Peaches Geldof dead aged 25 - MOD NOTE: NO JOKES

jane82

eviltwin wrote: »

Peaches isn't all that different to a lot of normal parents in that regard. Many parents I know put their children's pics on Facebook or make an effort to look well before they go out. Its not a bad thing. Just as its not an indication that you are a great parent neither should it be used as a marker that you might not be 100% committed to your child.

no it doesnt make somebody a bad mother you are right. But it doesnt make somebody a good mother either.
Look at the pages of "so sad to see her go, she was such a great mother".
All people know of her mothering is her twitter pics and her half baked ideas of parenting she waxed lyrical about.
Id say she was as good a mother as her mother was.
Thats the problem here its a celeb society where you can lock the kids away on an xbox all day until its time to wheel them out for the paps and be a role model for thousands of pleb now magazine readers that think the most important part of their childs upbringing is how expensive their buggy is.

jane82

dubstarr wrote: »

My cousins daughter died aged 20 last year from a heart defect that nobody knew about.It took 6 months for the autopsy to come back and let us know what she died from.Is entirely possible its natural cause but until the resuls come back,nobody knows.

The results are inconclusive awaiting toxicolgy. The autopsy has been done.

ceadaoin.

jane82 wrote: »

no it doesnt make somebody a bad mother you are right. But it doesnt make somebody a good mother either.
Look at the pages of "so sad to see her go, she was such a great mother".
All people know of her mothering is her twitter pics and her half baked ideas of parenting she waxed lyrical about.
Id say she was as good a mother as her mother was.
Thats the problem here its a celeb society where you can lock the kids away on an xbox all day until its time to wheel them out for the paps and be a role model for thousands of pleb now magazine readers that think the most important part of their childs upbringing is how expensive their buggy is.

You didn't know her so I don't know why you feel you can comment on what type of mother she was. According to the people who knew her she was a good mother who loved her kids immensely and spent a lot of time with them. You are coming across as quite vindictive to be honest

yellow hen

jane82 wrote: »

no it doesnt make somebody a bad mother you are right. But it doesnt make somebody a good mother either.
Look at the pages of "so sad to see her go, she was such a great mother".
All people know of her mothering is her twitter pics and her half baked ideas of parenting she waxed lyrical about.
Id say she was as good a mother as her mother was.
Thats the problem here its a celeb society where you can lock the kids away on an xbox all day until its time to wheel them out for the paps and be a role model for thousands of pleb now magazine readers that think the most important part of their childs upbringing is how expensive their buggy is.

How very assuming of you.

jane82

ceadaoin. wrote: »

You didn't know her so I don't know why you feel you can comment on what type of mother she was. According to the people who knew her she was a good mother who loved her kids immensely and spent a lot of time with them. You are coming across as quite vindictive to be honest

By the looks of things she died on purpose or through taking too many drugs whilst minding a toddler.
Would she have loved spending time with her children if she had to be sober?
One of her ideas on parenting was sleeping the kids in your bed and the husband in the spare room.

ScumLord

jane82 wrote: »

By the looks of things she died on purpose or through taking too many drugs whilst minding a toddler.

Where are you getting this information from?

jane82

ScumLord wrote: »

Where are you getting this information from?

Inconclusive postmortum awaiting toxicology test results.
It is rumoured/reported the younger child was with her.
Friends and family got wind of something and police decided it was reasonable to break her door down less than 24 hours after her being alive and tweeting.

Oryx

jane82 wrote: »

By the looks of things she died on purpose or through taking too many drugs whilst minding a toddler.
Would she have loved spending time with her children if she had to be sober?
One of her ideas on parenting was sleeping the kids in your bed and the husband in the spare room.

She was an advocate of attachment parenting.

You are making huge assumptions there. What is your problem with this poor girl that you need to be so spiteful? What did she ever do to you?

ScumLord

ScumLord wrote: »

Where are you getting this information from?

A venomous mind, perhaps.

jane82

Oryx wrote: »

She was an advocate of attachment parenting.

You are making huge assumptions there. What is your problem with this poor girl that you need to be so spiteful? What did she ever do to you?

Its not her its the whole famous for being a mother with a nice buggy and good hair movement I dont like.
People eating up her strange parenting ideas because she was famous.

Ash.J.Williams

jane82 wrote: »

Its not her its the whole famous for being a mother with a nice buggy and good hair movement I dont like.
People eating up her strange parenting ideas because she was famous.

the issue there is not peaches it's the stupid people

ScumLord

jane82 wrote: »

Inconclusive postmortum awaiting toxicology test results.

So it's just an assumption? You know nothing.

jane82 wrote: »

Its not her its the whole famous for being a mother with a nice buggy and good hair movement I dont like.
People eating up her strange parenting ideas because she was famous.

I don't really know anything about the girl because I don't read tabloid newspapers. If you don't like celebrities stop reading about them.

ceadaoin.

jane82 wrote: »

By the looks of things she died on purpose or through taking too many drugs whilst minding a toddler.
Would she have loved spending time with her children if she had to be sober?
One of her ideas on parenting was sleeping the kids in your bed and the husband in the spare room.

By the looks of things? What things? The police found no drugs or drug paraphernalia and nothing to indicate suicide. You don't know what you are talking about. How would you know whether she was sober or not.

It's called attachment parenting, maybe you should read up on it. It's quite popular, not just something she made up. The husband slept in the spare room with one of the kids for a time because the other child was waking in the night and disturbing everyone. I don't know if you have kids but most parents will end up with a child in their bed at some point. It's not that weird.

Oryx

jane82 wrote: »

Its not her its the whole famous for being a mother with a nice buggy and good hair movement I dont like.
People eating up her strange parenting ideas because she was famous.

I think attachment parenting is unusual, but that doesn't incite me to post hateful comments about a girl just because she did it. The fact that you feel so strongly about someone because they were well known and because they had good hair (seriously?) says a hell of a lot more about you than about her.

You have inferred she looked after her kids while drunk. The only reason you feel at liberty to cast such random, unfounded aspersions is because this girl was part of the celebrity scene you claim to despise.

Qualitymark

This is all horribly intrusive, people speculating about a dead girl who has bereaved family in Ireland who may well be reading all this spewing spite. Mods, can't you step in here?

ceadaoin.

jane82 wrote: »

Inconclusive postmortum awaiting toxicology test results.
It is rumoured/reported the younger child was with her.
Friends and family got wind of something and police decided it was reasonable to break her door down less than 24 hours after her being alive and tweeting.

When I was home alone with my baby daughter while my husband had to travel for work I asked him and my mother to make sure they could get in touch with me every day. If they couldn't, I would hope they would call the police or come and check on me. I was worried about something happening to me and my daughter being left alone unable to fend for herself.

So the fact that he sent a friend, and later, the police to do a welfare check doesn't mean that he thought she was a danger to herself or that he 'got wind of something'.

No Pants

Qualitymark wrote: »

This is all horribly intrusive, people speculating about a dead girl who has bereaved family in Ireland who may well be reading all this spewing spite. Mods, can't you step in here?

Indeed. She was a very private person.

jane82

jane82 wrote: »

By the looks of things she died on purpose or through taking too many drugs whilst minding a toddler.
Would she have loved spending time with her children if she had to be sober?

Are you psychic?

jane82 wrote: »

People eating up her strange parenting ideas because she was famous.

She didn't invent attachment parenting, they aren't 'her' strange ideas, just an ideology she espoused.

You really come across as gleefully judgemental over the death of a young mother, determined to cast her as a seedy, vacuous, superficial and worthless human being. She's dead, surely that's enough to satisfy the most spiteful mind without maligning her as well.

Your posts say a lot about you.

jane82

ceadaoin. wrote: »

By the looks of things? What things? The police found no drugs or drug paraphernalia and nothing to indicate suicide. You don't know what you are talking about. How would you know whether she was sober or not.

It's called attachment parenting, maybe you should read up on it. It's quite popular, not just something she made up. The husband slept in the spare room with one of the kids for a time because the other child was waking in the night and disturbing everyone. I don't know if you have kids but most parents will end up with a child in their bed at some point. It's not that weird.

No the husband went the spare room. She slept in the bed with the kids because if she was beside them they were less likely to suffer cot death apparantly. She went on to say she puts them to bed at 7 and heads off downstairs to her fella for intimate time.
What about the cot death while you are downstairs till 12 you may ask?

The longer you let the kids sleep in your bed the harder it is to get them in their own bed. Thats the truth.
Just because it has a name and is enforced by a celeb doesnt make it genius.
The longer the husband is in the spare room the more chance there is of him getting abit jealous of the baby. (it does happen with some men).

Its a rediculous idea. The benefits of this are a less likely chance of cot death? How less likely?
300 babies in all of uk die from cot death a year. Most sane organisations reccomend lieing the baby on the back in a cot or moses basket. They recommend not smoking during pregnancy or around the new born. Some causes of cot death are from accident (eg mother rolling on baby).
At no point do these organisations reccomend all sleeping in the bed with a new born.
Its a rediculous half baked hippie idea that gathers pace because somebody with a nice dress says its what they do.

"its called attachment parenting" its called giving bad advice and risking the health of babies.

jane82

jane82 wrote: »

No the husband went the spare room. She slept in the bed with the kids because if she was beside them they were less likely to suffer cot death apparantly. She went on to say she puts them to bed at 7 and heads off downstairs to her fella for intimate time.
What about the cot death while you are downstairs till 12 you may ask?

The longer you let the kids sleep in your bed the harder it is to get them in their own bed. Thats the truth.
Just because it has a name and is enforced by a celeb doesnt make it genius.
The longer the husband is in the spare room the more chance there is of him getting abit jealous of the baby. (it does happen with some men).

Its a rediculous idea. The benefits of this are a less likely chance of cot death? How less likely?
300 babies in all of uk die from cot death a year. Most sane organisations reccomend lieing the baby on the back in a cot or moses basket. They recommend not smoking during pregnancy or around the new born. Some causes of cot death are from accident (eg mother rolling on baby).
At no point do these organisations reccomend all sleeping in the bed with a new born.
Its a rediculous half baked hippie idea that gathers pace because somebody with a nice dress says its what they do.

"its called attachment parenting" its called giving bad advice and risking the health of babies.

By god you're right, regardless of the studies that say you're wrong. She deserved to die.

ceadaoin.

jane82 wrote: »

No the husband went the spare room. She slept in the bed with the kids because if she was beside them they were less likely to suffer cot death apparantly. She went on to say she puts them to bed at 7 and heads off downstairs to her fella for intimate time.
What about the cot death while you are downstairs till 12 you may ask?

The longer you let the kids sleep in your bed the harder it is to get them in their own bed. Thats the truth.
Just because it has a name and is enforced by a celeb doesnt make it genius.
The longer the husband is in the spare room the more chance there is of him getting abit jealous of the baby. (it does happen with some men).

Its a rediculous idea. The benefits of this are a less likely chance of cot death? How less likely?
300 babies in all of uk die from cot death a year. Most sane organisations reccomend lieing the baby on the back in a cot or moses basket. They recommend not smoking during pregnancy or around the new born. Some causes of cot death are from accident (eg mother rolling on baby).
At no point do these organisations reccomend all sleeping in the bed with a new born.
Its a rediculous half baked hippie idea that gathers pace because somebody with a nice dress says its what they do.

"its called attachment parenting" its called giving bad advice and risking the health of babies.

I had heard of attachment parenting before I heard that Peaches Geldof practiced it. She is not responsible for it. I don't think anyone would choose their parenting style based on what someone in a nice dress says. And there is evidence to suggest that safe co sleeping does reduce the risk of SIDS but that's not what this thread is about. If you did some research before posting your rantings then you would know this.

You just seem to have a lot of bitterness towards this woman. It's not healthy.

ScumLord

jane82 wrote: »

No the husband went the spare room. She slept in the bed with the kids because if she was beside them they were less likely to suffer cot death apparantly. She went on to say she puts them to bed at 7 and heads off downstairs to her fella for intimate time.
What about the cot death while you are downstairs till 12 you may ask?

The longer you let the kids sleep in your bed the harder it is to get them in their own bed. Thats the truth.
Just because it has a name and is enforced by a celeb doesnt make it genius.
The longer the husband is in the spare room the more chance there is of him getting abit jealous of the baby. (it does happen with some men).

Its a rediculous idea. The benefits of this are a less likely chance of cot death? How less likely?
300 babies in all of uk die from cot death a year. Most sane organisations reccomend lieing the baby on the back in a cot or moses basket. They recommend not smoking during pregnancy or around the new born. Some causes of cot death are from accident (eg mother rolling on baby).
At no point do these organisations reccomend all sleeping in the bed with a new born.
Its a rediculous half baked hippie idea that gathers pace because somebody with a nice dress says its what they do.

"its called attachment parenting" its called giving bad advice and risking the health of babies.

Maybe you need to put down the celebrity gossip mags for a while.

jane82

Candie wrote: »

By god you're right, regardless of the studies that say you're wrong. She deserved to die.

At what point do I say she deserved to die?

Oryx

jane82 wrote: »

No the husband went the spare room. She slept in the bed with the kids because if she was beside them they were less likely to suffer cot death apparantly. She went on to say she puts them to bed at 7 and heads off downstairs to her fella for intimate time.
What about the cot death while you are downstairs till 12 you may ask?

The longer you let the kids sleep in your bed the harder it is to get them in their own bed. Thats the truth.
Just because it has a name and is enforced by a celeb doesnt make it genius.
The longer the husband is in the spare room the more chance there is of him getting abit jealous of the baby. (it does happen with some men).

Its a rediculous idea. The benefits of this are a less likely chance of cot death? How less likely?
300 babies in all of uk die from cot death a year. Most sane organisations reccomend lieing the baby on the back in a cot or moses basket. They recommend not smoking during pregnancy or around the new born. Some causes of cot death are from accident (eg mother rolling on baby).
At no point do these organisations reccomend all sleeping in the bed with a new born.
Its a rediculous half baked hippie idea that gathers pace because somebody with a nice dress says its what they do.

"its called attachment parenting" its called giving bad advice and risking the health of babies.

Oh so this is why you hate her, not the hair after all!

jane82

Oryx wrote: »

Oh so this is why you hate her, not the hair after all!

Again I dont hate her.
I dislike the great mother image she was given.

up for anything

jane82 wrote: »

"its called attachment parenting" its called giving bad advice and risking the health of babies.

Hahahaha... it's the way that for centuries babies were raised and still are in most parts of the world.

Da Shins Kelly

jane82 wrote: »

Again I dont hate her.
I dislike the great mother image she was given.

I can think of far worse examples of bad parenting than a woman who believes in attachment parenting. At least she gave a **** about her children. Why don't you go and direct your vitriol at someone who might actually deserve it? As is, this seems like a spectscular waste of time on your part.

jane82

up for anything wrote: »

Hahahaha... it's the way that for centuries babies were raised and still are in most parts of the world.

How are infant death rates in most part of the world?
How have infant death rates changed in the last few hundred years.
Haha yourself.

jane82

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I can think of far worse examples of bad parenting than a woman who believes in attachment parenting. At least she gave a **** about her children. Why don't you go and direct your vitriol at someone who might actually deserve it? As is, this seems like a spectscular waste of time on your part.

Again Im not saying she is a bad one yet. There is no proof saying she is a good one. But there is no end to the news of how great a mother she was.

jane82

jane82 wrote: »

How are infant death rates in most part of the world?
How have infant death rates changed in the last few hundred years.
Haha yourself.

And vaccinations and better healthcare have nothing to do with that?

Muise...

jane82 wrote: »

Again I dont hate her.
I dislike the great mother image she was given.

I don't think she was given a "great mother" image. People said that about her because they wanted to say nice things after the death of a woman too young to have made a name for herself for anything other than her parents and her children. And it's probably true that she was a good mother; most mothers are.

Oryx

jane82 wrote: »

Again I dont hate her.
I dislike the great mother image she was given.

But you accuse her not of being a bad mother, but of being a drunk.

ceadaoin.

jane82 wrote: »

How are infant death rates in most part of the world?
How have infant death rates changed in the last few hundred years.
Haha yourself.

The SIDS rates are much lower in countries where co sleeping is the norm

iguana

jane82 wrote: »

The longer you let the kids sleep in your bed the harder it is to get them in their own bed. Thats the truth.

Its a rediculous half baked hippie idea that gathers pace because somebody with a nice dress says its what they do.

"its called attachment parenting" its called giving bad advice and risking the health of babies.

Except of course pretty much all the scientific evidence categorically disagrees with all of your points. But don't let that get in the way of a good old bile spewing.:rolleyes:

up for anything

jane82 wrote: »

How are infant death rates in most part of the world?
How have infant death rates changed in the last few hundred years.
Haha yourself.

You should do a bit of reading around the the subject.

The last time I made a remark about a poster like you I ended up with an infraction so I won't be doing that this time.

dubstarr

Jane82 you should be absolutley ashamed of yourself.The vitriol and vile assumptions you have made of a young mother sadly no longer with her children.I have no idea what sort of parent she was [neither do you]but to slag her off and cal her a junkie without knowing all the facts is disgusting.
Seriously hang your head in shame.

Jesus Wept

jane82 wrote: »

By the looks of things she died on purpose or through taking too many drugs whilst minding a toddler.
Would she have loved spending time with her children if she had to be sober?

What horrible sh1te. Go away.

mylefttesticle

jane82 wrote: »

Its not her its the whole famous for being a mother with a nice buggy and good hair movement I dont like.
People eating up her strange parenting ideas because she was famous.

It is like you have intimate knowledge of her as a person and a parent, you don't! Your probably just a fat person in a tracksuit that studies brain dead celeb mags.

Penny Tration

Better off ignoring jane tbh. He's just getting a hard on over her death. Sick little person.

jane82

* "Research not conclusive:" There is no conclusive body of research that shows this approach to be superior to "mainstream parenting".[17]

* "Discipline:" It is indeed possible to use discipline strategies that are sensitive [18]
and, therefore, one should not equate discipline and insensitive caregiving.
* "Concerns over co-sleeping:" The American Academy of Pediatrics' policy on SIDS
prevention opposes bed-sharing with infants, although room-sharing is encouraged.[19]
 The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission
 also warns against co-sleeping.[20]
 Attachment Parenting International issued a response which stated that the data referenced in the Consumer Product Safety Commission statement were unreliable, and that co-sponsors of the campaign had created a conflict of interest.[21]

Some attachment parenting criticisms.
Im going to head out of this thread now. Id appreciate not getting 5 pages of abuse when I do head out its not easy staying away then.

gg2

jane82 wrote: »

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Some attachment parenting criticisms.
Im going to head out of this thread now. Id appreciate not getting 5 pages of abuse when I do head out its not easy staying away then.

Cheerio now. Hope the door doesn't smack you on the ass on your way out

Jesus Wept

jane82 wrote: »

Im going to head out of this thread now. Id appreciate not getting 5 pages of abuse when I do head out its not easy staying away then.

I imagine Peaches would have also appreciated that too.

Mod

Jane82, your posts are regularly filled with inflammatory vitriol. You've been warned before, this is the last warning you will receive. Keep your nasty posts out of this forum.

Do not post in this thread again.

Qualitymark

Please, please close this thread, which will be deeply upsetting to the Geldofs' Irish relatives if they read it.

Ann Landers

Muise... wrote: »

jane82 seems terribly excited at the possibility of Peaches somehow getting a comeuppance from her own death, , but in practical terms mental illness/depression would not make it easy to be any kind of mother at all.

As someone who has suffered from severe depression, I have to agree. I don't have children but I know that if I did, my ability to look after them would be severely compromised if I had them when I was in the worst depressed state I have experienced. I mean, I didn't even care about my personal hygiene at my absolute worst. The practical everyday baby/child stuff would have been neglected.

MagicMarker

Ann Landers wrote: »

As someone who has suffered from severe depression, I have to agree. I don't have children but I know that if I did, my ability to look after them would be severely compromised if I had them when I was in the worst depressed state I have experienced. I mean, I didn't even care about my personal hygiene at my absolute worst. The practical everyday baby/child stuff would have been neglected.

That doesn't make you a bad mother. A good mother is a good mother even if they get sick and can't attend to their children.

To use another football analogy, a good player doesn't become a bad player just because they get injured.

Ann Landers

Ann Landers wrote: »

As someone who has suffered from severe depression, I have to agree. I don't have children but I know that if I did, my ability to look after them would be severely compromised if I had them when I was in the worst depressed state I have experienced. I mean, I didn't even care about my personal hygiene at my absolute worst. The practical everyday baby/child stuff would have been neglected.

You have good maternal instincts. Your post puts the welfare of children above all else.

I hope all works out for you one day x

dark crystal

Ann Landers wrote: »

As someone who has suffered from severe depression, I have to agree. I don't have children but I know that if I did, my ability to look after them would be severely compromised if I had them when I was in the worst depressed state I have experienced. I mean, I didn't even care about my personal hygiene at my absolute worst. The practical everyday baby/child stuff would have been neglected.

Plenty of women get depression and it doesn't make them bad mothers. I had pretty bad postnatal depression and it didn't affect my ability to love or care for my children.

Many women are terrified of seeking help for their depression because of this attitude that depression equals an inability to parent properly and they don't want to take the risk of their children being taken from them because they're 'mentally incapable'.
The message really needs to be heard that having depression is something many mothers go through and it doesn't make them bad mothers. Public health nurses know to look for it and ask about it routinely now. I'd hate for mothers going through this to be reading this thread and coming away with the notion that depression makes them bad parents! It doesn't.

Besides, it's kind of a moot point, as Peaches Geldof, as far as we know, wasn't suffering from depression at all. Her cause of death still hasn't been determined, so before people jump on the 'Ah, she must be her mother's daughter' bandwagon, it might be best just to wait and see how she actually died first.

Ann Landers

MagicMarker wrote: »

That doesn't make you a bad mother. A good mother is a good mother even if they get sick and can't attend to their children.

To use another football analogy, a good player doesn't become a bad player just because they get injured.

But the footballer has to suspend duties for a while. So, you're not a bad mother, no, but the problem is that kids don't stop, they can't wait while you recover, unfortunately. Not to mention that children are far more perceptive than people give them credit for and will likely pick up on your low mood. This isn't the depressed person's fault but it's a problem all the same.

At my worst, I would have really struggled to care for children and that is the reality, for me at least.

Ann Landers

With the whole drugs thing, have people learned nothing from Stephen Gately's death? When he died, of course there was the usual murmuring about drugs, not to mention a certain hateful article written by a UK journalist, but it wasn't drugs, it was a heart condition.