reseeding

johndeere3350

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Have tonne of phisolith to spread.
I'd like to get a grazing of it at least if u could
If its up a week after sowing there us still 15 units of N there for the plant

You will get a grazing off it alright might take up to two weeks before its up tho.
Keep it tight as you can going into winter .
Goes in ****e if you don't

conor t

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Possibly will reseed this 8ac next week depending on weather and what other work we have going on. Herd my question.
0-10-20 vs 10-10-20
Talking to two lads the other day and they reckoned 0-10-20 was better to use at sowing.
There view on it was with 10-10-20 the nitrogen isn't utilised and you only drive up weeds.
Any one else use 0-10-20.
Only need 1200kgs so will just drive down to coop for it. They have both there

I'd go with 101020 if the weeds aren't going to grow as well without n the grass won't establish as well either and you'll be spraying off weeds either way

mahoney_j

Go with 10 10 20,weeds will come up regardless,also go with bag and a half of pasture sward after 3 weeks.new seeds live n p and k.graze as soon as possible after 6 to 7 weeks if well established then a ligh grazing every 2 weeks till mid October .

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Go with 10 10 20,weeds will come up regardless,also go with bag and a half of pasture sward after 3 weeks.new seeds live n p and k.graze as soon as possible after 6 to 7 weeks if well established then a ligh grazing every 2 weeks till mid October .

Ye I'll get a big bag of pasture sward over 8 acres should be enough.
Biggest mistake we made before when reseeding was not putting out the the fert when it was established.
Reseed we did last summer is crap as a result

freedominacup

I was at the teagasc/giil monitor farm walk yesterday. Good farm and farmer. No reseeding done for a good while but most of the swards looked to be in very good order. All of the farm was index 1/2 and teagasc were recommending that the indexes were sorted before any reseeding was done. He's on course to grow 13+ tonnes this year up from 10 a few years ago. He's been following a fert and lime programme for the past three years to move the farm to index three. Is reseeding sometimes an expensive way of papering over the cracks in our soil fertility?

ellewood

Any rough idea what the fert/lime prog was?
Most of here is in 2 and want to bring it up to grow more grass


Btw was on a 'better beef' farm this spring and he was growing a lot of grass as well and he didn't know when and fields were reseeded last!
I think he was mostly 3 and 4's tho so he had a good start.

freedominacup

ellewood wrote: »

Any rough idea what the fert/lime prog was?
Most of here is in 2 and want to bring it up to grow more grass


Btw was on a 'better beef' farm this spring and he was growing a lot of grass as well and he didn't know when and fields were reseeded last!
I think he was mostly 3 and 4's tho so he had a good start.

Lime was to the soil analysis from four to ten tonnes required on different plots. A lot of 18.6.12 being used and 27.2.5.5 throughout the season. He uses the 18.6.12 early and late though he used some on this rotation to get things moving after the drought.

Milked out

If one is in derogation territory bringing up the p index is difficult enough if one is to stay within the rules. Do many of ye test slurry before application?

Greengrass1

At the monitor farm walk in today in Wexford. Very good.
Teagasc say 100 units to go from index one to index3
I'll be looking to get the monitor farm for next 3 yrs

Sami23

Greengrass1 wrote: »

At the monitor farm walk in today in Wexford. Very good.
Teagasc say 100 units to go from index one to index3
I'll be looking to get the monitor farm for next 3 yrs

Is that 100 units of P and K ?

Greengrass1

Sami23 wrote: »

Is that 100 units of P and K ?

They were just talking about p there. If ye take P @200/tonne thats 20k for a 100 acre farm.

Greengrass1

freedominacup wrote: »

I was at the teagasc/giil monitor farm walk yesterday. Good farm and farmer. No reseeding done for a good while but most of the swards looked to be in very good order. All of the farm was index 1/2 and teagasc were recommending that the indexes were sorted before any reseeding was done. He's on course to grow 13+ tonnes this year up from 10 a few years ago. He's been following a fert and lime programme for the past three years to move the farm to index three. Is reseeding sometimes an expensive way of papering over the cracks in our soil fertility?

IMO from being at the IGA tour this week andvtge monitor farm today I think if you have scutch/bent grass reseed it. If you have old swards leave them until you get p and k up then reseed.
I have 10 more acres more to do next yr that has scutch and then I will hold on for a yr or two and spend the money on fert

just do it

freedominacup wrote: »

I was at the teagasc/giil monitor farm walk yesterday. Good farm and farmer. No reseeding done for a good while but most of the swards looked to be in very good order. All of the farm was index 1/2 and teagasc were recommending that the indexes were sorted before any reseeding was done. He's on course to grow 13+ tonnes this year up from 10 a few years ago. He's been following a fert and lime programme for the past three years to move the farm to index three. Is reseeding sometimes an expensive way of papering over the cracks in our soil fertility?

Reseeding with poor soil fertility is like building without a foundation.

Night Nav

just do it wrote: »

Reseeding with poor soil fertility is like building without a foundation.

I have a poor field myself and was thinking of putting in 3 tonne of lime now and 4 bags of 10.10.20 and set a field of rape and come and reseed in the spring and come in with another 3 tonne of lime and 4 bags of 10,10,20 is this a good or a bad idea or what do ye people think

Milked out

Night Nav wrote: »

I have a poor field myself and was thinking of putting in 3 tonne of lime now and 4 bags of 10.10.20 and set a field of rape and come and reseed in the spring and come in with another 3 tonne of lime and 4 bags of 10,10,20 is this a good or a bad idea or what do ye people think

Take a soil sample first an you'll know what you will need to put out. On the rape if grazing over winter you also have to take in to account the physical damage to the structure of the soil as weĺl

Greengrass1

Night Nav wrote: »

I have a poor field myself and was thinking of putting in 3 tonne of lime now and 4 bags of 10.10.20 and set a field of rape and come and reseed in the spring and come in with another 3 tonne of lime and 4 bags of 10,10,20 is this a good or a bad idea or what do ye people think

That's way too much lime in one yr.
3 tonne Max in one yr. You will lock up every mineral and trace elument in the field
As milked out said take a soil sample.
Have you a recent soil sample?

poor farmer

Night Nav wrote: »

I have a poor field myself and was thinking of putting in 3 tonne of lime now and 4 bags of 10.10.20 and set a field of rape and come and reseed in the spring and come in with another 3 tonne of lime and 4 bags of 10,10,20 is this a good or a bad idea or what do ye people think

Thats a good idea ,but an expensive one about €350 an acre for lime and fertilizer alone .
You would want to be growing "wacky backy " to pay for it.

Lambofdave

freedominacup wrote: »

Is reseeding sometimes an expensive way of papering over the cracks in our soil fertility?

You are correct, but older crap grass still isn't as good a newer crap grass. What people should do is look at over seeding, but that still means having the basics right and management

A liming leaflet from teagasc
http://www.teagasc.ie/publications/2010/20100910a/AdviceOnLiming.pdf

agriman27

Is anyone else finding it impossible to get ground sprayed off reseeding, very hard to get a few calm hours and dry grass

just do it

agriman27 wrote: »

Is anyone else finding it impossible to get ground sprayed off reseeding, very hard to get a few calm hours and dry grass

2 good weeks coming for it.

I said

just do it wrote: »

2 good weeks coming for it.

Yeah I'm sick thought the chance was gone for this year and made decision not to reseed will wait till spring

Greengrass1

Reseeding tomorrow. I could nearly light a fire on the ground the grass is that dry

sandydan

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Reseeding tomorrow. I could nearly light a fire on the ground the grass is that dry

ploughed some black ground last week despite 4wd slipping on surface it's bone dry an inch down

Greengrass1

sandydan wrote: »

ploughed some black ground last week despite 4wd slipping on surface it's bone dry an inch down

There's a nice biy of moisture in the ground so should get a good take

agriman27

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Reseeding tomorrow. I could nearly light a fire on the ground the grass is that dry

The sunny south east

sandydan

Greengrass1 wrote: »

There's a nice biy of moisture in the ground so should get a good take

seed put in 3 weeks ago has taken off, thought it was gone for pigeon :eek: feed

Greengrass1

sandydan wrote: »

seed put in 3 weeks ago has taken off, thought it was gone for pigeon :eek: feed

Only came up now?

sandydan

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Only came up now?

yea, fellas allround me soaked , had 8 acres saved for 2nd cut sold it to fella needing roughage for bulls, nearest thing to crisped iv'e ever seen,didn't pay for fertilizer:(. he made round bales of it 4 days after cutting dont know if he wrapped it or not , rang several times to know if it's raining and he lives 4 miles away

Greengrass1

sandydan wrote: »

yea, fellas allround me soaked , had 8 acres saved for 2nd cut sold it to fella needing roughage for bulls, nearest thing to crisped iv'e ever seen,didn't pay for fertilizer:(. he made round bales of it 4 days after cutting dont know if he wrapped it or not , rang several times to know if it's raining and he lives 4 miles away

Got a good dollip of rain here too. 3rd cut looking okay. Light enough too

sandydan

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Got a good dollip of rain here too. 3rd cut looking okay. Light enough too

im half afraid to put out fert , i think roots are turned up as cattle are pulling clumps of grass, at minute. neighbour cut grass a few weeks ago and fed older bales to dry cattle instead,was afraid cattle would trample grass into ground as it had seeded out , difference he has river running by land for water source to dilute watery slurry even more and that's working now, but two streams running through mine are nearly dry, fellas have to careful even sucking water out of river for that crack too , a few years ago a fella had dedicated hose for it and made news as was reported as pumping slurry into river.im okay for winter feed, bit slow selling bales as ive been stung a few times , maddening to see the culprits standing rounds of drink in pubs a few times one even had gall to offer to pay for round of drinks i had ordered, must think 1 7up for friend and pint of Guinness for myself was payment

Greengrass1

Ready to sow tomorrow

sandydan

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Ready to sow tomorrow

was that sprayed off and was it disked or did you use grubber , definitely ready for seed.will do well,anyways when it's up you have readymade bird scarer in background

Greengrass1

sandydan wrote: »

was that sprayed off and was it disked or did you use grubber , definitely ready for seed.will do well,anyways when it's up you have readymade bird scarer in background

Yupp sprayed off after grazing 2 wks ago. Should really have mowed it to get some more grass off it.
7l/ha disced with ring roller on back

happylad

Hi folks. We're goin at a second cut of silage this week and are thinking about reseeding the field also. We were thinking of just cutting the silage and discing and stiching in the grass seed straight after. We weren't goin to spray of the field prior to cutting the silage. Has anyone used this method before. What sort of results are to be got or should we just go the route of spraying of prior to cutting.

Greengrass1

happylad wrote: »

Hi folks. We're goin at a second cut of silage this week and are thinking about reseeding the field also. We were thinking of just cutting the silage and discing and stiching in the grass seed straight after. We weren't goin to spray of the field prior to cutting the silage. Has anyone used this method before. What sort of results are to be got or should we just go the route of spraying of prior to cutting.

What sort of grass is in it? Is it old perennial ley or scutch?
Ye might as well go the rest if the way and spray off.
And I would stitch in if field is nice and level?

happylad

Thanks for the reply. It's a field that there was never anything done to so its very old grass that's in it. The grass that's in tends to not have much leaf but all stem. There are no weeds in it. There is a lot of clover in the field

Greengrass1

happylad wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. It's a field that there was never anything done to so its very old grass that's in it. The grass that's in tends to not have much leaf but all stem. There are no weeds in it. There is a lot of clover in the field

Pull up few roots and see if they are white or purple. If its white the grass is not perennial.
If its level. I'd spray tomorrow cut in 5 days and stitch. That's my opinion now you might have other ideas

Justjens

For us lads that can't spray......

Cut silage, liberal dose of well rotted manure and:







Now all it needs is a rolling and a light grazing in about three weeks time.

visatorro

Justjens wrote: »

For us lads that can't spray......

Cut silage, liberal dose of well rotted manure and:







Now all it needs is a rolling and a light grazing in about three weeks time.

make sure you stick up a picture of that in that spring! iv never seen that being done before

Night Nav

For us lads that can't spray......

Cut silage, liberal dose of well rotted manure and:



Now all it needs is a rolling and a light grazing in about three weeks time.[/QUOTE]

What type of seed do you use in those situations is it your normal mixes or something differrent

Justjens

Night Nav wrote: »

What type of seed do you use in those situations is it your normal mixes or something differrent

Currently using an organic rejuvenator mix with some early and middle rye grasses, plus extra clover (can't lay my hand on label at present).

Used the same method a few years ago but paid a contractor with a power harrow, didn't take so well last year as I was a bit late cutting due to lack of rain, although the clover was thick when I cut last week.

Still have 5 acres to do this week once I get the FYM out.

Farmer Pudsey

happylad wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. It's a field that there was never anything done to so its very old grass that's in it. The grass that's in tends to not have much leaf but all stem. There are no weeds in it. There is a lot of clover in the field

Justjens wrote: »

Currently using an organic rejuvenator mix with some early and middle rye grasses, plus extra clover (can't lay my hand on label at present).

Used the same method a few years ago but paid a contractor with a power harrow, didn't take so well last year as I was a bit late cutting due to lack of rain, although the clover was thick when I cut last week.

Still have 5 acres to do this week once I get the FYM out.

are you organic if not I would spray off old grass as it greens up. Old clover is not as good as modern clovers, a post emergence spray after and you have a clean sward for years.

just do it

Justjens

Is the organic seed mix expensive?

sandydan

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

are you organic if not I would spray off old grass as it greens up. Old clover is not as good as modern clovers, a post emergence spray after and you have a clean sward for years.

can you get red clover seed still its not as persistent as white but imo better ,more palatable

Justjens

just do it wrote: »

Justjens

Is the organic seed mix expensive?

Can't find docket but it is more expensive than conventional mixes.

mahoney_j

At 3 week stage ,very happy with progress.

just do it

mahoney_j wrote: »

At 3 week stage ,very happy with progress.

Looking good. What cultivation etc did you do?

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

At 3 week stage ,very happy with progress.

Fert now?

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Fert now?

Yep,got 3 bags 10 10 20 at sowing and bag and a half of pasture sward this am.spray in 10 days or so and hopefully grazing by late September.

mahoney_j

just do it wrote: »

Looking good. What cultivation etc did you do?

2 runs of ripper,14 kg grass per acre with one pass and roll