Detailing chat

Dilbert75

Really? The spots don't seem to be open / perforated at all, though there's a fair bit of lacquer peel elsewhere.

Mickeroo

Hardly bird poop is it?

Dilbert75

Mickeroo wrote: »

Hardly bird poop is it?

As in spots bleached by bird poop? Doubt it. They're generally very small.

JamBur

I would agree with the earlier post suggesting clear coat failure.

punisher5112

JamBur wrote: »

I would agree with the earlier post suggesting clear coat failure.

Yes I'd second that, red is terribly bad for this ...

Dilbert75

Thanks folks. TBH, I did suspect / fear that that was what the answer was going to be. I was hoping it was a superficial bleaching effect that might be polished out, but it doesn't seem likely.

I'm guessing the only route to reinstating it would be to strip and relacquer - correct? I'd imagine he'll get a wrap put on it before he does that.

Northern Monkey

I’ve no idea how good of bad this new design is but this seems like a good price for the Nilfisk core 125 on Amazon £40.39.

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Edit: Back to £90 now

Cass

Dilbert75 wrote: »

I'm guessing the only route to reinstating it would be to strip and relacquer - correct? I'd imagine he'll get a wrap put on it before he does that.

Would an entire car wrap not be more expensive, or at worse the same price, as a full "re-coating"?

MetzgerMeister

There's no such thing as recoating a lacquer layer. The whole panel would have to be sanded down, primed, repainted and relacquered.

Dilbert75

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

There's no such thing as recoating a lacquer layer. The whole panel would have to be sanded down, primed, repainted and relacquered.

Really?

Cass

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

There's no such thing as recoating a lacquer layer. The whole panel would have to be sanded down, primed, repainted and relacquered.

Never said to recoat the lacquer layer, only. Might seem that way due to the sentence structure. Recoating means to apply a fresh coat of paint, lacquer, etc. to something.

MetzgerMeister

Cass wrote: »

Never said to recoat the lacquer layer, only. Might seem that way due to the sentence structure. Recoating means to apply a fresh coat of paint, lacquer, etc. to something.

Sorry Cass, my post was in reply to Dilbert, not you.

Cass

Sorry, it was under my post so i thought it was for me.

Dilbert75

Thanks for the replies, folks.

bazz26

Any recommendations for a machine polisher? This will purely be for me on my own car rather than for professional work. I presume dual action is better than a standard polisher?

vectra

bazz26 wrote: »

Any recommendations for a machine polisher? This will purely be for me on my own car rather than for professional work. I presume dual action is better than a standard polisher?

Das6 pro. with some hex pads.

garo

Yet another bird**** sad story. Car got shat on all over by birds a couple of days ago. Did the full snowfoam plus shampoo plus wax. The poop is off but I can still see the dull marks on the paint. Almost as if the bird **** is bonded to the paint. Tried a tar and glue remover but no joy. Any idea how I can those stains off?

MetzgerMeister

garo wrote: »

Yet another bird**** sad story. Car got shat on all over by birds a couple of days ago. Did the full snowfoam plus shampoo plus wax. The poop is off but I can still see the dull marks on the paint. Almost as if the bird **** is bonded to the paint. Tried a tar and glue remover but no joy. Any idea how I can those stains off?

That will need to be compounded out with a polishing machine.

garo

Ugh! Thanks for that. I'll probably wait for a full detailing then as there are a few minor scratches and stone chips I want to get taken care of too.

garo

I am a bit puzzled why certain bird poops leave marks while others come off easily with no traces left. I usually use Carnuba wax but the last time used the quick detailing spray after the wash. Would that have made a difference? Does the wax protect while the detail spray just shines? I suppose the exact composition and exposure to sun after the incident probably also has an impact. A black car does get very hot these days in the sun.

MetzgerMeister

Quick detailer does have protectant properties.

It all depends on various factors:

1. What's in the bird crap
2. Whether or not the panel was hot beforehand
3. Whether or not and now long the bird crap was baking into the paint in direct sunlight

garo

Thanks again. Panel was probably hot. And because it was on the far side of the car I didn't notice it for a day or two after it happened so had enough time to bake in.

MetzgerMeister

garo wrote: »

Thanks again. Panel was probably hot. And because it was on the far side of the car I didn't notice it for a day or two after it happened so had enough time to bake in.

That's what happens. Every morning I take a walk around my car to check for bird crap and remove it asap. Usually I'm up early enough to catch it in time. I do have marks in the lacquer from it though which I need to polish out. Having the car in the golf club car park isn't ideal when you're on the course for hours doesn't help the situation!

garo

I am usually good at removing bird poop as soon as I find it but this time got unlucky. And the compositionmust have been particularly nasty this time round. I live close to the coast so we get lots of visitors unfortunately. I am half considering getting some sort of cover for the car. But that's probably going to mark the paint so not a good idea.

traco

I'm not a detailing expert like some here but was doing a brake job on the car soe removed the wheels for a through wash and Gyeon dressing. Snow foam, and two bucket wash. DIdn't dry it as I won this Auto Glym Aqua wax that you apply while the car is wet. Thought I'd try it and it did a decent job for not much effort. I'd use it again and its handy for a quick freshen up. The car is pretty clean anyway but I think I should do a proper decontamination and then a coat of soft 99.

Grey isn't the easist to see a nice glossy finish on but it came up well for 18 years old.







I've had to remove several bird craps over the weekend. I find a good way is folded up bog roll or paper towel. Make it into a thick pad. Place on the crap and pour water on it so its staurated. leave sit for 10-20 mins and then gently pinch it up. Don't rub. This lifts the bulk then rinse the rest with lots of water. Hasn't left any marks and no swirls once there is no rubbing. Also used to do similar for bugs on the visor of the helmet. The wet pad lets teh water soak in so its soft and will just wash a wa

MetzgerMeister

garo wrote: »

I am usually good at removing bird poop as soon as I find it but this time got unlucky. And the compositionmust have been particularly nasty this time round. I live close to the coast so we get lots of visitors unfortunately. I am half considering getting some sort of cover for the car. But that's probably going to mark the paint so not a good idea.

I'm getting a car port built soon which will span the width of the back of my house so the bird crap will be kept to a minimum as far as the car is concerned.

It will also help keep the rain and sun off the car to help with detailing.

garo

Wonder what the Mrs. would say about a gazebo in the driveway

traco

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

I'm getting a car port built soon which will span the width of the back of my house so the bird crap will be kept to a minimum as far as the car is concerned.

It will also help keep the rain and sun off the car to help with detailing.

Mind they don't start nesting up underneath it! The like nice ready made dry secure places

MetzgerMeister

traco wrote: »

Mind they don't start nesting up underneath it! The like nice ready made dry secure places

I have that in mind. I'm going to have the whole underside of it flat with nowhere for them to nest. Hopefully it'll work out as well in reality as it does in my head :pac:

CianRyan

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

I have that in mind. I'm going to have the whole underside of it flat with nowhere for them to nest. Hopefully it'll work out as well in reality as it does in my head :pac:

The wash bay in my old just used to have netting on the ceiling to keep the birds out of the roof, of course the clever feckers just ripped it and nested up there anyway.
They'd be ****ting on the cars as they were being washed. :pac:

MetzgerMeister

Yeah I was thinking of scaffolding debris netting. It's tough and hopefully the feckers won't be able to tear it.

traco

Seriously!!! Driving to office this moning and dive bombed by a flying elephant that must have been on a Gunness bender since the pubs started serving on Monday!! Seondary impacts all over the windscreen that the camera doesn't really pick up. Surprised i don't need a panel beater for the inital hit. Any detail suppliers selling shotguns - think I'll get one with my next order of products.

MetzgerMeister

It's an absolute scurge! I had 2 on my car this morning but thankfully I hadn't left my house before discovering them.

ianobrien

I've two swallows nesting above the roller door in the garage. Thankfully they dont go any further into the garage bombing the motorhome. The problem is they sit on the overhead fibre line that runs into the gable of the house, directly over where the cars park.

I've given up cleaning the dive bombing and just moved the cars......

Creamy Goodness

here's a really odd question, I've an appointment with a place to get a quote for a ceramic coating tomorrow. The car hasn't been washed in about 2 months due to me not leaving the house much and the abysmal weather we've been having. Do you think it'd be rude to rock up with a filthy car? It's mostly brake dust, and dirt dust from living on a new build estate?

Stallingrad

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

here's a really odd question, I've an appointment with a place to get a quote for a ceramic coating tomorrow. The car hasn't been washed in about 2 months due to me not leaving the house much and the abysmal weather we've been having. Do you think it'd be rude to rock up with a filthy car? It's mostly brake dust, and dirt dust from living on a new build estate?

Probably makes no difference as they will strip it all back anyway, but if it was me at a minimum I would power wash it so they can better see what they are dealing with in terms of paint correction. Also just common courtesy!

Creamy Goodness

Stallingrad wrote: »

Probably makes no difference as they will strip it all back anyway, but if it was me at a minimum I would power wash it so they can better see what they are dealing with in terms of paint correction. Also just common courtesy!

totally get it, will power wash it tonight, thanks.

CianRyan

I guess you wouldn't cut your hair before a barbers visit but a shampoo and brush is nice.

cj maxx

Hi. Whats a good product for hand washing a car , to remove grime,dead flies etc ? Cheers

Gavman84

To remove the heavy dirt I use gtechniq w5 citrus cleaner as a pre cleaner with a pump sprayer. It's brilliant stuff. You would still need to use snow foam and 2 bucket wash after to do a proper job.

ba_barabus

Heavy tar removal, petrol seems to be the only thing that shifts it or is there a better way?

frozenfrozen

ba_barabus wrote: »

Heavy tar removal, petrol seems to be the only thing that shifts it or is there a better way?

people here recently were saying Vasco but I have never used it

PsychoPete

Get some vasco,spray on and leave over night, rinse off job done

MetzgerMeister

PsychoPete wrote: »

Get some vasco,spray on and leave over night, rinse off job done

It's not advisable to do this if the car is out in the open as this will just dry it up. If doing this, the car needs to be in a garage where there's no wind hitting the car.

PsychoPete

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

It's not advisable to do this if the car is out in the open as this will just dry it up. If doing this, the car needs to be in a garage where there's no wind hitting the car.

Your right, I should have added that but that's what I tend to do for cars with a lot of tar

ba_barabus

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

It's not advisable to do this if the car is out in the open as this will just dry it up. If doing this, the car needs to be in a garage where there's no wind hitting the car.

Hmmmmm, that'll be an issue then.

MetzgerMeister

I think you can do it outside (but not in direct sunlight) but only leave for 30 - 45 mins rather than all night.

Just do your best to not let it dry out. It's a gel based formula so it won't dry out as quickly as a watery product.

challengemaster

Could always wrap it in clingfilm if you need to leave it on for a while and you're worried about it drying out. People do it all the time with gel-based rust inhibitors and rust converters.

MetzgerMeister

Good point but it would be hella messy!

CianRyan

Back to bird poop, I parked beside a lovely Blue Golf R in work yesterday, when I came out at lunch time his bonnet had been COVERED with ****e, so much though that it splashed over to my drivers side.
Sacrificed some eating time for some power washing time.