Medical Consultants

davo10

barman linen wrote: »

Keep your head in the sand Dave....all over this town professionals have lost their b******* in 'lucrative property syndicates'. Fees are going up because the Government has introduced levies and has made cuts to health provisions - to pay for the folly of the lucrative property syndicates. Consultants have to raise fees to cover these additional costs - as someone referred to above.

We paid then and we are paying again now. Flame me all you want - I can see the reality every single working day in my job. Reality - not your rose coloured spectacles.

No matter how good this chap is - 300 against a range of 100 - 180 in his peer group is a rip off.

I will pay it - but it is still a rip off.

Isn't that what this forum is ?

BTW your sexist comments about the mum are misplaced and ignorant.

Just because you don't want to pay it, does not make it a rip off. Your €100 consultant (who you are happy with) couldn't help you and referred you to an expert. Pay the €300 or don't, if you feel that strongly I don't understand why you are paying it, you want to stand up to this "Emporer in new clothes" this guy who owes his shirt to Nama, etc, etc but at the same time your realise that he must be good and will pay it.

You looked back over my previous posts on other forums to make a point, here's one for you: this isn't the first letter you received that you didn't like, there was the letter from a solicitor regarding unpaid utility bills and of course the summons from your wife to family court. Maybe this has nothing to do with the consultant, you just don't like receiving letters which require you to pay.

L1011

barman linen wrote: »

No matter how good this chap is - 300 against a range of 100 - 180 in his peer group is a rip off.

I will pay it - but it is still a rip off.

If you're so certain you can get people of a similar quality for 100 to 180, why on earth are you going to pay 300? Suggests that you really do like being able to have a whinge and a moan more than anything else.

barman linen

davo10 wrote: »

. Maybe this has nothing to do with the consultant, you just don't like receiving letters which require you to pay.

Or maybe it means I stand up for myself and dont pander to the perceived superiority of certain professional classes.

In both the cases you mentioned I was successful in arguing my case - winning an apology from the firm of solicitors and getting a better outcome in court.

At least Judges have more wisdom than most of the contributors in this forum.

It pays to stand up for yourself - even though our society - and certain web forums - dont seem to like it.

Oral Surgeon

barman linen wrote: »

Or maybe it means I stand up for myself and dont pander to the perceived superiority of certain professional classes.

In both the cases you mentioned I was successful in arguing my case - winning an apology from the firm of solicitors and getting a better outcome in court.

At least Judges have more wisdom than most of the contributors in this forum.

It pays to stand up for yourself - even though our society - and certain web forums - dont seem to like it.

What is a rip off?? A higher price for the same goods or services maybe??

If you believe that this consultants services are the same as those charging less, then vote with your feet and don't go to him.

The reality is that you believe this consultant to be superior to the others. Therefore, can he not charge extra for his extra skill/knowledge/experience??

Either way, stop moaning about it. I don't complain that a BMW is a rip off just because it costs more than a Ford.

Mr. McGreg

Consultants are the very tip of the medical profession, they're never going to be cheap? It's also not mandatory to pay to see them, good stuff, pay or don't pay, go or don't go, democracy is great.

barman linen

Mr. McGreg wrote: »

Consultants are the very tip of the medical profession, they're never going to be cheap? It's also not mandatory to pay to see them, good stuff, pay or don't pay, go or don't go, democracy is great.

180 is not cheap - for someone at the very tip of their profession. 300 is a rip off. No matter how many consultants come on here to justify it - it is a rip off.

davo10

barman linen wrote: »

180 is not cheap - for someone at the very tip of their profession. 300 is a rip off. No matter how many consultants come on here to justify it - it is a rip off.

Why are you paying it? It's a simple question, none of us understand this. You are droning on/whinging about the price, you know there are others who cost less but you are still going to pay this more expensive consultant, so you must feel he's worth it or it doesn't make sense to any of the rest of us, for you not to go to the cheaper alternative. You can get it free (you wouldn't have to spend a cent on your daughters health) on the public list, surely that appeals to you?

You are a crusader, a champion for the consumer, a "caller outer" of indebted professionals everywhere, but at the end of the day when given a choice of paying lower prices or none at all, you choose the higher price. What a prize winner.

It's like my little boy, he has his own money, he wants sweeties but doesn't want to use his own money to buy them so he throws a strop, I tell him when he grows up he'll understand that everything has it's price and if you really want it, you have to pay for it.

Mr. McGreg

barman linen wrote: »

180 is not cheap - for someone at the very tip of their profession. 300 is a rip off. No matter how many consultants come on here to justify it - it is a rip off.

I can assure you, I am the furthest thing from a doctor of any sort! Can't speak for the rest of the posters but surely you understand that someone in one of the highest positions in the medical field, specializing in something that very few can do will charge high prices? Just because it's healthcare doesn't mean they're going to work for less like! If you were looking for a specialist in any other profession you'd expect to pay for it right?

L1011

barman linen wrote: »

180 is not cheap - for someone at the very tip of their profession. 300 is a rip off. No matter how many consultants come on here to justify it - it is a rip off.

So why are you going to pay it?

Moaning to the ends of the earth, as you're doing, and yet paying is one way to ensure that prices will just go up further. With all your bitching you're just perpetuating the issue.

Either vote with your feet or put up.

barman linen

The nature of my daughter's illness and the series of consultants we have been to see to discover the cause has been extensive.

As each consultant has cleared her from their speciality they refer her to another consultant to check another avenue. I would expect no less.

No other consultant ( 3 so far ) has charged more than 100 per consultation. This chap - last in the chain is 300. That is a rip off and I am only going to him because of the chain of tests that are all in her file. If this was a simple event I would not go near this chap.

I am perfectly entitled to call this a rip off in the context of his peer group. As long as I can remember consultants never charged such fees and they are creeping in now.

How many of you have paid in excess of 180 for a consultant lately ?

I would regard some of the earlier tests as being of more sophistication than this final one and they charged a lot less.

So - it is still a rip off.

davo10

barman linen wrote: »

The nature of my daughter's illness and the series of consultants we have been to see to discover the cause has been extensive.

As each consultant has cleared her from their speciality they refer her to another consultant to check another avenue. I would expect no less.

No other consultant ( 3 so far ) has charged more than 100 per consultation. This chap - last in the chain is 300. That is a rip off and I am only going to him because of the chain of tests that are all in her file. If this was a simple event I would not go near this chap.

I am perfectly entitled to call this a rip off in the context of his peer group. As long as I can remember consultants never charged such fees and they are creeping in now.

How many of you have paid in excess of 180 for a consultant lately ?

I would regard some of the earlier tests as being of more sophistication than this final one and they charged a lot less.

So - it is still a rip off.

The logic escapes me, you were happy to pay for tests that didn't diagnose the problem, but you are going to refuse the tests with the new guy which don't diagnose the problem? This guy's an expert, the others (so far unable to treat) have said so. I seriously think you should discuss this with the mum, you don't seem capable of grasping the situation nor the implications for your daughter.

L1011

barman linen wrote: »

The nature of my daughter's illness and the series of consultants we have been to see to discover the cause has been extensive.

As each consultant has cleared her from their speciality they refer her to another consultant to check another avenue. I would expect no less.

No other consultant ( 3 so far ) has charged more than 100 per consultation. This chap - last in the chain is 300. That is a rip off and I am only going to him because of the chain of tests that are all in her file. If this was a simple event I would not go near this chap.

I am perfectly entitled to call this a rip off in the context of his peer group. As long as I can remember consultants never charged such fees and they are creeping in now.

How many of you have paid in excess of 180 for a consultant lately ?

I would regard some of the earlier tests as being of more sophistication than this final one and they charged a lot less.

So - it is still a rip off.

Nobody is saying its not a rip-off - we're saying that you're just perpetuating the problem by whinging about it and not going elsewhere. It really does seem that you're sticking with this consultant to give you a justification to bitch.

barman linen

davo10 wrote: »

I seriously think you should discuss this with the mum, you don't seem capable of grasping the situation nor the implications for your daughter.

What if there is no Mum ? Your sexist comments are a disgrace.

barman linen

MYOB wrote: »

Nobody is saying its not a rip-off - we're saying that you're just perpetuating the problem by whinging about it and not going elsewhere. It really does seem that you're sticking with this consultant to give you a justification to bitch.[/QUOTE


No I am not....I am pointing out that he is out fo whack with his peer group and thought this forum was a location for highlighting what i see as a rip off.

I have explained above the reason I ( saw ) him.

To end the story with a twist - my daughter was given the all clear BUT he decided to 'screen' me due to the family history...and so the circle begins.

Oral Surgeon

barman linen wrote: »

MYOB wrote: »

Nobody is saying its not a rip-off - we're saying that you're just perpetuating the problem by whinging about it and not going elsewhere. It really does seem that you're sticking with this consultant to give you a justification to bitch.[/QUOTE


No I am not....I am pointing out that he is out fo whack with his peer group and thought this forum was a location for highlighting what i see as a rip off.

I have explained above the reason I ( saw ) him.

To end the story with a twist - my daughter was given the all clear BUT he decided to 'screen' me due to the family history...and so the circle begins.

Ah, I have diagnosed your problem; you have €300 in your account and it should not be there, it should be in the consultants account....

What's he screening you for?? Being tight??

davo10

barman linen wrote: »

What if there is no Mum ? Your sexist comments are a disgrace.

You posted on another thread that there is, she brought you to family court to get you to pay maintanence.

You should not use posts from other forums to make your point, unless you are willing to allow your own posts to be used in reply.

L1011

barman linen wrote: »

No I am not....I am pointing out that he is out fo whack with his peer group and thought this forum was a location for highlighting what i see as a rip off.

I have explained above the reason I ( saw ) him.

So you willingly paid it, then. So why are you still bleating about it?

davo10

barman linen wrote: »

No I am not....I am pointing out that he is out fo whack with his peer group and thought this forum was a location for highlighting what i see as a rip off.

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He is not required to be "in whack" with all others, if all had the same prices you would be accusing them of being a cartel. All shirts, cars, meals, drinks, rates are not the same price, why should consultants be?

This is the rip off forum but posters don't usually whinge in advance of purchasing, and then purchase. It's like saying, "that's a rip off but it's worth it", there is a clear contradiction.

quadrifoglio verde

barman linen wrote: »

No I am not....I am pointing out that he is out fo whack with his peer group and thought this forum was a location for highlighting what i see as a rip off.

I have explained above the reason I ( saw ) him.

To end the story with a twist - my daughter was given the all clear BUT he decided to 'screen' me due to the family history...and so the circle begins.

And what happens if by screening you, he finds something that saves your life because it was found in time?

How would you feel say in 2 years time, you were feeling weak, debilitated, susceptible to infection (i don't know what he's screening you for, but insert symptoms commonly associated with the disease) and you went to the doctor.
Doctor refers you to tests etc and it comes back with bad news. Sorry barman linen, its too late. theres nothing that can be done for you now. Had it been found 2 years ago we could have treated with a 60% chance of success, but right now the best thing for you to do is go put your house in order.....youd be wishing you had that screen done 2 years earlier wouldn't you?

While he is more expensive compared to the other consultants that you saw, he feels that his time and expertise is worth more money, as does the market. Maybe he is the top consultant in his field of specialisation in this country. Would it be right and just for him to get paid the same as the average person in his field of specialisation in this country?
Of course it wouldn't.

He has a professional rate, that his patients are willing to pay him to receive his treatment and expertise. If you weren't happy with his rate, there was nothing stopping you from going to another consultant who charged less, but hey, he may not have been as good.


On a positive note, I'm glad that your daughter was given the all clear and i hope that you get the all clear as well.

Arbiter of Good Taste

barman linen wrote: »

What if there is no Mum ? Your sexist comments are a disgrace.

You're really just looking for a reason to have an argument.

Arbiter of Good Taste

barman linen wrote: »

How many of you have paid in excess of 180 for a consultant lately ?.

I have, and it was worth every penny IMO

barman linen

davo10 wrote: »

You posted on another thread that there is, she brought you to family court to get you to pay maintanence.

You should not use posts from other forums to make your point, unless you are willing to allow your own posts to be used in reply.

How long ago was that post Dave....stop embarrassing yourself.

davo10

barman linen wrote: »

Dave,


I see from 1487 posts you only started 2 threads - one about a golf club etiquette issue - ask your fellow members what is the reality. You may get bull**** but the kid in the emperor's new clothes saw through it. There is a moral in every story.

I'm not embarrassed about you posting that your wife had to bring you to family court to get you to pay maintenance for your daughter, why would I be?.

Incidentally the golf thread you referred to above which I started, was three years ago. You shouldn't have done that, I'm not sure what point you were trying to make by dragging up an old post from another thread, mine in response, was to make the point that for all your bluster, you just don't like paying. As they say on the law shows, you opened the door, others are allowed to walk through it.

Resurrecting this thread does you no favours.

barman linen

davo10 wrote: »

I'm not embarrassed about you posting that your wife had to bring you to family court to get you to pay maintenance for your daughter, why would I be?.

More ignorance....I was paying very significant maintenance and I resisted paying more. The judge agreed and in fact reduced what I was paying. I like to pay what is due and no more.

300 in a range of 100-180 is a rip off. Still.


I see you have plenty of form defending medical consultants...maybe your foursome this weekend gave you some more gusto to wade in. Best of luck in your rounds this week.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056215505

One of your quotes from that thread...

I the last year my 6 year old son had to see an ENT consultant and my wife an Orthopeadic consultant, in both cases the private fee was €150.00 which i thought was reasonable but i do not live in Leinster

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Often certain consultants, especially those in at the very top of their game, set fees in order to put off potential trouble makers and ejits, anyone that is going to argue over the consult fee (usually the cheapest thing the consultant does) is going to be breaking balls about tests and investigations, not allowing them to practice their craft properly and damaging their reputation. If this consultant runs that model then it looks to be working successfully.


Those that offer a superior service can charge higher prices. If you see no benefit in the superiority of the service over the service of those that charge a more standard price, then its a waste of your time go to see this consultant, job done 300 euro saved.

barman linen

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/irish-hospital-consultants-among-highest-paid-in-the-world-1.1850847

gugleguy

Does quality of service from the HSE reflect this level of pay tho?:(:mad: