.

Ah now we see what side of the fence your bread is buttered!

As far as you are concerned Justice can be meted out by an illegal terrorist organisation, much like an illegal Junta restoring law and order after a takeover, no?

Whatever your Paramilitary/provo alliances/allegiances might be it has nothing to do with the current situation of this criminal currently in jail in Egypt.

in fact using your analagy it would be perfectly Just for the Egyptians to execute this guy for what he has been saying online and in public anti-government rallies.

darkpagandeath

end of the road wrote: »

isn't that his point? the chap from belfast was given citizenship of israel simply for being jewish even though he had nothing to do with the place or no connection to it. so should we do the same for all catholics around the world? give them citizenship simply for being catholic?

Your man has an Egyptian passport as he is Egyptian And even if one shouts that down. He is Egyptian though decent I.e. His entire family.

end of the road

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

ireland wasnt establish as a catholic homeland so his analogy sucks.

it doesn't. his point is valid