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Irish Teen Fears Execution in Egypt

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    #212
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,571 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Nodin wrote: »
    Does that mean that no Irish person can comment or protest about Sudan, Iran, Russia, Palestine, West Papua, Whaling or any other issue outside the borders, or does this just apply to people born abroad?

    Let them comment all they want, if they value their safety let them keep out of dangerous places where getting involved in protests run the risk of ending up like the fella we are talking about.


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    #213
    Galwayguy35
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    Karl Stein wrote: »
    Why? Should that apply to Irish people of British or Polish heritage too?

    What Irish people of Polish heritage?


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    #214
    AlanS181824
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    I thought he was going to be executed because he was gay or something, nope it's because he went over intentionally looking for trouble!

    In fairness I'm still sympathetic to him but he should have never went over in the first place!


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    #215
    Jawgap
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Does that mean that no Irish person can comment or protest about Sudan, Iran, Russia, Palestine, West Papua, Whaling or any other issue outside the borders, or does this just apply to people born abroad?

    Of course they can - but if they get in bother and the Irish ambassador negotiates an edit for them they can opt to take advantage of that or they can reject it and roll the dice with the local judiciary.


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    #216
    SwiftJustice
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    Calibos wrote: »
    Even if thats the case, so Fcuking what??? So what if they went out with the intentions to protest against a horrible regime??

    I think the point is they went out to Eygpt with the intention of protesting FOR A HORRIBLE REGIME - the Muslim Brotherhood. I hope he rots over there.


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    #217
    Karl Stein
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    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    What Irish people of Polish heritage?

    I'm sure we have tens of thousands of Irish people of Polish heritage here. Would you support their natural right to go to Poland to support their relatives in the event of political/social upheaval?


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    #218
    Galwayguy35
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    Karl Stein wrote: »
    I'm sure we have tens of thousands of Irish people of Polish heritage here. Would you support their natural right to go to Poland to support their relatives in the event of political/social upheaval?

    What difference does it make to anyone here if Poles go over to their country to protest?
    They aren't going to look to the Irish Government to bail them out if they get in trouble.

    Where are these people of Polish heritage?

    We have Polish people here, they only started coming here 10 yesrs ago.


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    #219
    Karl Stein
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    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    What difference does it make to anyone here if Poles go over to their country to protest?

    You tell me?
    They aren't going to look to the Irish Government to bail them out if they get in trouble.

    I'm sure they would.
    Where are these people of Polish heritage? We have Polish people here, they only started coming here 10 yesrs ago.

    I'm confident we have plenty of Irish citizens of Eastern European heritage leaving secondary school these days.


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    #220
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,571 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    You tell me?



    I'm sure they would.



    I'm confident we have plenty of Irish citizens of Eastern European heritage leaving secondary school these days.

    No they wouldn't because Poland isn't a country where you get thrown in jail indefinately for protesting and it has no death penalty, I really didn't think this needed explaining to you.

    Nope we don't have plenty of Irish citizens of EE heritage leaving secondary schools, the oldest of them would be barely 10 years old.


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    #221
    RobYourBuilder
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    Karl Stein wrote: »
    I'm sure we have tens of thousands of Irish people of Polish heritage here.

    No we don't. There were just over 3k Poles here in 2001 as per the census. Unless you expect a load of pre-teens to be running back to Poland, what's your point?

    The Halawa chap is an Egyptian citizen in an Egyptian jail for attending Muslim Brotherhood rallies were himself and his siblings claimed to be "Egyptians from outside". Not Irish. Not Irish Egyptians. But Egyptians.

    He's Oirish when suits.


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    #222
    Putinovsky
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    RobYourBuilder wrote: »
    No we don't. There were just over 3k Poles here in 2001 as per the census. Unless you expect a load of pre-teens to be running back to Poland, what's your point?

    The Halawa chap is an Egyptian citizen in an Egyptian jail for attending Muslim Brotherhood rallies were himself and his siblings claimed to be "Egyptians from outside". Not Irish. Not Irish Egyptians. But Egyptians.

    He's Oirish when suits.


    He's an Irish national with Egyptian heritage. Get used to it. The guy was born in Dublin and has lived here all his life.

    Care to explain to me how someone born in Ireland who has lived here all his life is not actually Irish?


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    #223
    skooterblue2
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    RobYourBuilder wrote: »
    There were just over 3k Poles here in 2001 as per the census.

    The Halawa chap is an Egyptian citizen in an Egyptian jail for attending Muslim Brotherhood rallies were himself and his siblings claimed to be "Egyptians from outside". Not Irish. Not Irish Egyptians. But Egyptians.

    He's Oirish when suits.

    The Eastern Europeans are notoriously suspicious of any government collecting data. Considering the regime before and since WW2 I seriously think that many Eastern European who may have been working Cash in Hand opted out of the Census.

    If the Department of Foreign Affairs tell you they are concerned about a developing situation, that means all hell is breaking loose. This guy should have been in School or studying in College and instead he is joining a regime that wants to subvert the West. He is well beyond our zone of influence. Made his bed let him lie in it.


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    #224
    fedor.2.
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    Let his father go get him


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    #225
    skooterblue2
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    Putinovsky wrote: »
    He's an Irish national with Egyptian heritage. Get used to it. The guy was born in Dublin and has lived here all his life.

    Care to explain to me how someone born in Ireland who has lived here all his life is not actually Irish?

    The same some lads in Boston are american but signing up for the Ancient Order of Hibernians. Their bodies may be in America but their heart is here.

    Its times like this when he was called to respond that he answered the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood call. So when he gets back to Ireland. Do you think it is over? No he is going to be down the Mosque telling impressionable teens it is their duty to join the struggle overseas.


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    #226
    Icepick
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    SwiftJustice wrote: »
    I think the point is they went out to Eygpt with the intention of protesting FOR A HORRIBLE REGIME - the Muslim Brotherhood. I hope he rots over there.
    Any evidence for this claim?


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    #227
    skooterblue2
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    Well he and his sisters didnt go over there picking bananas. They were warned before they left there was trouble and they were at protests


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    #228
    fedor.2.
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    Icepick wrote: »
    Any evidence for this claim?



    Ah excellent, an insider, please tell us the real reason he went there


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    #229
    denhaagenite
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    Icepick wrote: »
    Any evidence for this claim?

    The video of them speaking on behalf of the Brotherhood at the rally, posted a couple of pages ago...


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    #230
    RobYourBuilder
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    The Halawas went over there on holliers and ended up leading tens of thousands of people at a Muslim Brotherhood rally. Could happen to anyone.

    You lads would swallow a brick.


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    #231
    Putinovsky
    Registered Users Posts: 368 ✭✭Putinovsky


    RobYourBuilder wrote: »
    The Halawas went over there on holliers and ended up leading tens of thousands of people at a Muslim Brotherhood rally. Could happen to anyone.

    You lads would swallow a brick.

    Care to answer my question on how a person born in Ireland who has lived in Ireland all his life is not actually Irish?


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    #232
    RobYourBuilder
    Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    Putinovsky wrote: »
    Care to answer my question on how a person born in Ireland who has lived in Ireland all his life is not actually Irish?

    Sure. Watch the video I linked to earlier where the Halawas state that they are "Egyptians from the outside".


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    #233
    Karl Stein
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    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    No they wouldn't because Poland isn't a country where you get thrown in jail indefinately for protesting and it has no death penalty

    I asked if in the event of political/social upheaval, like we see in Ukraine, not a holiday. Short of getting the crayons out I can't make it any more simple
    RobYourBuilder wrote: »
    No we don't. There were just over 3k Poles here in 2001 as per the census. Unless you expect a load of pre-teens to be running back to Poland, what's your point?

    Lots of people moved here with their children who'd now be Irish citizens by law and thus entitled to Irish consular assistance.

    The question is hypothetical. The heritage of these people is inconsequential; Polish, Ukrainian, Somali, Israeli, Nigerian, Black, White, Asian, Muslim, Christian or Jew, it doesn't matter they're Irish.

    Do you people accept that your fellow Irish citizens have the right to return to their countries of heritage, for whatever reason, and as Irish citizens have the right to consular assistance as Irish citizens if they end up in situations that require it?


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    #234
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Putinovsky wrote: »
    Care to answer my question on how a person born in Ireland who has lived in Ireland all his life is not actually Irish?


    Beside the point really. If I go to Florida, on holiday, and wreck the gaff, then get arrested for it, are you gonna come get me, are ya?


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    #235
    fedor.2.
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    Karl Stein wrote: »
    I asked if in the event of political/social upheaval, like we see in Ukraine, not a holiday. Short of getting the crayons out I can't make it any more simple



    Lots of people moved here with their children who'd now be Irish citizens by law and thus entitled to Irish consular assistance.

    The question is hypothetical. The heritage of these people is inconsequential; Polish, Ukrainian, Somali, Israeli, Nigerian, Black, White, Asian, Muslim, Christian or Jew, it doesn't matter they're Irish.

    Do you people accept that your fellow Irish citizens have the right to return to their countries of heritage, for whatever reason, and as Irish citizens have the right to consular assistance as Irish citizens if they end up in situations that require it?

    No


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    #236
    end of the road
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    RobYourBuilder wrote: »
    Sure. Watch the video I linked to earlier where the Halawas state that they are "Egyptians from the outside".


    they are of egyptian herritage, but actually irish citizens. end of.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #237
    skooterblue2
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    Putinovsky wrote: »
    Care to answer my question on how a person born in Ireland who has lived in Ireland all his life is not actually Irish?

    The same way some lads in Boston are American but signing up for the Ancient Order of Hibernians. Their bodies may be in America but their heart is here.

    Its times like this when he was called to respond that he answered the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood call. So when he gets back to Ireland. Do you think it is over? No he is going to be down the Mosque telling impressionable teens it is their duty to join the struggle overseas.

    This Lad is no Choir boy, he is over there as part of regime change for unified Muslim state. He was warned when going


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    #238
    UCDVet
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    That article seemed awfully biased to me, or do they not include the allegations against him because Egypt is so corrupt as to not supply them?

    If he's just some poor kid who was studying abroad and got arrested for nothing, I feel for him.

    If he went to Egypt and *broke the law* and was arrested for it. Well, I'm mostly okay with it. I wish they'd treat their prisoners better.

    If he went to Egypt and did something really bad or intentionally broke the law, because he wanted to....then I'm totally okay with it.


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    #239
    skooterblue2
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    Karl Stein wrote: »
    Do you people accept that your fellow Irish citizens have the right to return to their countries of heritage, for whatever reason, and as Irish citizens have the right to consular assistance as Irish citizens if they end up in situations that require it?

    You dont have a right to it if you were forewarned by the DoFF, used great efforts to get there and then put yourself in the way of danger and got caught. Its not the Irish Governments Job to sort out every idiots problem. I also make reference to the two dopes in Peru who were working as Porridge Sales Reps


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    #240
    Karl Stein
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    when he gets back to Ireland. Do you think it is over? No he is going to be down the Mosque telling impressionable teens it is their duty to join the struggle overseas.

    Hey Nostradamus, while you're peering into the future could you get me next weekend's lotto numbers? Good man.


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    #241
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    You dont have a right to it if you were forewarned by the DoFF

    Is there some sort of booklet that says this or are you making it up as you go along?


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