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Irish Teen Fears Execution in Egypt

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    #4862
    Means Of Escape
    Registered Users Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭Means Of Escape


    RichardCeann wrote: »
    Postponed again until the 4th of October.

    http://www.newstalk.com/Ibrahim-Halawa-to-face-trial-in-Cairo-today

    It would have been done and dusted long ago if there wasn't representation from the Irish government and the media attention


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    #4863
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Means Of Escape wrote: »
    It would have been done and dusted long ago if there wasn't representation from the Irish government and the media attention

    I would just say it's only the misguided media attention.


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    #4864
    Aineoil
    Registered Users Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Aineoil


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I would just say it's only the misguided media attention.

    Why do you think the media attention is misguided?


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    #4865
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Aineoil wrote: »
    Why do you think the media attention is misguided?

    The lies ?


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    #4866
    Aineoil
    Registered Users Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Aineoil


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    The lies ?

    What lies ?


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    #4867
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Aineoil wrote: »
    What lies ?

    Maybe read the thread ?


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    #4868
    Means Of Escape
    Registered Users Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭Means Of Escape


    Aineoil wrote: »
    Why do you think the media attention is misguided?

    Indeed and I'll warrant the guy knew that with dual passports he would be "alright" in the event of the sh1t hitting the fan.

    I think the government should send a rep to every Irish citizen who found themselves in jail in other countries for speaking out against that country's government


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    #4869
    Means Of Escape
    Registered Users Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭Means Of Escape


    Aineoil wrote: »
    What lies ?

    You think the guy has told all the facts about his participation in the protests?!
    He more than likely has been informed on .
    You would be told what you need to know
    Is he as pure as the driven snow?
    A lot of red faces when the evidence against him comes out me thinks.


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    #4870
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    Mark Daly of Fianna Fáil is so desperate to raise his profile that he just wasted hard pressed Irish taxpayers cash expensing a trip to Egypt to visit the Muslim Brotherhood terrorist Halawa

    The fool Daly then makes an outrageous statement that Enda Kenny - An Taoiseach should intervene directly and request a presidential pardon for the sneaky Halawa

    Between the naive Irish media and selective opportunist Irish politicians the informed Irish citizens patience is wearing thin.

    Roll on October, turn the spit.


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    #4871
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    my friend wrote: »
    Mark Daly of Fianna Fáil is so desperate to raise his profile that he just wasted hard pressed Irish taxpayers cash expensing a trip to Egypt to visit the Muslim Brotherhood terrorist Halawa

    The fool Daly then makes an outrageous statement that Enda Kenny - An Taoiseach should intervene directly and request a presidential pardon for the sneaky Halawa

    Between the naive Irish media and selective opportunist Irish politicians the informed Irish citizens patience is wearing thin.

    Roll on October, turn the spit.

    Hang on would it not be the President here requesting a presidential pardon off the other president ?


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    #4872
    lanos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭lanos


    maybe it has been mentioned before on this rather long thread but if the Taoiseach intervenes, then would the Irish passport become the holy grail for every foreign malcontent looking to cause trouble abroad. we have enough trouble with immigration as it is. furthermore how did this individual get an irish passport. was he granted asylum or was he a son of an asylum seeker, if so why was he protesting in Egypt.
    i'll say what everybody is thinking.
    All Irish citizens are NOT created equal.


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    #4873
    Means Of Escape
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    lanos wrote: »
    maybe it has been mentioned before on this rather long thread but if the Taoiseach intervenes, then would the Irish passport become the holy grail for every foreign malcontent looking to cause trouble abroad. we have enough trouble with immigration as it is. furthermore how did this individual get an irish passport. was he granted asylum or was he a son of an asylum seeker, if so why was he protesting in Egypt.
    i'll say what everybody is thinking.
    All Irish citizens are NOT created equal.

    Further to your queries it also begs the question whether the chap entered Egypt on his Irish or Egyptian passport ?


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    #4874
    Means Of Escape
    Registered Users Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭Means Of Escape


    I could appreciate a Nigerian/Vietnamese etc naturalised citizen who holds a passport getting help from the government after being arrested on a cycling tour of Russia etc and arrested in the wrong
    However for a chap who packs his bags to go to Egypt to protest against the government knowing as an Egyptian the consequences of his actions it seems bizarre he seeks help from the Irish government
    Surely he was protesting as an Egyptian national and not an Irish national.
    Had Morsi remained in power was he intending to return and surrender his Irish passport.?
    It's wrong that he won't face the music following his actions
    I don't think his Irish citizenship should be used as a get out of jail card when others who protested shoulder to shoulder haven't that luxury .
    i think the fact that he holds an Irish passport holds no currency in Egypt given his actions


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    #4875
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Means Of Escape wrote: »
    Further to your queries it also begs the question whether the chap entered Egypt on his Irish or Egyptian passport ?

    Why would you use An Irish passport and have to get a visa when you have a perfectly good Egyptian one ?


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    #4876
    Means Of Escape
    Registered Users Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭Means Of Escape


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Why would you use An Irish passport and have to get a visa when you have a perfectly good Egyptian one ?[/quote

    I most certainly would given the purpose of my trip .


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    #4877
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    I've asked Lynn Boylan about this pre-existing heart condition he suddenly got. A few months ago they wanted him tested to see if he had a hereditary condition that his dad has. He hasn't had access to a doctor at all apparently, except for a "prisoner" who luckily was a doctor who treated his hand.

    How did he go from possibly having a hereditary condition to having a pre-existing condition?? Was there a prisoner that used to be an ECG machine???

    The amount of lies coming out and tripping them up is phenomenal.


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    #4878
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,413 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Why would you use An Irish passport and have to get a visa when you have a perfectly good Egyptian one ?

    as a person with dual citizenship entering ones of the countries he has citizenship for he is obliged to use the passport of that country.


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    #4879
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,413 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I've asked Lynn Boylan about this pre-existing heart condition he suddenly got. A few months ago they wanted him tested to see if he had a hereditary condition that his dad has. He hasn't had access to a doctor at all apparently, except for a "prisoner" who luckily was a doctor who treated his hand.

    How did he go from possibly having a hereditary condition to having a pre-existing condition?? Was there a prisoner that used to be an ECG machine???

    The amount of lies coming out and tripping them up is phenomenal.

    so basically they dont know if he has a heart condition at all.


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    #4880
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    so basically they dont know if he has a heart condition at all.

    Not sure, strangely she didn't answer that one.


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    #4881
    Roger McAllen
    Registered Users Posts: 22 ✭Roger McAllen


    Why hasn't the thread title been modified in almost 5000 posts?


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    #4882
    K.Flyer
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    [..]
    The amount of lies coming out and tripping them up is phenomenal.

    The words "straws" and "clutching" spring to mind the more I read about them.


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    #4883
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Roger McAllen wrote: »
    Why hasn't the thread title been modified in almost 5000 posts?

    No idea, As it appears the chap would of had to of entered Egypt on his Egyptian passport. So Should be Egyptian teen.


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    #4884
    Means Of Escape
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    No idea, As it appears the chap would of had to of entered Egypt on his Egyptian passport. So Should be Egyptian teen.

    Correct


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    #4885
    Wright
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭Wright


    Horrendous. Enda is too busy defending Irish Water though, sorry chap.
    whirlpool wrote: »
    Jesus ****ing Christ.

    Some governments should just be bombed and be done with them once and for all.

    What an evil, evil group of monsters.

    Is it ok to call someone an ignorant fool if its a closed account? :D


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    #4886
    Wright
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭Wright


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    No idea, As it appears the chap would of had to of entered Egypt on his Egyptian passport. So Should be Egyptian teen.

    Eh no. It's nowhere as clear cut as that. I have an Irish passport but wouldn't consider myself Irish.


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    #4887
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Wright wrote: »
    Horrendous. Enda is too busy defending Irish Water though, sorry chap.



    Is it ok to call someone an ignorant fool if its a closed account? :D

    Some seem to want the MB in charge.


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    #4888
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Wright wrote: »
    Eh no. It's nowhere as clear cut as that. I have an Irish passport but wouldn't consider myself Irish.

    His entire family Is Egyptian it's even been suggested he was not even born here as the dates do not match. I would wager him on the old phone vid going on about coming home speaks more than our opinion of where he comes from.


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    #4889
    Wright
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭Wright


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Maybe read the thread ?

    5000 posts?

    You've got a weird strawman going on; if I was in the same situation my family would swear that I'm Santa Claus to get me out if they thought that would work. Weird thing to get hung up on, whether the heart issue is real or not; they're trying to save their son/brother.

    I suppose you feel he deserves death for the unforgivable sin of lying?


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    #4890
    Wright
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭Wright


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    His entire family Is Egyptian it's even been suggested he was not even born here as the dates do not match. I would wager him on the old phone vid going on about coming home speaks more than our opinion of where he comes from.

    A passport does not necessarily make you be to that country, identify as someone from that country. I know people with dual nationalities in terms of passports and they aren't schizophrenic.


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    #4891
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Wright wrote: »
    5000 posts?

    You've got a weird strawman going on; if I was in the same situation my family would swear that I'm Santa Claus to get me out if they thought that would work. Weird thing to get hung up on, whether the heart issue is real or not; they're trying to save their son/brother.

    I suppose you feel he deserves death for the unforgivable sin of lying?

    Who called for the death penalty now ? Maybe look up what he has been up to on his holiday. Doing all them gang signs then once stuff goes south trying to stick a GAA top on.


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