reseeding

frazzledhome

Buncha Fives wrote: »

I always took it to be the same, I am pretty sure the leaflet said 2.5-3ltr per hect and I was always told don't be shy with the water as its the cheapest part and the more water the better the spray. I would be no expert on spraying that why I was interested to get other peoples opinions. Sprayed off grass at this rate before and it appeared to be die off very well.

If you've old pasture or old rye grasses 7 litres per ha with lots of water 1000 litres for 2.5 ha

Timmaay

Any of yous on dry land, when are you going to reseed? If the weather breaks I'd be hoping to get in ASAP, my dad would much rather wait till late September.

Greengrass1

Timmaay wrote: »

Any of yous on dry land, when are you going to reseed? If the weather breaks I'd be hoping to get in ASAP, my dad would much rather wait till late September.

Supposed to be heavy 24hrs of rain starting tonight down this end

stretch film

Timmaay wrote: »

Any of yous on dry land, when are you going to reseed? If the weather breaks I'd be hoping to get in ASAP, my dad would much rather wait till late September.

Have given up on idea this year. Ground too hard for a while yet. Dont think weather is due for a big break. Late autumn rarely gives an opportunity to spray and graze before wet conditions.

nashmach

Sami23 wrote: »

Why wouldn't you include clover in a wetland mix ?

Because clover is not a fan of wetland and also it does not like being poached etc which is inevitable to a degree with wetter land.

td5man

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Supposed to be heavy 24hrs of rain starting tonight down this end

Supposed to be very warm for rest of the month

nhg

We did last years reseed just before the ploughing championship last year, felt it was too late as nothing to spray or graze before the winter, then in spring by the time that you could spray it was gone too strong, that's why we went with it this week, a lot of rain forecast for tonight. We will just have to see how it works out and at least we will know for future reseeds when suits our ground best.

I said

nhg wrote: »

We did last years reseed just before the ploughing championship last year, felt it was too late as nothing to spray or graze before the winter, then in spring by the time that you could spray it was gone too strong, that's why we went with it this week, a lot of rain forecast for tonight. We will just have to see how it works out and at least we will know for future reseeds when suits our ground best.

I sprayed mid August and sowed 1st week September worked out very well but I reckon I got lucky with the warm autumn last year

larthehar

Although it makes the process longer, I like to spray with d50 a few days after roundup if the weeds are bad.. gets a much better kill imo...

Roundup only tends to leave dirt behind..

Greengrass1

larthehar wrote: »

Although it makes the process longer, I like to spray with d50 a few days after roundup if the weeds are bad.. gets a much better kill imo...

Roundup only tends to leave dirt behind..

Lads in my DG group put grazon in with the round up leaves a very clean sward

larthehar

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Lads in my DG group put grazon in with the round up leaves a very clean sward

Might try that next time.. I asked the local merchant about mixing the two and he was dead against it.. apparently the active chemicals react..

Greengrass1

larthehar wrote: »

Might try that next time.. I asked the local merchant about mixing the two and he was dead against it.. apparently the active chemicals react..

The lad that told me thus now has a lot if vegetables and fruit as well as cows and would know his stuff about sprays

stanflt

I hate picking stones!!!

whelan2

larthehar wrote: »

Might try that next time.. I asked the local merchant about mixing the two and he was dead against it.. apparently the active chemicals react..

used both together in knapsack to spray briars etc under fences its a great job.

severeoversteer

stanflt wrote: »

I hate picking stones!!!

you have no idea how lucky you are if I could show you the land I was picking stones on yesterday,
we were filling a dumptrailer every 50 - 60 yards

have to take a different approach to the rest of the land though
I might get a guy with those stone crushers for tractors,

Greengrass1

whelan2 wrote: »

used both together in knapsack to spray briars etc under fences its a great job.

Only prob is it is very expensive if you go to do large areas.
One can only makes 150litres

whelan2

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Only prob is it is very expensive if you go to do large areas.
One can only makes 150litres

that would be 10 knapsacks:D

Parishlad

severeoversteer wrote: »

you have no idea how lucky you are if I could show you the land I was picking stones on yesterday,
we were filling a dumptrailer every 50 - 60 yards

have to take a different approach to the rest of the land though
I might get a guy with those stone crushers for tractors,

Was only talking to a lad this evening to get him in with a rake that will at least leave the stones in rows and should be a bit easier to gather them up. Have too much other stuff to do than picking stones!

bogman_bass

stanflt wrote: »

I hate picking stones!!!

I'm still picking stones from the last bit I reseeded in september! Bloody boulders I'm finding!

razor8

Have some overseeding done a week now, serious rain here the last few hours should crown it, very welcome

severeoversteer

Parishlad wrote: »

Was only talking to a lad this evening to get him in with a rake that will at least leave the stones in rows and should be a bit easier to gather them up. Have too much other stuff to do than picking stones!

you could gather from the rows with a riddle bucket or a beet bucket to take all the work out of it

moy83

severeoversteer wrote: »

you could gather from the rows with a riddle bucket or a beet bucket to take all the work out of it

Mate of mine made a stone rake for the back of the tractor this year , it worked well . Puts two rows into a line and he just came along then with the digger and riddling bucket to throw them into the dumptrailer

razor8

moy83 wrote: »

Mate of mine made a stone rake for the back of the tractor this year , it worked well . Puts two rows into a line and he just came along then with the digger and riddling bucket to throw them into the dumptrailer

Love to see a picture of that machine in action

nhg

Cleaned out a 1/4 acre old paddock, gained from over 4' to over 10' at an angle when we cleared the bushes etc.... But did we have some cleanup... Rotten remains of Old beetles & morris minors, the spot where the manure bags were dumped (totally disintegrated into pieces), the spot where the building rubble was dumped and the bottle bank.... Picked up about 7 manure bags of broken bottles, twine & disintegrated plastic.

Took 11 tractor loader buckets of stones off it as well (they'll fill in a few gaps) and a load for the scrap metal man.

Now I know why the ditch was allowed grow so far out into the paddock.... But sure at least it's cleaned up now & reseeded.

moy83

razor8 wrote: »

Love to see a picture of that machine in action

I think he is on Facebook and probably has the pictures up there . Ill find out later and pm you .
Its like a rotospike with the spikes at an angle to throw the stones out to one side

td5man

Cut and graze; 2.5 glenveagh 2.5 piccadilly 2.5 stefani 3.5 aberplentiful .75 clover opinions? ??

Muckit

nashmach wrote: »

Because clover is not a fan of wetland and also it does not like being poached etc which is inevitable to a degree with wetter land.

I don't know if l'd agree with this. Have plenty of clover growing here on land that would have heavy sticky 'daub' type subsoil with only a couple if inches of topsoil. Would have good amount of clover in the swarth. Unreal this year with the heat.

I think, like grass it's how it's managed. Graze and/or top tight and move cattle on.

ted_182

td5man wrote: »

Cut and graze; 2.5 glenveagh 2.5 piccadilly 2.5 stefani 3.5 aberplentiful .75 clover opinions? ??

Is it bought td5man? If not ring germinal seeds and ask who supplies their seed in you're locality, buy the the top five extend mix with abergain, aberchoice and tyrella, you won't regret it

td5man

ted_182 wrote: »

Is it bought td5man? If not ring germinal seeds and ask who supplies their seed in you're locality, buy the the top five extend mix with abergain, aberchoice and tyrella, you won't regret it

Nope, I have abergain aberchoice tyrella and drumbo mix sown last autumn.
What would it be like for 3 cuts of silage?

Greengrass1

td5man wrote: »

Nope, I have abergain aberchoice tyrella and drumbo mix sown last autumn.
What would it be like for 3 cuts of silage?

Would ye sow a hybrid?

td5man

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Would ye sow a hybrid?

Was thinking about it, how many years would you expect to get out of it?
Local supplier has tetragraze and solid.

Greengrass1

td5man wrote: »

Was thinking about it, how many years would you expect to get out of it?

4-5 if looked after well.
New variety Moore park have on trial looks promising.
Lasts 10 yrs
Closes up at 400 opened at 4090.
Grazed this yr every 10-14 days.
Lads poached the arse out of it down there this spring and was still there.
Very hard to manage if you have a considerable area

Robson99

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Would ye sow a hybrid?

Just wondering ye guys think of the hybrids?. Have used IRG before but was a bit disapointed with it. Part my own fault, sowed it in a heavy soil field which meant taking cuts of silage of it were weather dependant rather than cutting at the leafy stage. Found second cut went to seed very quickly and also only got 3 seasons out of it.
Have been reseeding for the last few years and have a field to do close to the farmyard next which I intend to use for taking silage off. Would ye recommend putting in a hybrid and reseed again 5 years later or put in a more conventional mix that would give me two cuts and last 8 to 10 years. Field is a good dry one with good soil fertility

Greengrass1

Robson99 wrote: »

Just wondering ye guys think of the hybrids?. Have used IRG before but was a bit disapointed with it. Part my own fault, sowed it in a heavy soil field which meant taking cuts of silage of it were weather dependant rather than cutting at the leafy stage. Found second cut went to seed very quickly and also only got 3 seasons out of it.
Have been reseeding for the last few years and have a field to do close to the farmyard next which I intend to use for taking silage off. Would ye recommend putting in a hybrid and reseed again 5 years later or put in a more conventional mix that would give me two cuts and last 8 to 10 years. Field is a good dry one with good soil fertility

I sowed 12 ac of hybrid this spring. V happy with it do far. Cut two weeks ago and a hood cover of 1000 on it already will cut again cone September. We sowed 8 ac of itailian last yr and can't compare it to hybrid. Complete different beast. Much thicker base. I plan on sowing the rest of that 40 acre field to hybrid next autumn

td5man

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I sowed 12 ac of hybrid this spring. V happy with it do far. Cut two weeks ago and a hood cover of 1000 on it already will cut again cone September. We sowed 8 ac of itailian last yr and can't compare it to hybrid. Complete different beast. Much thicker base. I plan on sowing the rest of that 40 acre field to hybrid next autumn

Which variety have you got gg?

Greengrass1

td5man wrote: »

Which variety have you got gg?

Pirol and abereve I think is the other one.
Advisor was here few weeks ago and said itailian is really only grass crossed with barley its main aim is to go to seed and grow as quick as it can

micky mouse

Muckit wrote: »

I don't know if l'd agree with this. Have plenty of clover growing here on land that would have heavy sticky 'daub' type subsoil with only a couple if inches of topsoil. Would have good amount of clover in the swarth. Unreal this year with the heat.

I think, like grass it's how it's managed. Graze and/or top tight and move cattle on.

how do you reseed the 'daub' type ground muckit..would imagine turning the sod over would not be an option due to depth of topsoil.have this ground mezelf,be interesting to know your system.tha ks

mahoney_j

I put In an irg/crimson mix on April 15 this year .grazed with calves 5 weeks after sowingvtobthicken it up,2 cuts taken of it since and a third cut in September,savage stuff to grow.beeds to be managed correctly though ,don't poach it,don't cut it very low and cruical to cut every 4 to 5 weeks max.its primarily a silage mix and just wants to be cut and fed n p and k.it would be very hard to manage in a grazing system as id say at peak growth you'd need to be in it every 7 to 9 days.id be more inclined to put in a traditional mix with good mix of all year growth rather than hybrid or irg unless it's specifically for silage

frazzledhome

mahoney_j wrote: »

I put In an irg/crimson mix on April 15 this year .grazed with calves 5 weeks after sowingvtobthicken it up,2 cuts taken of it since and a third cut in September,savage stuff to grow.beeds to be managed correctly though ,don't poach it,don't cut it very low and cruical to cut every 4 to 5 weeks max.its primarily a silage mix and just wants to be cut and fed n p and k.it would be very hard to manage in a grazing system as id say at peak growth you'd need to be in it every 7 to 9 days.id be more inclined to put in a traditional mix with good mix of all year growth rather than hybrid or irg unless it's specifically for silage

MJ, have you a figure on tonnes grown

stanflt

mahoney_j wrote: »

I put In an irg/crimson mix on April 15 this year .grazed with calves 5 weeks after sowingvtobthicken it up,2 cuts taken of it since and a third cut in September,savage stuff to grow.beeds to be managed correctly though ,don't poach it,don't cut it very low and cruical to cut every 4 to 5 weeks max.its primarily a silage mix and just wants to be cut and fed n p and k.it would be very hard to manage in a grazing system as id say at peak growth you'd need to be in it every 7 to 9 days.id be more inclined to put in a traditional mix with good mix of all year growth rather than hybrid or irg unless it's specifically for silage

Could you or would it work to oversow crimson into existing silage swaths with a rakeman 3000 or similar

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

MJ, have you a figure on tonnes grown

Normal silage grass done 5.7t so far. Off one cut. Still have to take second cut off it. Down 5 yrs

Itailian 8.3t from two cuts
That's just from weighing it before I cut. Might get another 5 bales/ac next cut

mahoney_j

frazzledhome wrote: »

MJ, have you a figure on tonnes grown

This is a field away from milk block with no crush and limited handling facalites .as regards tonnes grown don't know as I don't measure it as it's just purely for silage .on the 2 cuts taken ive got just over 12 bales per acre so far of well wilted silage with high dm content.

mahoney_j

stanflt wrote: »

Could you or would it work to oversow crimson into existing silage swaths with a rakeman 3000 or similar

Yes ,crimson though is a bit brittle but loaded with protein .took a core of first cut I took and results were phenomenal ,83.4 dmd,46.8 dm and 19.6% protein

ted_182

mahoney_j wrote: »

Yes ,crimson though is a bit brittle but loaded with protein .took a core of first cut I took and results were phenomenal ,83.4 dmd,46.8 dm and 19.6% protein

Christ, imagine feeding them along with wholecrop next spring, u may aswell start milking three times a day :D

Greengrass1

Seen an add there on done deal for a company that makes sees mixtures. It said if doing a reseed in spring why not add westorwolds to the mix. It will grow 20-25 t/acre in the yr of sowing.
Anyone sow westorwolds before?

frazzledhome

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Seen an add there on done deal for a company that makes sees mixtures. It said if doing a reseed in spring why not add westorwolds to the mix. It will grow 20-25 t/acre in the yr of sowing.
Anyone sow westorwolds before?

Used to drill after maize for zgrazing in feb & march. Thank god that madness ended

stanflt

frazzledhome wrote: »

Used to drill after maize for zgrazing in feb & march. Thank god that madness ended

The maize or the westerwold

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

Used to drill after maize for zgrazing in feb & march. Thank god that madness ended

Hardship?
Was the grass quality good?

frazzledhome

stanflt wrote: »

The maize or the westerwold

I knew you'd ask, maize and zgrazing

blue5000

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Seen an add there on done deal for a company that makes sees mixtures. It said if doing a reseed in spring why not add westorwolds to the mix. It will grow 20-25 t/acre in the yr of sowing.
Anyone sow westorwolds before?

Ya as above put it in after maize, it's almost like scutch! Gave an early bite in spring, not very palatable as a grazing grass. Needs to be sprayed off before ploughing in or else it comes up in the following maize crop.