Irish Teen Fears Execution in Egypt

lanos

weldoninhio wrote: »

Jesus, he'd a sore back this time and could hardly stand according to his sister. So he's got, so far, a shot hand that got no medical treatment, a heart defect that's gone untreated and now a bad back. What next? Ingrown toenail? Ingrown hair, heard they're terrible? I reckon something to do with his eyes will be the next medical emergency he has.

a family of spoofers it would seem

or as Fr Jack Hacket would say
a shower of bastards

Odyssey 2005

Lead poisoning or rope burn, that'll cure him.

hatrickpatrick

323 wrote: »

What right has our government to dictate to the Criminal justice system of another sovereign country?

Amazed that people are still referring to the current Egyptian regime as if it was a legitimate government and not a military junta which has violently crushed political opposition.

Alexis Sanchez

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Amazed that people are still referring to the current Egyptian regime as if it was a legitimate government and not a military junta which has violently crushed political opposition.

I'm amazed people are still defending an Islamic fundamentalist regime that tried to give themselves unlimited powers, while criticizing the military for legally seizing power, as per the Egyptian constitution, because the majority of Egyptians wanted Morsi out, hence the protests preceding the coup.

WarZ

Alexis Sanchez wrote: »

I'm amazed people are still defending an Islamic fundamentalist regime that tried to give themselves unlimited powers, while criticizing the military for legally seizing power, as per the Egyptian constitution, because the majority of Egyptians wanted Morsi out, hence the protests preceding the coup.

Funny how things change huh?

When that teenager went over the wide consensus in the western media was that Mubarak was a brutal dictator and that popular elections should bring whatever party wins to power. Halawi was a vocal proponent of that.

Now this same teenager is vilified for supporting the party that at the time the majority of Egyptians supported and eventually world leaders supported.

Is Halawi or indeed the majority of the Egyptian population who voted for them responsible for Morsi completely doing a 360 on all his promises?

At the end of the day, a military junta has seized power. The trials are completely unjust. He's an Irish citizen whether some here like it or not. This thread has turned into a cess pool full of hatred from a lot of posters who clearly have massive personal issues to invoke such hatred towards other individuals because of their religion or skin colour (that is not targeted at the poster I quoted by the way)

hatrickpatrick

Alexis Sanchez wrote: »

I'm amazed people are still defending an Islamic fundamentalist regime that tried to give themselves unlimited powers, while criticizing the military for legally seizing power, as per the Egyptian constitution, because the majority of Egyptians wanted Morsi out, hence the protests preceding the coup.

Legitimately deposing somebody is quite a separate matter to what happened afterwards - the banning of a legitimate political organisation and the brutal suppression of people's legitimate right to protest and dissent. The military junta is an absolute disgrace, as is the West's tolerance of them and willingness to do business with them.

SeanW

WarZ wrote: »

Funny how things change huh?

When that teenager went over the wide consensus in the western media was that Mubarak was a brutal dictator and that popular elections should bring whatever party wins to power. Halawi was a vocal proponent of that.

Now this same teenager is vilified for supporting the party that at the time the majority of Egyptians supported and eventually world leaders supported.

Is Halawi or indeed the majority of the Egyptian population who voted for them responsible for Morsi completely doing a 360 on all his promises?

At the end of the day, a military junta has seized power. The trials are completely unjust. He's an Irish citizen whether some here like it or not. This thread has turned into a cess pool full of hatred from a lot of posters who clearly have massive personal issues to invoke such hatred towards other individuals because of their religion or skin colour (that is not targeted at the poster I quoted by the way)

The majority of Germans voted for the National Socialist German Workers Party (aka NSDAP, Nazis) in 1933. The legitimacy of those elections and the leadership of the subsequent victor was recognised worldwide. Hell, some football teams even made Nazi salutes in 1936. It was not a good idea, indeed it ended rather badly for all concerned. The Egyptian elections were the same, the victor of those elections has a broadly similar world view to the Nazis and the Islamist/Nazi ideologies (around Jews, gay people etc) are almost indistinguishable.

You can despise Nazis without being racist against white people or being Teutophobic. Indeed, despising Nazis is perfectly rational and healthy.

Likewise, you can oppose Islamists (like Mr. Halawa) without being racist against brown people or being 'Islamophobic'. As with Naziism, there are good reasons to despise Islamists, and they're the same reasons.

323

WarZ wrote: »

Funny how things change huh?

When that teenager went over the wide consensus in the western media was that Mubarak was a brutal dictator and that popular elections should bring whatever party wins to power. Halawi was a vocal proponent of that.

Now this same teenager is vilified for supporting the party that at the time the majority of Egyptians supported and eventually world leaders supported.

Is Halawi or indeed the majority of the Egyptian population who voted for them responsible for Morsi completely doing a 360 on all his promises?

At the end of the day, a military junta has seized power. The trials are completely unjust. He's an Irish citizen whether some here like it or not. This thread has turned into a cess pool full of hatred from a lot of posters who clearly have massive personal issues to invoke such hatred towards other individuals because of their religion or skin colour (that is not targeted at the poster I quoted by the way)

Funny indeed, how this guy is continuously referred to as a teenager, as if he is a child. In most of the world, even Ireland I believe, he's of an age to be treated as an adult.

So. Regardless of skin color, religion, being an Irish citizen or not, he's therefore responsibility for his own actions.

Rather than wasting consular time on this guy just because he holds an Irish passport. Think it time Ireland should be considering legislation similar to what Denmark is introducing, Denmark to get tough on foreign fighters' 'treason'

darkpagandeath

323 wrote: »

Funny indeed, how this guy is continuously referred to as a teenager, as if he is a child. In most of the world, even Ireland I believe, he's of an age to be treated as an adult.

So. Regardless of skin color, religion, being an Irish citizen or not, he's therefore responsibility for his own actions.

Rather than wasting consular time on this guy just because he holds an Irish passport. Think it time Ireland should be considering legislation similar to what Denmark is introducing, Denmark to get tough on foreign fighters' 'treason'

Apparently he is very naive and stupid, even though being an Engineering student.

WarZ

Maybe boards.ie should close this thread, there are posters literally cheerleading the execution of a 19 year old Irish citizen. It's a bit of a sick thread and reflects on the boards.ie community very badly in my opinion.

It's only a matter of time before major media outlets pick up on this thread with posters calling for his execution, expressing their sadness he called off his hunger strike and is still alive and labelling Ibrahim and his family everything from being scum to terrorists etc.

darkpagandeath

WarZ wrote: »

Maybe boards.ie should close this thread, there are posters literally cheerleading the execution of a 19 year old Irish citizen. It's a bit of a sick thread and reflects on the boards.ie community very badly in my opinion.

It's only a matter of time before major media outlets pick up on this thread with posters calling for his execution, expressing their sadness he called off his hunger strike and is still alive and labelling Ibrahim and his family everything from being scum to terrorists etc.

Not going to happen is that back seat modding ? And link to a poster who has said anything near what one has claimed. Major media would do well to look at this thread as they seem to have zero clue about what the trip was actually about.

WarZ

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Not going to happen is that back seat modding ? And link to a poster who has said anything near what one has claimed. Major media would do well to look at this thread as they seem to have zero clue about what the trip was actually about.

There is plenty of them in the last 3 pages even. I am not going to waste a minute doing anything for the likes of you.

darkpagandeath

WarZ wrote: »

There is plenty of them in the last 3 pages even. I am not going to waste a minute doing anything for the likes of you.

What's that supposed to mean ?

hatrickpatrick

WarZ wrote: »

Maybe boards.ie should close this thread, there are posters literally cheerleading the execution of a 19 year old Irish citizen. It's a bit of a sick thread and reflects on the boards.ie community very badly in my opinion.

It's only a matter of time before major media outlets pick up on this thread with posters calling for his execution, expressing their sadness he called off his hunger strike and is still alive and labelling Ibrahim and his family everything from being scum to terrorists etc.

And that's a good thing. If there's no opportunity to debate people with opposing views, there's never a possibility of either understanding them or changing them.

This is why I generally oppose moderation on controversy or "I think we'll leave it there" grounds. Debates need to be had.

In this case, I'm trying to understand how anyone can side with a military dictatorship which has banned political parties in a manner which the Western world has long recognised as unacceptably repressive, and denied the right to free assembly and protest which the Western world has long recognised as a fundamental human right.

This guy went over there to fight for ideals which Europe and the United States purport to support in repressed nations. For that reason alone we should be opposing his execution or conviction.

Would anyone who is argue against him care to explain exactly what they believe he has done wrong? Is the right to protest not a fundamental human right?

WarZ

darkpagandeath wrote: »

What's that supposed to mean ?

Oh aren't you very smart... :rolleyes:

WarZ

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

And that's a good thing. If there's no opportunity to debate people with opposing views, there's never a possibility of either understanding them or changing them.

This is why I generally oppose moderation on controversy or "I think we'll leave it there" grounds. Debates need to be had.

In this case, I'm trying to understand how anyone can side with a military dictatorship which has banned political parties in a manner which the Western world has long recognised as unacceptably repressive, and denied the right to free assembly and protest which the Western world has long recognised as a fundamental human right.

This guy went over there to fight for ideals which Europe and the United States purport to support in repressed nations. For that reason alone we should be opposing his execution or conviction.

Would anyone who is argue against him care to explain exactly what they believe he has done wrong? Is the right to protest not a fundamental human right?

It's more just the fact that some of the comments it has been attracting are absolutely disgusting and really reflect badly on the boards.ie community.

darkpagandeath

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

And that's a good thing. If there's no opportunity to debate people with opposing views, there's never a possibility of either understanding them or changing them.

This is why I generally oppose moderation on controversy or "I think we'll leave it there" grounds. Debates need to be had.

In this case, I'm trying to understand how anyone can side with a military dictatorship which has banned political parties in a manner which the Western world has long recognised as unacceptably repressive, and denied the right to free assembly and protest which the Western world has long recognised as a fundamental human right.

This guy went over there to fight for ideals which Europe and the United States purport to support in repressed nations. For that reason alone we should be opposing his execution or conviction.

Would anyone who is argue against him care to explain exactly what they believe he has done wrong? Is the right to protest not a fundamental human right?

None of the going over to protest is true apparently they were on holiday. Protest are fine, Governments tend to not like the whole burning buildings down killing police and military personnel funny that. Snipers were shooting off the top of the building they were caught in. Inciting violence is generally frowned on here as well.

darkpagandeath

WarZ wrote: »

It's more just the fact that some of the comments it has been attracting are absolutely disgusting and really reflect badly on the boards.ie community.

Then one will have no problem quoting them.

WarZ

Citizen2011 wrote: »

I thought the little hero was on hunger strike. How come he's still alive.

Just one page back.

darkpagandeath

WarZ wrote: »

Just one page back.

Then link.

WarZ

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Then link.

emmm....are you unable to read?

jesus just read the actual quoted that I quoted. Some people should use their head more

darkpagandeath

WarZ wrote: »

emmm....are you unable to read?

jesus just read the actual quoted that I quoted. Some people should use their head more

:pac:

So that's a no to providing any prof of what is being said. Funny that. There is a report button as well if post are offensive.

WarZ

darkpagandeath wrote: »

:pac:

So that's a no to providing any prof of what is being said. Funny that. There is a report button as well if post are offensive.

I think this has gone completely over your head.

the 'one page back' is underneath a quoted post that proves exactly what I was saying.

Slow day chief?

darkpagandeath

WarZ wrote: »

I think this has gone completely over your head.

the 'one page back' is underneath a quoted post that proves exactly what I was saying.

Slow day chief?

Depends on loads of stuff the one page back. Including how many post you have selected per page for example. If your on a phone or tablet as well. So why not just link it ? His family Reported he is on hunger strike.

ohnonotgmail

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

And that's a good thing. If there's no opportunity to debate people with opposing views, there's never a possibility of either understanding them or changing them.

This is why I generally oppose moderation on controversy or "I think we'll leave it there" grounds. Debates need to be had.

In this case, I'm trying to understand how anyone can side with a military dictatorship which has banned political parties in a manner which the Western world has long recognised as unacceptably repressive, and denied the right to free assembly and protest which the Western world has long recognised as a fundamental human right.

This guy went over there to fight for ideals which Europe and the United States purport to support in repressed nations. For that reason alone we should be opposing his execution or conviction.

Would anyone who is argue against him care to explain exactly what they believe he has done wrong? Is the right to protest not a fundamental human right?

the right to violent protest is not a fundamental right in any country. the ideals he went over to fight for amounted to a dictatorship imposed by Morsi.

WarZ

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Depends on loads of stuff the one page back. Including how many post you have selected per page for example. If your on a phone or tablet as well. So why not just link it ? His family Reported he is on hunger strike.

I still don't think you're getting it mate!

If you actually read the post that I posted you will see I have DIRECTLY quoted one such comment.

I can't make this any clearer for you.

darkpagandeath

WarZ wrote: »

I still don't think you're getting it mate!

If you actually read the post that I posted you will see I have DIRECTLY quoted one such comment.

I can't make this any clearer for you.

Yes I have seen it, And I'm asking for one to link post claiming posters where calling for a persons execution. He has apparently been on hunger strike a very very long time.

end of the road

323 wrote: »

OK, so this man, (he's not a kid) goes there to stir up trouble and commit violence.

he went to protest

323 wrote: »

Gets caught, and pulls an Irish passport like its some kind of get out of jail free card!

he didn't. he used his irish passport to be deported but then couldn't go because the military were going to kill egyptian citizens left in the mosq once all foreigners left.

323 wrote: »

What right has our government to dictate to the Criminal justice system of another sovereign country?

every right when that country is ruled by a corrupt government, and has a non functioning justice system that doesn't live up to the high standards expected of such justice system.

323 wrote: »

So his day in court has been postponed nine times! Ever consider that this could be because the Egyptian criminal justice system is just massively overrun dealing with tossers like this.

no, it would be something else rather then being over run dealing with protesters.

end of the road

Alexis Sanchez wrote: »

I'm amazed people are still defending an Islamic fundamentalist regime that tried to give themselves unlimited powers, while criticizing the military for legally seizing power, as per the Egyptian constitution, because the majority of Egyptians wanted Morsi out, hence the protests preceding the coup.

they were democratically elected. democracy worked. its not as if you actually care about the MB considering you support the military junta who are effectively the same

darkpagandeath

end of the road wrote: »

he went to protest



he didn't. he used his irish passport to be deported but then couldn't go because the military were going to kill egyptian citizens left in the mosq once all foreigners left.



every right when that country is ruled by a corrupt government, and has a non functioning justice system that doesn't live up to the high standards expected of such justice system.



no, it would be something else rather then being over run dealing with protesters.

That's a blatant lie, the military were actually protecting those inside form the lads whose property they had been burning down in the area. Did one forget the snipers on the roof as well ?

On the second point so we should storm the Dail now as well ? Our legal system is terrible. Loads of human rights abuse here Ireland has been infront of the UN recently.