Garda Recruitment - Stage 4

Scouser

newmug wrote: »

That's my question - is the pct, med, br etc going to be banded like every other stage, or is it just a case of pass and you're in, fail and you're out? Like even if you pass the fitness, will they take the best 100 through and good luck to everyone else?

your interview will rank you again based on order of merit

then everything after that is pass or fail

redout

newmug wrote: »

That's my question - is the pct, med, br etc going to be banded like every other stage, or is it just a case of pass and you're in, fail and you're out? Like even if you pass the fitness, will they take the best 100 through and good luck to everyone else?

Not sure. In the likes of British Army recruitment everyone is given a score and it is those who attained the highest score which are loaded first so to speak. So you can have someone do all of the testing today for example, meet the qualifying criteria but still find themselves not being loaded as somebody could come in a few weeks later and attain a higher score. Basically runs like an order of merit system. It continues like that until they are ready for an intake. Once an intake is called those who are placed highest go forward and those who passed but did not score in the top whatever it is, say 105, will go into the next batch and the process will continue. That said, PAS have operated on an order of merit system thus far.

ShodenMcClane

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Merely to point out that it is at interview stage that the canvassing will start. You can do the best interview but when (not if) the old stroke system starts operating you could be left behind

Given that only around 350 people out of 25,000 (1.4%, which is tiny) are being interviewed as it stands, I would be highly surprised if there was more than a handful of people in that 350 that would have the requisite pull, balls, and nous to pull off canvassing without getting shunted out the door.

I'm not in the slightest bit worried about "being left behind". Where's all this bitterness coming from? It's not very becoming.

Scouser

ShodenMcClane wrote: »

Given that only around 350 people out of 25,000 (1.4%, which is tiny) are being interviewed as it stands, I would be highly surprised if there was more than a handful of people in that 350 that would have the requisite pull, balls, and nous to pull off canvassing without getting shunted out the door.

I'm not in the slightest bit worried about "being left behind". Where's all this bitterness coming from? It's not very becoming.

dont indulge him

hes has succeeded in derailing every single thread on here

lets keep this thread for those who are in stage 4 and those who will come after.









can anyone outline the competencies from the last recruitment drive?

thedirtydevil

Will be interesting to see how quick the next few stages go. They did say at the presentation its likely background checks would start once/if pass interview and would be ongoing whilst medical and pct is being done to ensure no delays. Though they did say their only remit at the time was to get 100 or so in at the end of July and had no remit for any further (obviously there has been mentions but nothing confirmed for another intake in Oct). My gut feeling is to ensure they hit the 100+ in July they will interview 200 or so now only and then drip feed the rest after that.

Be interesting if they allow deferrals (for July intake). Going on current timescales to date and interviews planned for mid May I doubt people will get a months notice to start in Templemore. Anyone in a job now would need at least a month (if not longer) to work out a notice period so can see a lot asking for a deferral. Unless of course they next few stages move a lot quicker than I expect. Even then I cant see based on an interview in mid may its likely results of that will take 2-3 weeks and then have background checks, pct and medical done in 4 weeks to give people 4 weeks notice to start. I assume during the interview they will ask people about availability etc.

In the past how much notice did people get before going in to templemore?

octigen

thedirtydevil wrote: »

Will be interesting to see how quick the next few stages go. They did say at the presentation its likely background checks would start once/if pass interview and would be ongoing whilst medical and pct is being done to ensure no delays. Though they did say their only remit at the time was to get 100 or so in at the end of July and had no remit for any further (obviously there has been mentions but nothing confirmed for another intake in Oct). My gut feeling is to ensure they hit the 100+ in July they will interview 200 or so now only and then drip feed the rest after that.

Be interesting if they allow deferrals (for July intake). Going on current timescales to date and interviews planned for mid May I doubt people will get a months notice to start in Templemore. Anyone in a job now would need at least a month (if not longer) to work out a notice period so can see a lot asking for a deferral. Unless of course they next few stages move a lot quicker than I expect. Even then I cant see based on an interview in mid may its likely results of that will take 2-3 weeks and then have background checks, pct and medical done in 4 weeks to give people 4 weeks notice to start. I assume during the interview they will ask people about availability etc.

In the past how much notice did people get before going in to templemore?

I would be amazed if there was not at least 4 weeks notice given to first take intake. It would be unreasonable otherwise. Background checks on 100 people will not take that long.

galalala123

Background checks can take months depending. The first intake will be lucky to get two weeks notice. They even said that at stage 3.

WilcoOut

galalala123 wrote: »

Background checks can take months depending. The first intake will be lucky to get two weeks notice. They even said that at stage 3.

My job will be getting 60minutes notice if theyre lucky

arsenal.fc

I was on the last garda panel that was scrapped, if i don't get in before sep im too old,.:-[

thedirtydevil

arsenal.fc wrote: »

I was on the last garda panel that was scrapped, if i don't get in before sep im too old,.:-[

I think the age cut off was from the day you applied in January. If you were under the age then, i am pretty sure you are ok for this recruitment campaign.

Archer3083

arsenal.fc wrote: »

I was on the last garda panel that was scrapped, if i don't get in before sep im too old,.:-[

I think you're ok for the 3 years of this campaign. You had to be 35 on a certain date or younger to qualify for this campaign. So, I think that means you're ok to accept a place after you're 35 cos you qualified as being under 35 at the start of the campaign.

thedirtydevil

WilcoOut wrote: »

My job will be getting 60minutes notice if theyre lucky

Ha I know. But doesn't say much if someone is expected to break a legal contract to join the AGS!

arsenal.fc

Cheers, the last campaign was a shambles

ShodenMcClane

arsenal.fc wrote: »

Cheers, the last campaign was a shambles

The country was kind of crumbling under everyone's feet at the time. I doubt anyone wanted it to go down the way it did!

galalala123

arsenal.fc wrote: »

I was on the last garda panel that was scrapped, if i don't get in before sep im too old,.:-[

They answered that above too. Once your in the competition before the age cut off point your not too old. So lets say you pass everything but they dont take you in until next year then you'll be fine

WilcoOut

thedirtydevil wrote: »

Ha I know. But doesn't say much if someone is expected to break a legal contract to join the AGS!

What contract? ha!

hopeful8

Considering the amount of applicants to be at stage four now is some achievement fair play to you all.
Is there any idea how many at stage four are reserves, it's now you'd imagine their experience will be an advantage.

Scouser

I was wondering how long it would take for this to rear its head!!


Lets not go down this route - it never ends well

Everyone has relevent experiences and everyone should play their strongest hand

The reserve will feature prominently in my interview and I would hope it will be viewed in a favourable manner

Can we leave it at that!?

KERSPLAT!

Mod

I agree Scouser, it has been done to death and I don't think many want to see the same arguments happening again, so we'll leave it there

As a side note, I want everyone to remember to use the report post function if they feel any post breaches the charter. Think of it as practice report writing for when ye all get to Templemore!

Thanks

-KERSPLAT!

SonnyB

Does anyone know if the superintendent on the interview board is a retired or serving member ?

redout

Fegten wrote: »

Does anyone know if the superintendent on the interview board is a retired or serving member ?

Must be retired as the guidance notes state that AGS won't become involved until stage 5.

ShodenMcClane

By the way, I don't think he was looking to get into a conversation about it it looks like he was just looking for a head count. Anyone else but Scouser a reserve here?

WilcoOut

ShodenMcClane wrote: »

By the way, I don't think he was looking to get into a conversation about it it looks like he was just looking for a head count. Anyone else but Scouser a reserve here?

Thats how it always starts, harmless, then wham! : everyone is bickering


I am a GR also. I know of 2 other grs in the mix ranked in the top 100. I was top 20

Tommy_utd16

redout wrote: »

Must be retired as the guidance notes state that AGS won't become involved until stage 5.

Are you sure? If I remember correctly it was a serving superintendent at stage 3 during the last recruitment drive. It was a panel of 3 a serving superintendent a pas official and psychologist of some sort I think. And all three score you and agree score total. So it's technically still not just AGS deciding. Plus I m not sure AGS would really want retired members choosing future recruits, ever changing environments, cultures and the rest.

Santa Cruz

redout wrote: »

Must be retired as the guidance notes state that AGS won't become involved until stage 5.

Don't worry. The lads will still have his number

redout

Tommy_utd16 wrote: »

Are you sure? If I remember correctly it was a serving superintendent at stage 3 during the last recruitment drive. It was a panel of 3 a serving superintendent a pas official and psychologist of some sort I think. And all three score you and agree score total. So it's technically still not just AGS deciding. Plus I m not sure AGS would really want retired members choosing future recruits, ever changing environments, cultures and the rest.

Stages 1 to 4 of the selection process will be conducted by the Public Appointments Service. Candidates who qualify at Stage 4 and whose place on the order of merit is reached will go forward to Stage 5 for consideration by the Garda Commissioner.

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bort_license

Congrats on everyone getting this far, huge achievement for those who've waited this long to finally have a chance at their dream job!

However, I'd like to remind people that the interview will be in fact the biggest hurdle to jump. For the first time in the campaign we are no longer behind a computer screen answering questions unrelated to the course of work in order to reduce numbers at a sharp rate. The interview will suss out who would make a good police enforcer and who may come across shakey in areas and not so good. There are plenty more in line behind us (in form of bands) ready to jump in to take our place if we don't make the requirements.

anyways, the best of luck to everyone and by the looks of things there are plenty of good Gardai on here!

timwynne

well done and best of luck to you all

its a job like no other

ShodenMcClane

bort_license wrote: »

Congrats on everyone getting this far, huge achievement for those who've waited this long to finally have a chance at their dream job!

However, I'd like to remind people that the interview will be in fact the biggest hurdle to jump. For the first time in the campaign we are no longer behind a computer screen answering questions unrelated to the course of work in order to reduce numbers at a sharp rate. The interview will suss out who would make a good police enforcer and who may come across shakey in areas and not so good. There are plenty more in line behind us (in form of bands) ready to jump in to take our place if we don't make the requirements.

anyways, the best of luck to everyone and by the looks of things there are plenty of good Gardai on here!

Time wise though I'd say there is a fairly good chance they will have to take the 100 from the 300 odd of us. I like those odds!

WilcoOut

ShodenMcClane wrote: »

Time wise though I'd say there is a fairly good chance they will have to take the 100 from the 300 odd of us. I like those odds!

Yup - the creme de la creme!

bort_license

ShodenMcClane wrote: »

Time wise though I'd say there is a fairly good chance they will have to take the 100 from the 300 odd of us. I like those odds!

Of course, i agree. I'd imagine that's the way it'd go, however if they wanted to (waste more time too) they could call upon more people if practically all of us display no attributes for a Garda member. I feel that would be highly unlikely tho!

WilcoOut

bort_license wrote: »

highly unlikely tho!

Highly unlikely!

Those through to stage 4 are in poll position - so start believing it and drive on t'feck!!!

kev-bt

Congrats to everyone who got through. Any word on ye meeting your local super or is that process scrapped?

Chem Lord

Has anyone received their date for the interview? Or are we waiting for the irish stream to receive their results?

galalala123

Nope! Hopefully we get it before the weekend. Surely we will

ShodenMcClane

kev-bt wrote: »

Congrats to everyone who got through. Any word on ye meeting your local super or is that process scrapped?

I thought it was the local Sgt?

kev-bt

ShodenMcClane wrote: »

I thought it was the local Sgt?

Nope it is local Super (for a mini interview). Met local sgt as well but that was just to sign forms for the background check I think!

jamesr123

The meeting with the local should be scrapped anyway. 1 interview should be enough

mickaleen

That's the first I have heard about meeting a local Sergeant or Super. On another note, hopefully we will receive the application form fairly lively so we can start working on it.

WilcoOut

Your right theres a good bit of work to go into it

mickaleen

So what's the final score lads/laddies, are we looking at 400 all in for stage 4? Are they going to create a panel of 300 from this lot or is it just 105 they will look for? It would seem to me that they will pass as many as they can ( within reason, as the person would need to be suitable ) as I don't think they will go back and start all over again with the other bands anytime soon. That's just my opinion, not a dig at anyone in the other bands.

WilcoOut

400 for 200 jobs - i like those odds

kev-bt

mickaleen wrote: »

So what's the final score lads/laddies, are we looking at 400 all in for stage 4? Are they going to create a panel of 300 from this lot or is it just 105 they will look for? It would seem to me that they will pass as many as they can ( within reason, as the person would need to be suitable ) as I don't think they will go back and start all over again with the other bands anytime soon. That's just my opinion, not a dig at anyone in the other bands.

Can see where you are coming from but at the same time why would they bother having an interview if they are going to pass everyone (within reason). Previous campaigns had a ratio of 4 interviews to 1 pass rate.

mickaleen

400 for 200 jobs are indeed good odds. Hopefully that is the case.

WilcoOut

Everyone will not pass but you can be assured that the first class will be made up of the current stage 4 crew

mickaleen

kev-bt wrote: »

Can see where you are coming from but at the same time why would they bother having an interview if they are going to pass everyone (within reason). Previous campaigns had a ratio of 4 interviews to 1 pass rate.

Thanks for that info Kev, I didn't know that info from a previous campaign. I don't think I ever said everyone will pass, you can be sure some won't, fact of life, what I was saying was subject to budget etc they might not have the neccessary funds to run another comp for the other bands and they might pass a few more than they normally do, that's all.

Santa Cruz

WilcoOut wrote: »

Yup - the creme de la creme!

The elite!!!! I'm sure the pay scale will reflect that

Chirper

Does anyone have any idea what the interview will entail?

WilcoOut

Santa Cruz wrote: »

The elite!!!! I'm sure the pay scale will reflect that

Honest days pay for an honest days work

Cormacs72

Got this text there! It could be useful!!
"Garda Entry interview prep courses : Dublin Wed 30th April; Cork Sat 3rd May. For details see CareerServices.ie"