Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning Linked in OP

Alfred Borden

Skylinehead wrote: »

Yes, but we don't need him. In fact, players like Ramsey would suffer if he came back.

I agree we dont need him and he wouldnt start but anything rather than let him strengthen a rival. Sell him in January for peanuts to PSG then.

TimeToShine

Skylinehead wrote: »

Yes, but we don't need him. In fact, players like Ramsey would suffer if he came back.

Agreed.

Provided the money is spent elsewhere I'm happy, but if we're sitting here in August with 30m in the bank then I'm getting my pitchfork out.

Skylinehead

Raf32 wrote: »

I agree we dont need him and he wouldnt start but anything rather than let him strengthen a rival. Sell him in January for peanuts to PSG then.

What's the point? If Chelsea don't get him, they'll just go for Vidal, Kroos, Pogba etc. Can't stop that.

.jacksparrow.

Skylinehead wrote: »

Yes, but we don't need him. In fact, players like Ramsey would suffer if he came back.

Why?

Dm Ramsey
Theo fab ozil

dinorebel

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Why?

Dm Ramsey
Theo fab ozil

You want to use our best attacking midfielder as a dm?

Skylinehead

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Why?

Dm Ramsey
Theo fab ozil

Ozil isn't a winger. And signing Fabregas will stop Wenger splashing out on the positions we actually do need to strengthen, such as the aforemented DM, and striker.

jonneymendoza

Raf32 wrote: »

gunnersopinion.com ‏@gunnersopinion 55s
If Cesc goes to Chelsea, along with Costa, they've won the title. We've handed them the title just like we did for United and van Persie.

Find it very hard to disagree with this.

And that is why we should get fabregas!

to stop chelsea for getting him and we would have added strength in depth to boot as well.

wonga77

Are people forgetting we have a few aging midfielders and a horrific injury record which we were reminded of last night, I dont see how we could pass up on him if the chance presents itself

Alfred Borden

Skylinehead wrote: »

What's the point? If Chelsea don't get him, they'll just go for Vidal, Kroos, Pogba etc. Can't stop that.

I know just raging he will end up at chelsea and not thinking logically. Fabregas would not start for us, we have two better midfielders than him but just hurts seeing him at Chelsea.

.jacksparrow.

Ramsey is a box to box, same position he played last season only with a better dm beside him.

gosplan

If we've passed up on Cesc then I think what Gazidis meant when he said...

The manager is not scared to spend, has the experience, but as always will have to juggle a set budget

Is that we still have a budget. Possibly one that does not allow us to blow 30 million on a player we really don't need.

People need to chill out. If Cesc had never been at Arsenal - Say it wasn't Cesc but Juan Mata.

Should we blow a big wedge of our transfer budget on him given the current state of the squad?

Ramsey, Walcott, Ozil all have to start when fit. Playing a lone striker leaves 2 more spots - He can't play DMF or Arteta role so that leaves one spot and everyone else a bit further back in the pecking order.

jonneymendoza

Raf32 wrote: »

We had first buy back. We could buy him instead of letting him go to our rivals.

and fabregas would be happy to join us

Mr Blobby

dinorebel wrote: »

You want to use our best attacking midfielder as a dm?

Ramsey isn't an attacking mid..

If i'm honest.. As long as we address the positions that need strengthening then i'll be happy.

But if we end up doing nothing i'll be royally pissed!

Alfred Borden

Mr Blobby wrote: »

Ramsey isn't an attacking mid..

If i'm honest.. As long as we address the positions that need strengthening then i'll be happy.

But if we end up doing nothing i'll be royally pissed!

Exactly how i feel.

jonneymendoza

Wenger needs to go and buy a DM and a world class striker, 50m for the said world class striker and 30m for a world class DM.

doable

bad2dabone

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Wenger needs to go and buy a DM and a world class striker, 50m for the said world class striker and 30m for a world class DM.

doable

he needs to do it, otherwise there'll be a severe meltdown at the emirates. It'll get ugly.

Alfred Borden

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Wenger needs to go and buy a DM and a world class striker, 50m for the said world class striker and 30m for a world class DM.

doable

IG speaking about managing funds, we will not spend over 40 million net.

Quazzie

Hasn't Wenger already said they aren't on the look out for a DM.

UnknownSpecies

Sickened at the thought of Fabregas in a Chelsea shirt. When we get a few injuries to our attacking mids and are left threadbare coming up to a busy fixture period, we'll regret not having the depth needed to see us through, mark my words. We should be biting their hand off at €33m in my opinion. I'll wait til the end of the window before fully judging though!

emergingstar

Correct call by the club and I'm happy they made it

emergingstar

Awkward moment when Arsenal fans wants their midfielders to get injured just to prove that not bringing back Cesc was a mistake.

wonga77

Who wants our players to get injured?

Ol' Donie

wonga77 wrote: »

Who wants our players to get injured?

If we wanted our players injured we'd permanently be the happiest fans in the world.

dvemail

What makes it worse is not that he is probably going to Chelsea but that he seems to be going so cheap.

emergingstar

Where was the meltdown when mata moved in January

Don't let emotion get in the way correct call by club now strengthen where we need

dvemail

emergingstar wrote: »

Where was the meltdown when mata moved in January

Don't let emotion get in the way correct call by club now strengthen where we need

Mata has never captained Arsenal.

AdamD

The club lost all transfer goodwill last summer, I have no faith in there being a 'plan'. Serious changes needed imo, hope they prove me wrong.

wawaman

emergingstar wrote: »

Where was the meltdown when mata moved in January

Don't let emotion get in the way correct call by club now strengthen where we need

Chelsea would never have sold to us. The difference with Fabregas is he was ours if we activated the buy back clause and with our injuries last season you can never have too big and good enough squad

UnknownSpecies

emergingstar wrote: »

Awkward moment when Arsenal fans wants their midfielders to get injured just to prove that not bringing back Cesc was a mistake.

haha probably gave that impression with my post but that's far from the truth! I just don't see why we can't, for once, be the club that has a plethora of options, especially when it looks like we'll actually be short of options next year with the likes of Flamini, Rosicky and Arteta surely coming to the end of their time with us. I think that if we're to win the league, we need to have the luxury of a player like Fabregas. That said, I do think a striker should be our main concern still.

Godge

hsbc wrote: »

David Ornstein of the BBC on Twitter - he's usually pretty reliable:

David Ornstein ‏bbcsport_david 11m
Arsenal have informed Barcelona they won't be exercising buy-back option on Fabregas. He was keen but #afc not seeking a creative midfielder

David Ornstein ‏bbcsport_david 10m
Fabregas now open to market & future likely to be sorted in next few weeks. #Afc priority striker & right-back + will get back-up goalkeeper

Can people not read? What this says is that Arsenal are not exercising their buy-back option. That is all, nothing about Chelsea, nothing about Man City, not even that Arsenal wouldn't be interested at any price.

If I recall correctly, this was set at £30m+. Given that Barcelona need to sell to buy and that Fabregas' stock sees to have fallen, is his price on the open market still £30m+?

Remember we had a percentage of any higher sell-on fee so we can't lose on this one. If the market price is below our buy-back clause, why can't we enter the market at that point? If the market price is above our buy-back clause, we get a percentage of that amount.

Raf32 wrote: »

I know just raging he will end up at chelsea and not thinking logically. Fabregas would not start for us, we have two better midfielders than him but just hurts seeing him at Chelsea.

So thinking logically, we have two better midfielders than Fabregas so Chelsea spending £33m on him would mean they are wasting money on a player inferior to those at Arsenal while we save our money to spend on genuinely better players. Surely that is a good thing?

emergingstar

dvemail wrote: »

Mata has never captained Arsenal.

That's you thinking with emotion, he is not needed not as a priority anyway

Alfred Borden

Godge wrote: »

So thinking logically, we have two better midfielders than Fabregas so Chelsea spending £33m on him would mean they are wasting money on a player inferior to those at Arsenal while we save our money to spend on genuinely better players. Surely that is a good thing?

Only if we buy what we need. If we got a world class striker and a good DM, i couldnt care where Fabregas plays. We mightn't spend the money though and i would rather have a quality backup rather than 30 million sitting in the bank account. If it wasnt before its now Arsenes biggest ever summer in charge.

emergingstar

Raf32 wrote: »

Only if we buy what we need. If we got a world class striker and a good DM, i couldnt care where Fabregas plays. We mightn't spend the money though and i would rather have a quality backup rather than 30 million sitting in the bank account. If it wasnt before its now Arsenes biggest ever summer in charge.

There is no way wenger would pass up on cesc if he didn't have plans in place

dvemail

emergingstar wrote: »

That's you thinking with emotion, he is not needed not as a priority anyway

If i didn't have any emotion or affinity to our current/ex players I wouldn't be supporting a football team.
I'd be a neutral looking on blissfully unaware of all the hardship a supporter of any football team put themselves through every year.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

AdamD wrote: »

The club lost all transfer goodwill last summer, I have no faith in there being a 'plan'. Serious changes needed imo, hope they prove me wrong.

This is it exactly.

I don't have too much of a problem not going for Cesc, AS LONG as we are instead actively pursuing players for ALL of the positions we need (i.e Striker, DM, RB, GK at least).

After last years window I think a lot of us have lost faith that we are going to do this.

Alfred Borden

emergingstar wrote: »

There is no way wenger would pass up on cesc if he didn't have plans in place

Thats what I'm hoping too or the club have lost the plot. Cavani please and ill drive Cesc to wherever!haha

emergingstar

dvemail wrote: »

If i didn't have any emotion or affinity to our current/ex players I wouldn't be supporting a football team.
I'd be a neutral looking on blissfully unaware of all the hardship a supporter of any football team put themselves through every year.

Love ex players once they retire not before it

dvemail

emergingstar wrote: »

Love ex players once they retire not before it

Henry??
Know what you are saying though.

bad2dabone

I’m just horrified at the thoughts of him in a Chelsea shirt. I’d be happy as larry if he ended up at PSG or the like.

Marty McFly

Jasus meltdown central already were in for a long summer, people saying were handing Chelsea the title by not wanting Cesc rubbish has shades of the meltdowns last summer everytime Spurs signed a player, we should have signed Soldado, Lamela, Capoue etc last summer just because Chelsea sign one player don't mean anything really.


We don't necessarily need Cesc so if we go out and buy players in the positions we need I'll be happy yea it will sting a bit to see him in the EPL not in Arsenal shirt but we need a DM, RB,CF and LW all first over letting our emotions rule the roost.

The fact people are putting Ozil on the wing, Ramsey in DM etc to try accomodate him into the starting lineup says it all.

David Ornstein is and isn't reliable as in he gets his news directly from Arsenal meaning they feed him what they want the press to know sometimes using him as there little puppet.

Jaafa

Marty McFly wrote: »

Jasus meltdown central already were in for a long summer, people saying were handing Chelsea the title by not wanting Cesc rubbish has shades of the meltdowns last summer everytime Spurs signed a player, we should have signed Soldado, Lamela, Capoue etc last summer just because Chelsea sign one player don't mean anything really.


We don't necessarily need Cesc so if we go out and buy players in the positions we need I'll be happy yea it will sting a bit to see him in the EPL not in Arsenal shirt but we need a DM, RB,CF and LW all first over letting our emotions rule the roost.

The fact people are putting Ozil on the wing, Ramsey in DM etc to try accomodate him into the starting lineup says it all.

David Ornstein is and isn't reliable as in he gets his news directly from Arsenal meaning they feed him what they want the press to know sometimes using him as there little puppet.

Conspiracy time. For Arsenals clause to work another team has to bid first so we feint disinterest getting Chelsea to bid then swooping in and taking Cesc home. :P

slingerz

Fabregas is a top class player and any club suggesting that they dont want him is a bit crazy to me.

Man United, Liverpool even Man City could all do with having him in their teams/squads. I think Arsenal are similar in that regards also.

There is an obsession among fans that there has to be one dedicated defensive minded centre midfielder at all times which i dont buy into.

Why could you not have Ozil, Ramsey and Cesc as a midfield 3 behind Ox, Giroud, Theo?

L'prof

Meant to post this up sooner, but didn't get a chance. Sorry lads. As you can see there were no hot or cold balls used in the making of this draw...Ecuador :mad:

Group A
(11) Brazil: CatInABox
(18) Croatia: batistuta9
(24) Mexico: Omeceron
(59) Cameroon: OneEightSeven

Group B
(1) Spain: Raf32
(8) Netherlands: Muirshin Durkin
(12) Chile: farna_boy
(57) Australia: Bad2dabone

Group C
(4) Colombia: wawaman
(15) Greece: dorgasm
(17) Ivory Coast: gandalf
(44) Japan: Jonny666

Group D
(6) Uruguay: extra gravy
(9) Italy: Skylinehead
(10) England: D_turbo
(31) Costa Rica: Gringo

Group E
(7) Switzerland: Mickeroo
(21) France: Marty McFly
(22) Ecuador: L'prof
(34) Honduras: iron kiwi

Group F
(3) Argentina: clouter
(16) Bosnia & Herzegovina: tayto lover
(33) Nigeria: Fuzzy_Dunlop
(49) Iran: Quazzie

Group G
(2) Germany: Soupie
(13) USA: Pappa Dolla
(14) Portugal: omega man
(23) Ghana: tipp_gunner

Group H
(5) Belgium: wonga7
(19) Russia: Jacksparrow
(32) Algeria: Shano_88
(56) South Korea: Greendom

Alfred Borden

Spain, you beauty! Got Cesc on my team :pac:

Mr Blobby

slingerz wrote: »

Fabregas is a top class player and any club suggesting that they dont want him is a bit crazy to me.

Man United, Liverpool even Man City could all do with having him in their teams/squads. I think Arsenal are similar in that regards also.

There is an obsession among fans that there has to be one dedicated defensive minded centre midfielder at all times which i dont buy into.

Why could you not have Ozil, Ramsey and Cesc as a midfield 3 behind Ox, Giroud, Theo?

Because we'd get absolutely destroyed..

If a team wants to play a bunch a technical midfielders then there has to be someone in the middle who'll do the dirty work. Name me one team without a DM that is successful?

slingerz

Mr Blobby wrote: »

Because we'd get absolutely destroyed..

If a team wants to play a bunch a technical midfielders then there has to be someone in the middle who'll do the dirty work. Name me one team without a DM that is successful?

destroyed by whom? I'm not saying you cant have a single 1 in the squad but you just dont need them to be played in every game.

Its not as if Cesc/Ramsey are devoid of the ability to tackle.

I wouldnt have suggested that Vieria/Petit were 'defensive midfielders' or even Roy Keane at that time either more so centre midfielders with a wide skill set

emergingstar

This is ozils team now

Marty McFly

Mr Blobby wrote: »

Because we'd get absolutely destroyed..

If a team wants to play a bunch a technical midfielders then there has to be someone in the middle who'll do the dirty work. Name me one team without a DM that is successful?

Exactly I think people these days confuse the role of a DM.

Yes it has evolved but teams still play with one they used to be kick and tackle types, but now they need to do that and play ball as well be able to pass and tackle.

Say a Matic at Chelsea, Busquets and Barcelona much more technical than Makelele or Gilberto were but still essentially the same role imo.

Play with a middle of Ramsey, Cesc and Ozil teams would steam roll ya, either that or you be puching one them to deep and not using them to the best of there abilities.

slingerz

emergingstar wrote: »

This is ozils team now

IMO Cesc > Ozil

.jacksparrow.

Marty McFly wrote: »

Jasus meltdown central already were in for a long summer, people saying were handing Chelsea the title by not wanting Cesc rubbish has shades of the meltdowns last summer everytime Spurs signed a player, we should have signed Soldado, Lamela, Capoue etc last summer just because Chelsea sign one player don't mean anything really.


We don't necessarily need Cesc so if we go out and buy players in the positions we need I'll be happy yea it will sting a bit to see him in the EPL not in Arsenal shirt but we need a DM, RB,CF and LW all first over letting our emotions rule the roost.

The fact people are putting Ozil on the wing, Ramsey in DM etc to try accomodate him into the starting lineup says it all.

David Ornstein is and isn't reliable as in he gets his news directly from Arsenal meaning they feed him what they want the press to know sometimes using him as there little puppet.

Dm Ramsey

Pretty much where he played all season, no-one suggested him as a dm