Irish Teen Fears Execution in Egypt

Beano

end of the road wrote: »

it will, as the case will have been false evidence put forward. as the supposed crime which wasn't a crime was made up by a corrupt military junta any judgitial decisian bar throwing out is illegitimate and invalid

have you seen the evidence?

end of the road

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Why do we feel the need to hand out "Citizenship" (right to vote + Passport, cant be deported + right to protection and safe passage when abroad) as opposed to passport. Everyone who ends up here? I remember the Bosnian here in the late 90's. They came here, they all worked hard and their kids worked hard at school and got good places in college and when they were done and the War over. They went home. I never heard a word about them (10k) in the press court pages. I feel that we did our little bit to help a nation rebuild. Other ethnicities less so,

Now I understand "Passports for sale scheme" in the 1980's (invest £1m in Irish business get free passport). That was fair enough. We are not a colonial race. There is no Obligation to hand out passport for everyone. Although once last few immigrants arrive the shutters are coming down on citizenship. This was the plan of Minister Shatter. Want an Irish Passport? €5m seems like a fair price.

€5m is way over inflated. the current system where things are done on a case by case basis is the best one and works well. the amounts deported from here are higher then the few who get citizenship

skooterblue2

FactCheck wrote: »

Also again people understand that saying "he chose to go there he should obeyed their laws" is nonsense because at the start of the summer when he went there, Egypt was a fledging democracy witnessing the aftermath of their first legitimate elections?

The Dept of Foreign Affairs has always had an alert on Egypt, except for Sharem El Sheik. Then while he was there they extended it to all of Egypt. His Father is a Sheik and his Grandparent live in Egypt. Who better to advise you of what is going on. If he accepted the deal in the Mosque he would have been under the diplomatic protection of the Irish ambassador. This would have given hom the protection to arrive home. Notice how the sisters scampered the first chance they got and decided not to hang on.

You heard the joke from years ago? Garry Glitter was caught doing something he should nt be doing in Vietnam. "They dont normally celebrate Christmas in Vietnam but this year they will hang Glitter". British Foreign Office didnt step in. Money was paid but not by BFO. I dont know where people get the idea you can go abroad and act like a thug and not have consequences. Once you step in another country you immediately accept their law and customs. You are out in Saudi, women cover up and you observe their customs like Ramadan.

reprise

end of the road wrote: »

€5m is way over inflated. the current system where things are done on a case by case basis is the best one and works well. the amounts deported from here are higher then the few who get citizenship

Here's a link to one ceremony last year where 4000 people became citizens:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/new-irish-eyes-are-smiling-as-4000-become-citizens-30408260.html

It would be nice to see a link to prove deportations exceeded this figure alone in 2014.

Thanks in advance.

end of the road

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I dont know where people get the idea you can go abroad and act like a thug and not have consequences.

he wasn't acting like a thug. the military junta vermin on the other hand, are thugs

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Once you step in another country you immediately accept their law and customs. You are out in Saudi, women cover up and you observe their customs.

no, when in saudi, you just make it look like you respect their laws, but really you have contempt for them as you should. sespits like saudi don't deserve respect. countries which restrict their citizens human rights, slaughter their citizens, and the rest deserve nothing but contempt.

skooterblue2

FactCheck wrote: »

I expect them to do what they are doing and what's apparently pissing so many people off. I expect them to see the kid has a prompt and legitimate trial. I expect the attendance of the Ambassador at the trial. I expect continued international pressure on the dictatorship.

Whaooo there cowboy. Ease up on the pressure before you go in there with both guns blazing. You got a kid there who was organising a coup. who got a deal and didnt take it.

Now considering he got offered a free pass and didn't take it. The Proximity of the Suez canal to Egypt, Beef from ireland to Egypt, also IT, telecoms pharmaceutical and medical devices and the previously flourishing tourist trade. This guy is small fry and he got his chance and it is gone. He is now an afterrhought after making the Irish Ambassador lookf foolish and her job is hard enough being a woman in an Arab land. Dont peeve the establish ment there we might need them for a real call one day.

Jawgap

end of the road wrote: »

he wasn't acting like a thug. the military junta vermin on the other hand, are thugs



no, when in saudi, you just make it look like you respect their laws, but really you have contempt for them as you should. sespits like saudi don't deserve respect. countries which restrict their citizens human rights, slaughter their citizens, and the rest deserve nothing but contempt.

I'd say the Mutawa would make short work of anyone they thought was even remotely contemptuous of their laws.

It's common courtesy when your a visitor to respect local laws and customs - if you don't agree with them, don't go; if you go, it's their turf, their game and their rules.

skooterblue2

Jawgap wrote: »

Sounds like you need to get yourself out there and make sure he benefits from your penetrating insights into the Egyptian prosecution processes

Lets have a whip around for EOTR to go over there and call the Military Government out. That Junta need to be sorted out good and proper and i think EOTR is just the guy to do it. So get yourself a good book on Military law and start prepping.

By the way how many of ye looked up who is father was and the Videos I posted? How many of ye think that Egyptian Intelligence services knew he was coming to Egypt? How many thought that they were keeping and eye on hom and the sisters before they all made their speeches? ...... Boys and girls when you go on holidays, be nice to your hosts, dont p1ss in the poll or start a riot and you will go home with happy memories.

end of the road

skooterblue2 wrote: »

You got a kid there who was organising a coup.

wrong. he wasn't organizing anything

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Now considering he got offered a free pass and didn't take it. The Proximity of the Suez canal to Egypt, Beef from ireland to Egypt, also IT, telecoms pharmaceutical and medical devices and the previously flourishing tourist trade. This guy is small fry and he got his chance and it is gone.

the embacitor seems to disagree with you seeing as she is doing all she can, which is little admitidly. anyway quite frankly if egypt did stop buying beef from us it wouldn't be the end of the world, a bit inconvenient but really they would be no major loss.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

He is now an afterrhought after making the Irish Ambassador lookf foolish and her job is hard enough being a woman in an Arab land.

clearly he isn't. her job is supposed to be hard its she what she signed up for and obviously wants to do.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Dont peeve the establish ment there we might need them for a real call one day.

are you having a ****ing laugh? you honestly think we'd turn to a country like egypt for help? they can't even help themselves, and they slaughter their own citizens. peave them off away.

skooterblue2

Jawgap wrote: »

I'd say the Mutawa would make short work of anyone they thought was even remotely contemptuous of their laws.

It's common courtesy when your a visitor to respect local laws and customs - if you don't agree with them, don't go; if you go, it's their turf, their game and their rules.

Go back there again? You are out in Sinagpore and you act the gombeen they dont give you a fine... they give you corporal punishment by whipping you with a bamboo cane. You are out in Saudi they cut off hands and give you 5 lashes per day until the judgement is full filled. Tou have a good long think about steeping over the line over there. The Irish Ambassador will say "they are very concerned" and that is it, cant interfere.

Anyone remember Brian Keenan circa 1980's? from Belfast Irish citizen in Beriut? Journalist accussed of spying for the CIA and they held him for YEARS maybe 8? Irish government wouldnt do a thing to help but they were very concerned. They used it at every turn to call a meeting and when they were done .... Lets talk about you buying some beef. Brian Keenan was no Choir boy either. He knew the game he was playing and he paid the price.

This boy was no dope either getting engineering in UCD and he knew the stakes. Claiming he didnt is a stupid as when you are broke from playing at a Casino asking for your money back.

end of the road

Jawgap wrote: »

I'd say the Mutawa would make short work of anyone they thought was even remotely contemptuous of their laws.

It's common courtesy when your a visitor to respect local laws and customs - if you don't agree with them, don't go; if you go, it's their turf, their game and their rules.

saudi doesn't deserve to be respected. i'd agree people should stay away from it but those who show that country the contempt it deserves gets respect from me.

end of the road

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Lets have a whip around for EOTR to go over there and call the Military Government out. That Junta need to be sorted out good and proper and i think EOTR is just the guy to do it. So get yourself a good book on Military law and start prepping.

By the way how many of ye looked up who is father was and the Videos I posted? How many of ye think that Egyptian Intelligence services knew he was coming to Egypt? How many thought that they were keeping and eye on hom and the sisters before they all made their speeches? ...... Boys and girls when you go on holidays, be nice to your hosts, dont p1ss in the poll or start a riot and you will go home with happy memories.

unless they are corrupt dictatorships, military juntas, or just general scumbag governments, who if so they don't deserve respect

reprise

end of the road wrote: »

saudi doesn't deserve to be respected. i'd agree people should stay away from it but those who show that country the contempt it deserves gets respect from me.

Would that not make them racists or something by your own generous definition?

end of the road

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Go back there again? You are out in Sinagpore and you act the gombeen they dont give you a fine... they give you corporal punishment by whipping you with a bamboo cane. You are out in Saudi they cut off hands and give you 5 lashes per day until the judgement is full filled.

which makes them sespits

skooterblue2 wrote: »

you have a good long think about steeping over the line over there.

the locals don't. this nonsense is rife over in those countries, seems like they don't work.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

The Irish Ambassador will say "they are very concerned" and that is it, cant interfere.

you don't know what they will do behind the sceenes. you also realize publically they have to say they won't interfere to save face. just like countries stating publically how they won't negotiate with terrorists but do so behind the sceenes.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Anyone remember Brian Keenan circa 1980's? from Belfast Irish citizen in Beriut? Journalist accussed of spying for the CIA and they held him for YEARS maybe 8? Irish government wouldnt do a thing to help but they were very concerned.

held by another corrupt government. whats your point.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

They used it at every turn to call a meeting and when they were done .... Lets talk about you buying some beef.

were you there? you will be able to prove that they only mentioned it little and then went on to talk about buying beef for the rest of the meeting, beef being something that country would have enough of itself and didn't want much if any from ireland.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Brian Keenan was no Choir boy either.

so what? he was a journalist wasn't he?

skooterblue2 wrote: »

He knew the game he was playing and he paid the price.

and fair ****s to him. these countries need exposing. fair play to anyone willing to do so.

Jawgap

end of the road wrote: »

saudi doesn't deserve to be respected. i'd agree people should stay away from it but those who show that country the contempt it deserves gets respect from me.

Why?

If people want to live in a theocracy why shouldn't they?

My understanding of the MB is that they favour a less secular view of the world with the Qur'an as the constitution.......

.......like the Sufists in Saudi Arabia, they advocate Sunnah - should that be supported?

AlekSmart

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

You could have video evidence of the lad shouting death to the infidels and EOTR would still be defending him as some sort of misguided youth.

I found the timeline in this August 27th 2013 article interesting,particularly as it appears to have become somewhat obscured in the 18 months since....

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/27/cairo-detains-siblings-ireland-raid-mosque

When Egypt's security forces stormed the besieged al-Fath mosque in central Cairo almost two weeks ago among those arrested were four siblings with joint Irish-Egyptian nationality – three women aged 21 to 28, and their brother, 17.

This appears to indicate the Mosque was stormed in mid August 2013 ?

Yet,these young people appear to have involved themselves in protest at a somewhat earlier stage....

The Halawa siblings took part in the weeks' long sit-in at Ramses Square to protest against the ousting of Mohamed Morsi on 3 July. The sit-in was one of two encampments broken up by security forces with the loss of more than 600 lives.

Fearing for their safety during the assault, the siblings sought refuge in the nearby al-Fath mosque, which was then surrounded by security forces and an angry mob.

This account would appear to undermine the "Family holiday gone wrong" portrayal which has largely underpinned the subsequent campaigns.

Equally,the subsequent allegations that the Irish Government and it's Consular Services did not provide sufficient assistance to the family is challenged at this earlier juncture....

The siblings are still in detention without access to a lawyer but have become the focus of an intense diplomatic tussle as the Irish government seeks their release.

The stories simply do not jell......?

skooterblue2

end of the road wrote: »

wrong. he wasn't organizing anything

anyway quite frankly if egypt did stop buying beef from us it wouldn't be the end of the world, a bit inconvenient but really they would be no major loss.


are you having a ****ing laugh? you honestly think we'd turn to a country like egypt for help? they can't even help themselves, and they slaughter their own citizens. peave them off away.

Read that post back to yourself and imagine Larry Goodman is in the room. You would find youself on the wrong side of the Cooley Peninsula very fast. Ireland exports 1Billion Euro of Beef Every year. It is our Second biggest export. Larry Goodman is the Biggest Beef baron in Europe. You think Larry Goodman got to be the biggest beef baron TWICE (went bankrupt once and came back)by playing nice or fair. This chimp has delusions of his own self importance. A quick few lessons for you there. Get a book on negotiations. "Tradeable" when you can afford to give up something to maintain a bigger agenda. Mustaffa is completely tradeable. The Media arent looking at this story.

As for the Egyptian Government being incompetent? Who cares? The Suez Canal closes tomorrow tankers have to around the Cape of Good Hope, expect to pay €2.50 for a litre of petrol. Or Start buying from Nigerians ...also not a palatable option.

See completely tradeable and very few will kick up a fuzz for the price of cheap oil and busy meat factories. As for the Ambasador well she works for the Depatment of Foreign affairs and her boss is the Minister for Foreign affairs and he calls the shots. Now Larry Goodman is a great supporter of what Goverment is in power as long as he get his contracts. Where does Mustaffa fit into this plan? Short answer? He Doesnt.

K.Flyer

This is the video that shows that Ibrahim Halawa went to Egypt to get involved in demonstrations, see from approx 5.30mins in

skooterblue2 wrote: »

and for the translation : http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.html#translation

AlekSmart wrote: »

....
This account would appear to undermine the "Family holiday gone wrong" portrayal which has largely underpinned the subsequent campaigns.

The stories simply do not jell......?

It seriously undermines the excuses being made for them by some people here as well :rolleyes:

skooterblue2

end of the road wrote: »

were you there? you will be able to prove that they only mentioned it little and then went on to talk about buying beef for the rest of the meeting, beef being something that country would have enough of itself and didn't want much if any from ireland.

so what? he was a journalist wasn't he?

and fair ****s to him. these countries need exposing. fair play to anyone willing to do so.

Please Find Sean Delaney Accidental diplomat ..... Dublin had no interest in getting back Brian Keenan. He was abusing his Irish passport and he was a CIA asset. When he was of no use to the CIA they cut him lose and the Irish Government had no time for him either. He wasnt a journalist he was an asset on the take. No one cared. Same will happen to little Aswan as well. Both were using the Irish Passport as a flag of convience.

end of the road

skooterblue2 wrote: »

imagine Larry Goodman is in the room. You would find youself on the wrong side of the Cooley Peninsula very fast.

i wouldn't

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Ireland exports 1Billion Euro of Beef Every year. It is our Second biggest export.

to many many countries. egypt is small fry

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Larry Goodman is the Biggest Beef baron in Europe.

who cares? what does he want, a ****ing medal? he saw opportunities and took them, like any business person. big deal

skooterblue2 wrote: »

You think Larry Goodman got to be the biggest beef baron TWICE

again, so what. he got lucky, many people do in life. he's nothing special

skooterblue2 wrote: »

(went bankrupt once and came back).

woopdy do. many people have gone bankrupt. he's still nothing special

skooterblue2 wrote: »

This chimp has delusions of his own self importance.

does he? good for him. i will sleep well knowing that, infact i couldn't care a less.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

The Media arent looking at this story.

they report on it, so that is looking at it.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

As for the Egyptian Government being incompetent? Who cares? The Suez Canal closes tomorrow tankers have to around the Cape of Good Hope, expect to pay €2.50 for a litre of petrol. Or Start buying from Nigerians ...also not a palatable option.

yeah, we get it. as far as your concerned **** human rights as long as we can trade. fine, just admit it rather then these irrelevant ramblings. its the same for every government, but many will at least raise such issues which our government does. so whats your point.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

See completely tradeable and very few will kick up a fuzz for the price of cheap oil and busy meat factories.

plenty of countries for oil, and the meat factories would be very busy regardless of egypt. so really, i wouldn't be to worried if egypt decided to throw a hissy fit, which they wouldn't.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

As for the Ambasador well she works for the Depatment of Foreign affairs and her boss is the Minister for Foreign affairs and he calls the shots.

and clearly, he has no issue with her doing what little she can.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Now Larry Goodman is a great supporter of what Goverment is in power as long as he get his contracts.

so what? who cares? infact i couldn't care a less about Larry Goodman. he's irrelevant to me and this thread.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Where does Mustaffa fit into this plan? Short answer? He Doesnt.

what plan. why would he have anything to do with contracts between business and a customer?

Odyssey 2005

end of the road wrote: »

i wouldn't



to many many countries. egypt is small fry



who cares? what does he want, a ****ing medal? he saw opportunities and took them, like any business person. big deal



again, so what. he got lucky, many people do in life. he's nothing special



woopdy do. many people have gone bankrupt. he's still nothing special



does he? good for him. i will sleep well knowing that, infact i couldn't care a less.



they report on it, so that is looking at it.



yeah, we get it. as far as your concerned **** human rights as long as we can trade. fine, just admit it rather then these irrelevant ramblings. its the same for every government, but many will at least raise such issues which our government does. so whats your point.



plenty of countries for oil, and the meat factories would be very busy regardless of egypt. so really, i wouldn't be to worried if egypt decided to throw a hissy fit, which they wouldn't.



and clearly, he has no issue with her doing what little she can.



so what? who cares? infact i couldn't care a less about Larry Goodman. he's irrelevant to me and this thread.



what plan. why would he have anything to do with contracts between business and a customer?

Well Skooter...that's you told

skooterblue2

end of the road wrote: »

i egypt is small fry

again, so what. he got lucky, many people do in life. he's nothing special



woopdy do. many people have gone bankrupt. he's still nothing special



does he? good for him. i will sleep well knowing that, infact i couldn't care a less.




yeah, we get it. as far as your concerned **** human rights as long as we can trade. fine, just admit it rather then these irrelevant ramblings. its the same for every government, but many will at least raise such issues which our government does. so whats your point.



plenty of countries for oil, and the meat factories would be very busy regardless of egypt. so really, i wouldn't be to worried if egypt decided to throw a hissy fit, which they wouldn't.



so what? who cares? infact i couldn't care a less about Larry Goodman. he's irrelevant to me and this thread.


what plan. why would he have anything to do with contracts between business and a customer?

You Dont see Why the Egypian market is so valuable? They buy our End Of life cows. That is a valuable market. Thye give Irish people jobs. Egypt is one of the biggest counteries in Africa with a population that can afford our beef.

So other counteries have oil? Name them that dont have to be brought through the Suez canal and still financially viable. Nigeria...instable government and dodgy operators, Lybia unstable government. North Sea all consumed by Britian. Remember there are only two weeks stocks at White gate.
You dont see why the Suez canal is so important to oil. 1953? 1970's OPEC Oil crisis. Give you a clue has to do with tankers travelling from Iraq and Saudi. what is the easiest CHEAPEST way to get to Europe?
You dont see why the Irish Government dont want any fuzz over this incident?
You dont see why noone cares over little Haggim. How many people here would be willing to upset Egypt and get the privillage to pay €2.50 for a litre of petrol... plus the power stations run on oil, and every vehicle even the eletric trams run on electricty that comes from oil.

Still not getting it yet? This tin pot dictatorship right now at this moment is at one of the most important access points in the world and you want to start a trade embargo over a sh1t stirrer. The Irish goverment might just send the Rangers in and plug him themselves ... It would be a cheap peace. Civil rights? a Luxury in that part of the world.... and Hussiq is surplus. Honestly European Union dont care what counteries like Turkey, Syria and Egypt do as long as the EU dont have to act on it ... infact they give them both military Aid and advisors, so long as they dont have to deal with it.

Y'know what? I really dont care. Anyone with an ounce of Common sense would have given the place a wide berth if the DoFA told them to.

skooterblue2

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Well Skooter...that's you told

I surrender you sneaky Frenchman you have me surrounded..... God Save Egypt and bless his cotton socks says the prophet.

Ahhh EOTR ... go tell this story in the border counties ...... god love you.

I now realised how desperately the Irish education system has failed. They can't teach History, geography, commerce nor Maths ....... Wont someone think of the Children!!!

reprise

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I surrender you sneaky Frenchman you have me surrounded..... God Save Egypt and bless his cotton socks says the prophet.

Ahhh EOTR ... go tell this story in the border counties ...... god love you.

I now realised how desperately the Irish education system has failed. They can't teach History, geography, commerce nor Maths ....... Wont someone think of the Children!!!

Dude!

Your post count is 666

That's not considered an accident around these parts!

skooterblue2

reprise wrote: »

Dude!

Your post count is 666

That's not considered an accident around these parts!

I am also a Grand lodge freemason and I once voted for bertie ..... I am trully the Qua're fella

mr67stag

Its pretty clear what these irish citizen/s were doing in this part of the world.
However i dont begrudge him Egyptian prision dinners, rest assured they are all halall meat possibly courtsey of Mr Goodman (who our banks aka takpayer kindly bailed out)
Plus there will always be a call to prayers,ramadam will never go without celerbration.
So some big positives going on there.
We possibly should look at our prisions providing this for irish citizens.

skooterblue2

mr67stag wrote: »

Its pretty clear what these irish citizen/s were doing in this part of the world.
However i dont begrudge him Egyptian prision dinners, rest assured they are all halall meat possibly courtsey of Mr Goodman (who our banks aka takpayer kindly bailed out)
Plus there will always be a call to prayers,ramadam will never go without celerbration.
So some big positives going on there.
We possibly should look at our prisions providing this for irish citizens.

Ahh it will just be like he is in his new Ireland utopia.
I do believe the affore mention drinking recepticle also serves as both a bidet and lavatory. I do hope he doesnt have to share it is so uncivilised to share ones bidet. Please Sir will you specify how many times we bailed him out and give assurances he is NOT on the Anglo Irish Bank bond holders list?

I am teling you there is nothing with the craic at Ramadan. Its like the YMCA in prison ....you can hangout with al the boys!! i will have you know Irish prisons are condemned by Amnesty International as unsanitory, damn uncivilised and not a proper place for a gentleman despite you getting a full Irish in the morning, go to the Gym, shower , get that degree you always missed out on and you have a TV in your room. No USC, water rates or household charge. the only Sh2te part about it is the Aslan Gigs.

The only thing softer in Prison than the pillows are the prison guards. hey and if you are in Castle reagh you can have the Missus over for a Pyjama party. And they say crime doesnt pay

skooterblue2

mr67stag wrote: »

So some big positives going on there.
We possibly should look at our prisions providing this for irish citizens.

Agreed I think they should have the option of the Catholism version or the Islam version ...or both at the same time ... weather they want it or not. Leave the immans and the Priest to run the Prisons ... old school. My Father went to boarding school and the Agustinians used to beat them black and blue but they werent a patch on the good Auld Christian Brothers. The Savage Eye doesnt do them justice

Grand Moff Tarkin

end of the road wrote: »

i wouldn't



to many many countries. egypt is small fry



who cares? what does he want, a ****ing medal? he saw opportunities and took them, like any business person. big deal



again, so what. he got lucky, many people do in life. he's nothing special



woopdy do. many people have gone bankrupt. he's still nothing special



does he? good for him. i will sleep well knowing that, infact i couldn't care a less.



they report on it, so that is looking at it.



yeah, we get it. as far as your concerned **** human rights as long as we can trade. fine, just admit it rather then these irrelevant ramblings. its the same for every government, but many will at least raise such issues which our government does. so whats your point.



plenty of countries for oil, and the meat factories would be very busy regardless of egypt. so really, i wouldn't be to worried if egypt decided to throw a hissy fit, which they wouldn't.



and clearly, he has no issue with her doing what little she can.



so what? who cares? infact i couldn't care a less about Larry Goodman. he's irrelevant to me and this thread.



what plan. why would he have anything to do with contracts between business and a customer?

What is your view in the YouTube footage of the young man addressing the crowd while on a family holiday?

Grand Moff Tarkin

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Agreed I think they should have the option of the Catholism version or the Islam version ...or both at the same time ... weather they want it or not. Leave the immans and the Priest to run the Prisons ... old school. My Father went to boarding school and the Agustinians used to beat them black and blue but they werent a patch on the good Auld Christian Brothers. The Savage Eye doesnt do them justice

One of my few life regrets is that a certain "Christian Brother" who got a kick out of using his fists passed away while I was out of the country I would have loved to find out was he still a good man to throw a sneaky box against an adult, and more to the point how well could he have taken a smack himself.