Pub open Good Friday

Pro Hoc Vice

Cabaal wrote: »

Are we that bad that people can't live one day without a pub?

It's more that people want to have a drink in a pub because they can't. It tastes all the better.

Pro Hoc Vice

Leroy42 wrote: »

Why is the bar in Limerick allowed, or indeed the pub at the airport.

Either we believe in the point of the law or we don't.

In the same way a Hotel can serve drink at 4 in the morning, its a throw back to old licensing laws, refreshment for travellers, rail way stations can serve also on boats and trains, licensing laws in effect go back over a few hundred years and have plenty of quirks. It's still a law that a Garda can not be served any refreshment while on duty in any establishment that has a licence, so a Garda can not be served a sandwich in tescos while on duty, (most don't know of the law) lots of really old laws still on the books.

Pro Hoc Vice

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

You asked why a pub in Limerick will be serving and I answered why. Law has granted exemptions in certain cases. Venues that are members only/invite only etc have been able to sell alcohol on Good Friday. My local rugby club has held poker classics etc in rugby club bar on good Friday in years pass and once you had purchased a ticket you could purchase alcohol.

Don't tell anyone but the private clubs are breaking the law as well, but quiet as no one has figured that out.

Cabaal

GenieOz wrote: »

And no Christmas Day is a day synonymous with family getting together pretty much all over the world.

Is it really?

You've only to go to the UK to find pubs open on Christmas day, maybe they bring the kids when they get drunk in the pub eh?

Many American's see thanks giving as a bigger thing then Christmas when it comes to family's coming together,

Chinese New Year also known as the spring festival is a massive event when it comes to people visiting family members and traveling home, Christmas is pretty meaningless in comparison. So thats 1.3billion in China alone of the 7billion or so in the world not caring about Christmas so much.

Don't assume Christmas day is a big thing around the world, especially when the underlying reason for it being called Christmas is apparently the birth of the son of a christian god. Many none Christians simply don't see it as a big deal and will willingly work that day as they have their own traditional days for family's ertc

GenieOz

Cabaal wrote: »

Is it really?

You've only to go to the UK to find pubs open on Christmas day, maybe they bring the kids when they get drunk in the pub eh?

Many American's see thanks giving as a bigger thing then Christmas when it comes to family's coming together,

Chinese New Year also known as the spring festival is a massive event when it comes to people visiting family members and traveling home, Christmas is pretty meaningless in comparison. So thats 1.3billion in China alone of the 7billion or so in the world not caring about Christmas so much.

Don't assume Christmas day is a big thing around the world, especially when the underlying reason for it being called Christmas is apparently the birth of the son of a christian god. Many none Christians simply don't see it as a big deal and will willingly work that day as they have their own traditional days for family's ertc

Nice to pick out one part of it to continue the absolutely pointless debate.
You don't know of any pubs open, grand.

I don't give a shíte if Christmas is a big deal around the world.

Uncle_Joe

It's all about personal choice and if I choose to go to the pub on Good Friday, there shouldn't be an antiquated law that prevents that.

The argument "ah sure can ya not go one day without a drink?" assumes the fact that everyone in the country is a raving alcoholic.

I have a friend flying in on Friday afternoon and it would be nice to have a drink later that evening, I mean aren't we meant to be a republic*?

*In name only at least

catbear

The best Christmas I ever had was in asia, lasted an evening dinner in a pub and back to normal the next morning. The French do something similar. I think ireland is hung up on some Victorian fantasy.

Cabaal

GenieOz wrote: »

Nice to pick out one part of it to continue the absolutely pointless debate.
You don't know of any pubs open, grand.

I don't give a shíte if Christmas is a big deal around the world.

Grand, then don't use it as an example.

The fact that you've posted shows you care about what you call a pointless debate

GenieOz

Cabaal wrote: »

Grand, then don't use it as an example.

The fact that you've posted shows you care about what you call a pointless debate

I didn't use it as an example, you brought it up :rolleyes:
that is some awful logic you're working with there.

Dozen Wicked Words

Since we have wandered off topic anyway...

I think its great the pubs are closed on Good Friday, not for religious reasons, I'm not religious at all, but it is one of pitiful few days now that pub workers can get a day off. I used to like restrictive trading on a Sunday for the same reason for shop workers. If they want to say its for celebration of a sun god called dave that they have days off that's fine by me. It's as valid as worshipping the almighty euro (I worked hard for that pun)

catbear

Plenty of people work Xmas and good Friday, what makes bar staff any different. If they want good Friday they could swap for another day like others do.

ergonomics

catbear wrote: »

Plenty of people work Xmas and good Friday, what makes bar staff any different. If they want good Friday they could swap for another day like others do.

I usually work Monday - Friday every week and only have 30 minutes for lunch. I can never go to the bank during the week and they're closed at weekends.

Why do bank staff get every weekend and bank holiday off? What makes them different? If they want a weekend off they can swap for another day, just like everyone else.

Pubs being closed on Good Friday is an outdated law but in the grand scheme of things the pub is only closed for one day. Let the bar staff enjoy their day off. I know people want to socialise but there are other places to do that, and if you really really want to go to the pub, there's always the next Friday.

It's a trivial thing to be moaning about really.

GenieOz

ergonomics wrote: »

I usually work Monday - Friday every week and only have 30 minutes for lunch. I can never go to the bank during the week and they're closed at weekends.

Why do bank staff get every weekend and bank holiday off? What makes them different? If they want a weekend off they can swap for another day, just like everyone else.

Pubs being closed on Good Friday is an outdated law but in the grand scheme of things the pub is only closed for one day. Let the bar staff enjoy their day off. I know people want to socialise but there are other places to do that, and if you really really want to go to the pub, there's always the next Friday.

It's a trivial thing to be moaning about really.

Except for the fact that my friends won't be off next Friday.

ergonomics

GenieOz wrote: »

Except for the fact that my friends won't be off next Friday.

Like catbear said, why they don't just swap their working days so they're all off next Friday? It's that easy apparently!

catbear

I do all my banking online, suits me fine. BTW in the babks you can swap days for religious obligations. If you want bank type hours then pub work won't suit.

tedobrien98

GenieOz wrote: »

Christmas Day is a day synonymous with family getting together pretty much all over the world. Good Friday isn't, it's a random Friday in the middle of the year with no meaning whatsoever.

It's not really random at all... It's no more random than Christmas anyway.
Sure, take all the perks from Christianity like presents at Christmas, a piss up on St. Patrick's day, a Tuesday specially designated for pancakes...but you're afraid you'll die of thirst on Good Friday. :P
After all the good Lord did for you!!!

catbear

Anyway on principle alone I'm fed up of these freeloading pagans claiming Good Friday as sacrosanct when any real Christian can tell you it's sunday, the day of resurrection that matters. Anyone can die but how many can come back as a zombie?

Cabaal

catbear wrote: »

Anyway on principle alone I'm fed up of these freeloading pagans claiming Good Friday as sacrosanct when any real Christian can tell you it's sunday, the day of resurrection that matters. Anyone can die but how many can come back as a zombie?

Lots of people....once i release the virus...mwhahaha :pac:

catbear

I take it back, there's enough zombies already willing to vote fianna fail!

pegasus1

GenieOz wrote: »

Except for the fact that my friends won't be off next Friday.

GenieOz, do your friends work in pubs by any chance?:D

Is Ireland the only country that the pubs are closed on Christmas Day, not forgetting Good Friday, in that it's a day for family.

I wonder are the bars closed for thanksgiving in the states? Must ask my sister in law on that one..

I am sure the pubs in the uk are used by people wanting to get away for a quick break...no harm in that..

By the way if pubs were open on Good Friday, less drink would be consumed that day, by one and all...

Cabaal

pegasus1 wrote: »

By the way if pubs were open on Good Friday, less drink would be consumed that day, by one and all...

Its a bank holiday weekend,
The fact that pubs are closed or open will have no affect on the level of drink, pubs are open paddys day and stephens day and people still get **** faced

This country has a very unhealthy attitude to drink in fairness,

tedobrien98

Cabaal wrote: »

Its a bank holiday weekend,
The fact that pubs are closed or open will have no affect on the level of drink, pubs are open paddys day and stephens day and people still get **** faced

This country has a very unhealthy attitude to drink in fairness,

Because they can't get drink on Good Friday they feel the need to stock up for an almighty drought on Holy Thursday. That suggests that more drink will be consumed just because it's banned.
Unless of course these people would be drinking the same amount on Good Friday which I doubt. :P

GenieOz

pegasus1 wrote: »

GenieOz, do your friends work in pubs by any chance?:D

Nope, pharmaceutical industry.

pegasus1

Cabaal wrote: »

Its a bank holiday weekend,
The fact that pubs are closed or open will have no affect on the level of drink, pubs are open paddys day and stephens day and people still get **** faced

This country has a very unhealthy attitude to drink in fairness,

Seems like you don't drink Cabaal, a lot of people drink moderately, a lot of tourists arrive for Easter...expecting to get a pint or two..why deny them..

I have a friend from the states who was pissed that pubs were closed a few years ago...
Ireland is no worse than a few other European countries...I recall that Denmark has major drinking binges going on....

Dozen Wicked Words

pegasus1 wrote: »

Seems like you don't drink Cabaal, a lot of people drink moderately, a lot of tourists arrive for Easter...expecting to get a pint or two..why deny them..

I have a friend from the states who was pissed that pubs were closed a few years ago...
Ireland is no worse than a few other European countries...I recall that Denmark has major drinking binges going on....

Don't most Hotel Bars serve their guests on Good Friday? If not, not too many tourists from the US or anywhere else come for a day trip to Ireland, dare say they could have a pint in a pub today, then Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.........

catbear

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

Don't most Hotel Bars serve their guests on Good Friday? If not, not too many tourists from the US or anywhere else come for a day trip to Ireland, dare say they could have a pint in a pub today, then Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.........

It's the principle. Forget the drink but ask why should one religious group, regardless of size, dictate for the unaffiliated? Is it not a free country or is it still a papal principality?

Dozen Wicked Words

catbear wrote: »

It's the principle. Forget the drink but ask why should one religious group, regardless of size, dictate for the unaffiliated? Is it not a free country or is it still a papal principality?

I know what you are saying, and as I said before, I'm not religious but do you then you risk the erosion of other holidays, based on religion, and will people be as glad that St Patricks Day is no longer any different or Christmas day and Stephens day are no different and they are all asked to go into work or swap days with others?

Won't you just end up swapping organised religion for organised consumerism?

Cabaal

pegasus1 wrote: »

Seems like you don't drink Cabaal, a lot of people drink moderately, a lot of tourists arrive for Easter...expecting to get a pint or two..why deny them..

I have a friend from the states who was pissed that pubs were closed a few years ago...
Ireland is no worse than a few other European countries...I recall that Denmark has major drinking binges going on....

In that case why aren't you looking for pubs to be open 24/7, 365...after all anything else denys people a pint.

As for intake, the Avg intake per adult in liters in Denmark is 10.6lts, Ireland is 11.6litres based on OECD data from 2013. Yes a few other countrys are above Ireland based on the OECD data but the culture of drink is different in most of these countrys.

The UK is considered to have a big problem when it comes to drink and Ireland is far above the UK. In addition Ireland is far far above USA, Greece, Brazil, Italy, Mexico, China etc etc

The problem with Ireland is like good friday, paddys day, christmas eve, stephens day etc (thurs, fri & Sat nights for alot of people) is it'll be binge drinking, its not moderate drinking in low amounts spread over much longer periods like France for example.

Unfortunately you can twist it whatever way you want but Ireland has a very unhealthy attitude to alcohol. Many people that drink to get drunk 3-4 times a week are seen as "having the craic" when in reality they have a problem that they should really seek help for.

Cabaal

catbear wrote: »

It's the principle. Forget the drink but ask why should one religious group, regardless of size, dictate for the unaffiliated? Is it not a free country or is it still a papal principality?

Its odd the battles feel they need to fight,

You honestly see this as that big an issue? Sure it started as a religious thing but it no longer is, its just a given that people working in pubs don't have to work. I wouldn't begrudge them that, they deserve it.

If you want to fight the catholic church's hold in Ireland then please go right ahead, but put your power into fighting something like the catholic ethos applied to approx 82% of our schools.

These are schools that are tax payer funded but the catholic church gets to call the shots, they get to teach that sex before marriage is wrong, that being gay is wrong or they can refuse to accept a pregnant teenager into the school because it goes against their "ethos".

They can also fire a teacher just for being gay because they have an exception to employment legislation because of their "ethos", as being gay is against the catholic ethos then you can be sacked for just being who they are.

They have previously sacked a teacher for being pregnant outside of marriage and they got away with it, all because of the catholic ethos....but yet you and me pay these teachers.

At primary level schools spend 10% of time teaching religion, this is the same amount of time spent teaching english and maths! This is also twice the average time spend on religion for other OECD countrys.

So when it comes to the catholic church in Ireland, remember that there are far far bigger battles to fight then pubs being closed on good friday

Anyway I'm leaving it at that as the whole church/religion control thing in Ireland is likely much better suited to Atheism & Agnosticism

catbear

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

I know what you are saying, and as I said before, I'm not religious but do you then you risk the erosion of other holidays, based on religion, and will people be as glad that St Patricks Day is no longer any different or Christmas day and Stephens day are no different and they are all asked to go into work or swap days with others?

Won't you just end up swapping organised religion for organised consumerism?

As far as I can see the biggest religion is Consumerism but the christian holidays which can number as many as 111 a year are just a denial of the fact.