Peaches Geldof dead aged 25 - MOD NOTE: NO JOKES

amdublin

I don't think closure means that it lessens the family's grief in anyway.

What it does do is answer the question "how/why". So in essence it gives closure to one question.

Bad enough struggling with your grief, but also struggling with the "why"...I hope they get closure for that.

shopaholic01

shopaholic01 wrote: »

Otherwise, grief is grief, knowing the details won't take the edge off it.

The exception to this of course is if it was some hereditary condition, like the apparently hereditary aneurysms that blight Geldofs family.

If it was this that killed her it might be very important for some medical investigations into his other girls.

If it's unpredictable or untreatable or unpreventable, it means he lives in abject terror of this happening to another of his daughters or grandchildren, for the rest of his life.

As someone who's lost a close family member (although we knew the cause and it was after a long illness), I do think the cause of death is a crucial piece of information for the family, and that that closure - as trite and as overused as the term may be - is sometimes all you have to hope for and all you can hang on to. It might not ease the grief in some universal way, but it changes the quality of it.

axel rose

Candie wrote: »

The exception to this of course is if it was some hereditary condition, like the apparently hereditary aneurysms that blight Geldofs family.

If it was this that killed her it might be very important for some medical investigations into his other girls.

If it's unpredictable or untreatable or unpreventable, it means he lives in abject terror of this happening to another of his daughters or grandchildren, for the rest of his life.

As someone who's lost a close family member (although we knew the cause and it was after a long illness), I do think the cause of death is a crucial piece of information for the family, and that that closure - as trite and as overused as the term may be - is sometimes all you have to hope for and all you can hang on to. It might not ease the grief in some universal way, but it changes the quality of it.

I logged on to make this very point. With sudden death there are a ton on questions and fears- the worst would be- what are the odds that this could happen again? She has two very small children, and her siblings are also at risk. Knowing what killed her is crucial.

'Closure'- what other word would YOU deem appropriate Muise?

axel rose

axel rose wrote: »

I logged on to make this very point. With sudden death there are a ton on questions and fears- the worst would be- what are the odds that this could happen again? She has two very small children, and her siblings are also at risk. Knowing what killed her is crucial.

'Closure'- what other word would YOU deem appropriate Muise?

To be fair, I think Muise was more commenting on the more trite, chat-show definition in relation to the interested onlooker, and not the more personal meaning to the directly affected family and friends.

The public doesn't need Oprah style closure, but the family need their answers.

Muise...

axel rose wrote: »

I logged on to make this very point. With sudden death there are a ton on questions and fears- the worst would be- what are the odds that this could happen again? She has two very small children, and her siblings are also at risk. Knowing what killed her is crucial.

'Closure'- what other word would YOU deem appropriate Muise?

Peace

Patience

Acceptance

Mindfulness

Listening

(sorry this next one is a string of words, but life and death are complicated like that)

Reading posts carefully before losing one's temper.

Ann Landers

^^^^^^

One could most certainly argue that 'mindfulness' is even more wanky than 'closure'. Both are recognised by mental health workers though, with mindfulness being a bit more vogueish at the moment. Closure as an idea is unfairly maligned, it's something that it has been popular to berate. You certainly have it in for it, anyway.

Muise...

Ann Landers wrote: »

^^^^^^

One could most certainly argue that 'mindfulness' is even more wanky than 'closure'. Both are recognised by mental health workers though, with mindfulness being a bit more vogueish at the moment. Closure as an idea is unfairly maligned, it's something that it has been popular to berate. You certainly have it in for it, anyway.

Hey, I'm just trying to be clear and keep some semblance of integrity, but objectivity vs pain is not a fair fight.

Ann Landers

Muise... wrote: »

Hey, I'm just trying to be clear and keep some semblance of integrity, but objectivity vs pain is not a fair fight.

Well, that's a nothing post if ever there was one. What does that even mean?

bobwilliams

read the last few pages and they remind me of the discussions/arguments I have with my headstrong(beyond belief)13 year old......move on please

Muise...

Ann Landers wrote: »

Well, that's a nothing post if ever there was one. What does that even mean?

It means (sorry bobwilliams ), that having unintentionally upset a widow, I am trying to clarify what I meant (integrity) without being drawn into an emotional fight.

ahnowbrowncow

bobwilliams wrote: »

read the last few pages and they remind me of the discussions/arguments I have with my headstrong(beyond belief)13 year old......move on please

Never.

yellow hen

bobwilliams wrote: »

read the last few pages and they remind me of the discussions/arguments I have with my headstrong(beyond belief)13 year old......move on please

Agreed. No matter what the thread is, there are always a few posters (intentionally or unintentionally as may be the case here) who want to steal the limelight.

I don't think it is our position to comment on cause of death or the feelings or grief experienced to those closest to Peaches Geldof. Whatever the circumstances, a young mother, wife and daughter has died and it is a tragedy.

jane82

Yeah but I have 3 kids so I have to mention that before I say rip. Maybe say I hugged them a bit more this morning as well. People need to know my rip is more valueable than everybody elses. Might even quote a joke and call the guy out on it. Ask him to have some respect.
I could get about 6 thanks for that.

ahnowbrowncow

jane82 wrote: »

Yeah but I have 3 kids so I have to mention that before I say rip. Maybe say I hugged them a bit more this morning as well. People need to know my rip is more valueable than everybody elses. Might even quote a joke and call the guy out on it. Ask him to have some respect.
I could get about 6 thanks for that.

The posters you're mocking seem too be winding you up. Just click the unfollow thread icon, ignorance is bliss.

jane82

They arnt winding me up in the slightest its just a song I wrote.

humanji

Cut out the pettiness and the trolling.

Donkey Oaty

Post-mortem result, via Telegraph:

A post-mortem examination into the death of Peaches Geldof has proved inconclusive pending the results of toxicology tests.
Kent Police said officers are continuing to investigate the circumstances around the 25-year-old's death and a toxicology report could take several weeks.

jane82

Thatd fall in line with my round of text messages theory.

Mr. Nice

Thatd (sic) also fall in line with my space monkeys theory...

Or any other theory for that matter.

iwantmydinner

jane82 wrote: »

Thatd fall in line with my round of text messages theory.

Why are you so obsessed with being right about this?

jane82

iwantmydinner wrote: »

Why are you so obsessed with being right about this?

I do it with all news stories. Im usually right.

Lollipops23

jane82 wrote: »

Thatd fall in line with my round of text messages theory.

Mr. Nice wrote: »

Thatd (sic) also fall in line with my space monkeys theory...

Or any other theory for that matter.

jane82 wrote: »

I do it with all news stories. Im usually right.

Jesus H Christ, would you all cut it out PLEASE?!!

ibarelycare

It's been reported this morning that Peaches' 11-month-old son Phaedra was with her when she passed. So sad, I hope it wasn't too long before she was found, the poor baby

Merkin

I just read that too. What an awfully sad end and so reminiscent of her Mum dying in the company of her baby all those years ago too. Thankfully the baby won't remember any of it.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/showbiz/peaches-11-month-old-son-with-her-when-she-died-627566.html

Piliger

Who on earth is this Peaches Geldof other than some spoilt child of Bob ?
I have NOTHING against her, mind ! and I love Bob. But really ... WTF is this all about ?
She is a virtually unknown young woman who writes a column unknown to 99% of people and has no talent or importance whatsoever. The only people interesting in this day after day after day after day coverage in the media are her family and friends.

Piliger

Piliger wrote: »

Who on earth is this Peaches Geldof other than some spoilt child of Bob ?
I have NOTHING against her, mind ! and I love Bob. But really ... WTF is this all about ?
She is a virtually unknown young woman who writes a column unknown to 99% of people and has no talent or importance whatsoever. The only people interesting in this day after day after day after day coverage in the media are her family and friends.

I've no idea if she was spoilt, since I didn't know her personally. And never having read her columns, I've no idea if she was talented or not, or if she's important to her readers, so I can't confidently form an opinion on that either.

She's notable to me because she's Bobs daughter, and it's a family tragedy in a sad procession of tragedies for him. That makes it newsworthy, surely?

Piliger

Candie wrote: »

I've no idea if she was spoilt, since I didn't know her personally. And never having read her columns, I've no idea if she was talented or not, or if she's important to her readers, so I can't confidently form an opinion on that either.

She's notable to me because she's Bobs daughter, and it's a family tragedy in a sad procession of tragedies for him. That makes it newsworthy, surely?

For how many days ? spread over all of the newspapers and tv ? please !

Piliger

Piliger wrote: »

For how many days ? spread over all of the newspapers and tv ? please !

It's a family tragedy with some public interest, and the history of tragedy in the family makes it fodder for the tabloids.

Yes, it's too much.

It is completely unnecessary to malign the dead girl though.

LorMal

Piliger wrote: »

For how many days ? spread over all of the newspapers and tv ? please !

But if you feel that way, why on earth are you posting comments about it?
Surely you can visit other threads that you are interested in instead.
Looking for something to be contrary about?

Piliger

LorMal wrote: »

But if you feel that way, why on earth are you posting comments about it?
Surely you can visit other threads that you are interested in instead.
Looking for something to be contrary about?

I'm writing to a thread about her passing because that's what I want to comment on. Why do you have a problem with that ?

Da Shins Kelly

Piliger wrote: »

I'm writing to a thread about her passing because that's what I want to comment on. Why do you have a problem with that ?

If you're so sick of hearing about it, why are you contributing to the traffic on the subject? Surely if it was making you that mad, you'd just ignore it in the hopes that it will die down eventually, which it inevitably will. As it stands, it just looks like you're using the thread as a playground to be contrary.

LorMal

bobwilliams wrote: »

read the last few pages and they remind me of the discussions/arguments I have with my headstrong(beyond belief)13 year old......move on please

Think you are doing your 13 year old a disservice there Bob - I at least assume he/she has a point sometimes....

Piliger

Piliger wrote: »

Who on earth is this Peaches Geldof other than some spoilt child of Bob ?
I have NOTHING against her, mind ! and I love Bob. But really ... WTF is this all about ?
She is a virtually unknown young woman who writes a column unknown to 99% of people and has no talent or importance whatsoever. The only people interesting in this day after day after day after day coverage in the media are her family and friends.

Then why the stupid comment. If you can't say anything decent about the dead, say nothing.

Piliger

Deleted User wrote: »

Then why the stupid comment. If you can't say anything decent about the dead, say nothing.

Bollox. Who says it's a stupid question anyway ? Are you a Mod ?

Is that what this thread is about ? "Saying something nice about Peaches Geldof " ? No. Its a discussion board. It's for discussion.

My question about the media is a perfectly fair and reasonable one and it's not for you to decide whether it is or not. :rolleyes:

Piliger

Piliger wrote: »

I'm writing to a thread about her passing because that's what I want to comment on. Why do you have a problem with that ?

Yes, but that's not all you did.

You described a newly deceased mother of two babies as 'spoilt', 'of no talent or importance whatsoever', which to even the barely-interested onlooker, looks like you decided to post to just vent some vitriol for some reason.

It wasn't diluted by the standard 'I have nothing against her...', because usually people don't insult the dead unless they do, or maybe because they're just prone to spite.

LorMal

Piliger wrote: »

Bollox. Who says it's a stupid question anyway ? Are you a Mod ?

Is that what this thread is about ? "Saying something nice about Peaches Geldof " ? No. Its a discussion board. It's for discussion.

My question about the media is a perfectly fair and reasonable one and it's not for you to decide whether it is or not. :rolleyes:

Tetchy

Piliger

Piliger wrote: »

My question about the media is a perfectly fair and reasonable one and it's not for you to decide whether it is or not. :rolleyes:

Yes, that part was fair. What's not fair is making unflattering character judgments about someone you didn't know.

Da Shins Kelly

Piliger wrote: »

Bollox. Who says it's a stupid question anyway ? Are you a Mod ?

Is that what this thread is about ? "Saying something nice about Peaches Geldof " ? No. Its a discussion board. It's for discussion.

My question about the media is a perfectly fair and reasonable one and it's not for you to decide whether it is or not. :rolleyes:

I have absolutely no idea why on earth you'd be getting so het up about something like this. It's not that difficult to avoid something happening in the media if you really want to. It looks like you're doing the opposite, however. You're actively seeking it out and then bitching about how annoying it is. :rolleyes:

Piliger

LorMal wrote: »

Tetchy

No. I came to make a simple and perfectly reasonable comment about the media making a huge deal about an unknown woman dying. What is so awful about that ?
Another woman of only 21 died yesterday in Killiney near where I used to live. I knew her. Everyone local knew her. Coverage in the Press for almost a week ?

Piliger

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I have absolutely no idea why on earth you'd be getting so het up about something like this. It's not that difficult to avoid something happening in the media if you really want to. It looks like you're doing the opposite, however. You're actively seeking it out and then bitching about how annoying it is. :rolleyes:

You mean like 90% of the posts in After Hours ? yeah :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

LorMal

Piliger wrote: »

You mean like 90% of the posts in After Hours ? yeah :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

(Please move on Piliger and show some respect).

I must say I was really shocked and upset by the news of Bobs daughter's sudden death. He is such a fantastic guy and has been through so much in his life - now this horrific event.
I hope he can eventually come to terms with it in some way.
She was so young - just starting out - and she seems to have inherited his spirit and zest for life. I will never understand why these things happen...

Da Shins Kelly

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I have absolutely no idea why on earth you'd be getting so het up about something like this. It's not that difficult to avoid something happening in the media if you really want to. It looks like you're doing the opposite, however. You're actively seeking it out and then bitching about how annoying it is. :rolleyes:

Pilger has no intention of doing anything other than stirring things with pathetic small minded drivel. Best ignored.

Da Shins Kelly

Piliger wrote: »

You mean like 90% of the posts in After Hours ? yeah :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

So that's your excuse? Everyone else does it (not that I'm seeing much of it in this particular thread apart from you)? What nonsense.

Stretch The Pussy

Piliger wrote: »

Bollox. Who says it's a stupid question anyway ? Are you a Mod ?

Is that what this thread is about ? "Saying something nice about Peaches Geldof " ? No. Its a discussion board. It's for discussion.

My question about the media is a perfectly fair and reasonable one and it's not for you to decide whether it is or not. :rolleyes:

The media can cover whatever topics they want, they don't answer to you.

eviltwin

Piliger wrote: »

No. I came to make a simple and perfectly reasonable comment about the media making a huge deal about an unknown woman dying. What is so awful about that ?
Another woman of only 21 died yesterday in Killiney near where I used to live. I knew her. Everyone local knew her. Coverage in the Press for almost a week ?

There is a big difference, Geldof is a celebrity, Peaches was a minor celebrity in her own right, the family by the nature of their professions were courting the media on a regular basis so would expect this kind of attention at such a time.

A normal joe however is totally different, a family needs privacy at this time, while the death of that young woman is equally tragic I don't think its fair on her family to have it in the national media. Give them their privacy, have some respect for their loss.

Piliger

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Pilger has no intention of doing anything other than stirring things with pathetic small minded drivel. Best ignored.

Why do you find it so necessary to be personally abusive ?

Cushie Butterfield

Piliger wrote: »

Everyone local knew her.

Bob Geldof is known throughout the world, so if a daughter of his (even one who only has 374,000 twitter followers) dies suddenly it's bound to hit the headlines, & will remain there until the day after her funeral. There will be a bit more coverage when the toxicology results are released & that will be it.

That's the way the world works nowadays & has for quite some time, so it's probably best to embrace change & try to get on with things as best you can.

Piliger

Stretch The Pussy wrote: »

The media can cover whatever topics they want, they don't answer to you.

Are you making that statement on behalf of the media ? Do we all answer to you ?

Stretch The Pussy

Piliger wrote: »

Are you making that statement on behalf of the media ? Do we all answer to you ?

If the media want to cover a celebeities death they are entitled tp do so, What's yiur problem with that?

Tasden

Stretch The Pussy wrote: »

If the media want to cover a celebeities death they are entitled tp do so, What's yiur problem with that?

Thanked purely for your bizarre choice of username! :pac: