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    #242
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,599 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Bellview wrote: »
    Only the tags which last week I found out we can refuse to pay. My next order will be reduced by 18 cent a tag..

    38 cent a set


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    #243
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,599 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    bogman_bass wrote: »
    No.

    AI man was under the impression that there was one and it had been 50 cent and had been increased recently. Maybe it's some other levy


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    #244
    Sheep breeder
    Registered Users Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    lads this scheme is like bog snorkling, they cant see a thing and are changing every couple of months on the stars in the sky results, all the guys in icbf must have sore necks looking upwards at the stars and trying to come up with a figure for a bull.
    in fairness the looser in this is us guys the suckler man, we are the one to take the penalty in the pocket and the Ai and icbf are taking the money into their pocket.
    it seems to me that icbf want us to use the dairy mans off spring and breed small handy cattle for uncle larry and the boys and no more export of cattle,
    the kids reared some dairy cross bbx heifer calves and and turn out five star and high euro index, this is what we should be using according to the paperwork.


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    #245
    Bellview
    Registered Users Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭Bellview


    ironically this proof is one of the key ones for the scheme - as the AI now .. these will be cows in 2019. this starts the question if you could challenge ICBF of a one year extension to meet the 50% criteria due to no information for this AI season


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    #246
    greenpetrol
    Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭greenpetrol


    whelan2 wrote: »
    AI man was under the impression that there was one and it had been 50 cent and had been increased recently. Maybe it's some other levy
    norbrok laboratories need to come up with a drug to kill off all these parasites that are leaching off us farmers ! Something to eliminate Ifa,icbf, teagasc advisers, glas advisers, something broadspec


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    #247
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,667 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    greenpetrol wrote: »
    norbrok laboratories need to come up with a drug to kill off all these parasites that are leaching off us farmers ! Something recommended for ! Ifa,icbf, teagasc advisers, glas advisers, something broadspec
    you forgot bordbia, I'm sure there are more.
    Eley laboratories already have::D

    http://activehuntingireland.ie/eley-super-game-cartridges-no-6

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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    #248
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,807 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Whoa, there's Proofs up now for May 2016.:rolleyes:

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



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    #249
    Canaryblue
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭Canaryblue


    The Charolais bull First (CH2216) has a terminal index of 202! We've two purebred cows in calf to him, hopefully he stays that high:D


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    #250
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,267 ✭✭✭tanko


    Canaryblue wrote: »
    The Charolais bull First (CH2216) has a terminal index of 202! We've two purebred cows in calf to him, hopefully he stays that high:D

    They've given him a calving difficulty of 3.3% and a carcase weight of 53kgs, he must be the perfect bull so :rolleyes:

    Calving difficulty for ZCH over 10% now:eek: and OKH over 7


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    #251
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,807 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    I went with OKH recently on a pedigree cow. A bit worried about ZCH calving figures at the time. Over 10% for a limousin is bad news.

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



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    #252
    Canaryblue
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭Canaryblue


    tanko wrote: »
    They've given him a calving difficulty of 3.3% and a carcase weight of 53kgs, he must be the perfect bull so :rolleyes:

    Sure of course he's perfect, zero calves born and massive stats! What more would you want:P


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    #253
    Canaryblue
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭Canaryblue


    Canaryblue wrote: »
    Sure of course he's perfect, zero calves born and massive stats! What more would you want:P
    Zero calves in Ireland I should say, he's got 362 recorded in the French system.


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    #254
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,807 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Canaryblue wrote: »
    Zero calves in Ireland I should say, he's got 362 recorded in the French system.

    I was looking at this earlier. Video of him also.
    http://www.genesdiffusion.com/Charolais/Charolais-detail.aspx?n=FR7613879841

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



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    #255
    bogman_bass
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    whelan2 wrote: »
    AI man was under the impression that there was one and it had been 50 cent and had been increased recently. Maybe it's some other levy

    If its the guy I'm thinking of that lad would say mass! :D


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    #256
    Canaryblue
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭Canaryblue


    Top ten replacement index bulls on the new Active Bull list
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    #257
    Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    I was looking at this earlier. Video of him also.
    http://www.genesdiffusion.com/Charolais/Charolais-detail.aspx?n=FR7613879841

    Had noticed the gene diffusion site before, see their bulls starting to be supplied in Irish AI


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    #258
    sako 85
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭sako 85


    I was thinking of using LM2214 on 3 Whitehead Heifers, they'll be 3 year old when calving. would lads think the 4.5% calving difficulty with only 40% Trait reliability is too risky?


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    #259
    blue5000
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    No experience of using him, but if they're fed properly before calving I think you'd be safe enough. What weight are they?

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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    #260
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,267 ✭✭✭tanko


    He's a new bull, that 4.5% figure means very little. I'd say it'll go a fair bit higher in a year or two. It's too risky on heifers I think, ZAG is probably the easiest calving limo NCBC have now and some of his calves can be big enough.

    As Blue says, the condition of the heifers at calving is very important, if they're too fat they could have trouble with any bull.


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    #261
    bogman_bass
    Registered Users Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    Farrell wrote: »
    Had noticed the gene diffusion site before, see their bulls starting to be supplied in Irish AI

    They have had bulls over here for years. NPP, and Repair are two that come to mind


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    #262
    Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    bogman_bass wrote: »
    They have had bulls over here for years. NPP, and Repair are two that come to mind
    I like the Cryano bull, wonder how you can get straws.
    They also have Major & Panama


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    #263
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,267 ✭✭✭tanko


    The maternal and terminal active bull lists don't show up when i click on them. Anyone else have this problem?


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    #264
    limo_100
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    tanko wrote: »
    The maternal and terminal active bull lists don't show up when i click on them. Anyone else have this problem?

    Its working for me anyway.... Did you spot interesting movements??


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    #265
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,267 ✭✭✭tanko


    limo_100 wrote: »
    Its working for me anyway.... Did you spot interesting movements??

    Not really, OZS and ONI are down a bit, ZCH calving difficulty is very high now. Going to use ONI, S1624, ZGM and FSZ this year.


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    #266
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,807 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    tanko wrote: »
    Not really, OZS and ONI are down a bit, ZCH calving difficulty is very high now. Going to use ONI, S1624, ZGM and FSZ this year.

    Have you used S1624 before? His figures look very good. Jeez Bova are putting the larger AI stations to shame with the quality they have.

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



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    #267
    GiantPencil
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭GiantPencil


    limo_100 wrote: »
    tanko wrote: »
    The maternal and terminal active bull lists don't show up when i click on them. Anyone else have this problem?

    Its working for me anyway.... Did you spot interesting movements??
    How do they judge what bulls to be included? Reason I ask is that ZLL is now seen as #1 with a Replacement Index of 269 yet last year the #1 bull was a Saler bull called Beguin. Now Beguin is nowhere to be seen on the list yet he is still the best bull out there with an index of 278.

    I'm thinking it may be due to the fact that his straws can only be bought through the Saler society but even at that you'd think ICBF would report on the overall and not just those readily available in AI?


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    #268
    Canaryblue
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭Canaryblue


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Have you used S1624 before? His figures look very good. Jeez Bova are putting the larger AI stations to shame with the quality they have.

    They could do with a decent Charolais bull though.

    Also last September they purchased a Curaheen Apostle son, a strange enough decision.


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    #269
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,267 ✭✭✭tanko


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Have you used S1624 before? His figures look very good. Jeez Bova are putting the larger AI stations to shame with the quality they have.

    No, only got his straws this year, will put him on some Lim cows which are lacking a bit of milk.
    Bulls with an "S" code don't appear on the Active bull lists for some reason.


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    #270
    bogman_bass
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    GiantPencil wrote: »
    How do they judge what bulls to be included? Reason I ask is that ZLL is now seen as #1 with a Replacement Index of 269 yet last year the #1 bull was a Saler bull called Beguin. Now Beguin is nowhere to be seen on the list yet he is still the best bull out there with an index of 278.

    I'm thinking it may be due to the fact that his straws can only be bought through the Saler society but even at that you'd think ICBF would report on the overall and not just those readily available in AI?

    Two different lists. The active list only includes bulls that have straws available.

    The overall list includes any bull that ever had a code


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    #271
    Kovu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,241 ✭✭✭✭Kovu


    tanko wrote: »
    No, only got his straws this year, will put him on some Lim cows which are lacking a bit of milk.
    Bulls with an "S" code don't appear on the Active bull lists for some reason.

    I forget who it was that told me but the s is because the supply is limited. I'm on the mobile so can't search but it was explained in this thread about a polled ch bull I asked about.
    Kjb is on my never again list. Cow calved at 307 days, calf still not up. I expect his figures may get a drastic overhaul in a bit.


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