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Soft Falling Rain

Sound, why throw this wonderful chap in a cell when there's lowly shams to be banged up?

My name is URL

My name is URL wrote: »

Well, not exactly

Is that the position you'd take if someone walked free from a rape trial?

He was found not guilty, it's incumbent on society to abide by the decision of the court. It's not for the interested amateur in AH to second guess the legal process and declare him guilty anyway.

If he broke no laws, he's not guilty. That probably means the laws need looking at, but he's still not guilty of the charges brought.

Amirani

Adamantium wrote: »

As an aside aren't property taxes unconstitutional in any free democracy?

I thought the right to own your own property was an unalienble right (the one and only) for a human being.

Aren't you renting from the government of you have to pay them property taxes, so you don't own it. I mean you can't drive a house. It just sits there.

Common sense?

Property taxes don't prohibit you from owning property.

renegademaster

this is what the silence of the majority of Irish people gets us!!

Muise...

ThisRegard wrote: »

It was people like you and I that found him not guilty.

Well, you and me, maybe, ThisRegard. I bet they screened that jury pool for every drop of flaming blaming and scapegoating.

TeddyTedson

rawn wrote: »

Ah lads, what he did wasn't that bad, it's not like he was importing garlic labelled as apples...

Tax evasion is still tax evasion though. The garlic and apples referral tends to play down the actual seriousness of the crime.


Do many people really know enough about the law and the evidence in this case to really hold a valid opinion? I know I sure don't.

J_E

I do wonder how many internet-angry people here actually followed the trial or story at any close degree...this isn't a reflection on the verdict, rather some of the posts here from people I didn't imagine to be junior economists.


Oh, sorry, I was thinking there, feckin' country going down the hole! etc etc.

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SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

rotten corrupt country:mad:

piss off and live somewhere else so. Simples

scamtown

rawn wrote: »

Ah lads, what he did wasn't that bad, it's not like he was importing garlic labelled as apples...

:pac:

ThisRegard

Mahou wrote: »

Without getting in to the legal arguments and the evidence presented which most here haven´t heard.

It feels like another right hook to the face of the Irish people. But when as a people will we lose our temper and fight back?

Or are we too punch drunk to contemplate that?

Again, it was the ordinary Irish people you speak of that found him not guilty.

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Cydoniac wrote: »

I do wonder how many internet-angry people here actually followed the trial or story at any close degree...this isn't a reflection on the verdict, rather some of the posts here from people I didn't imagine to be junior economists.

Nope, doesn't stop them making ridiculous statements about our supposedly "rotten" country though

comewatmay

Just when you think there cannot possibly be any more unjustice in Ireland this happens.

Absolutly sickening.

I feel embarrassed for our country.

To think this man will be off playing golf in Spain for the summer sickens me.

God help whatever local councillor approaches my door this evening regardless of party they are getting an ear bashing

comongethappy

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Least surprising news ever. Probably tucking into a 50lb lobster and giant bottle of Dom as I type.

50lb lobster?

Maybe if lobster comes in Alsatian size!

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comewatmay wrote: »

Just when you think there cannot possibly be any more unjustice in Ireland this happens.

Absolutly sickening.

I feel embarrassed for our country.

To think this man will be off playing golf in Spain for the summer sickens me.

God help whatever local councillor approaches my door this evening regardless of party they are getting an ear bashing

that's just idiotic

comongethappy

comewatmay wrote: »

God help whatever local councillor approaches my door this evening regardless of party they are getting an ear bashing

Unless a local councillor was one of the jurors, that's pretty pointless.

ThisRegard

comewatmay wrote: »

God help whatever local councillor approaches my door this evening regardless of party they are getting an ear bashing

Your local councillor was on the jury?

Amirani

comewatmay wrote: »

God help whatever local councillor approaches my door this evening regardless of party they are getting an ear bashing

This is beyond silly. What the hell do councillors have to do with today's verdict?

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To the people saying that they're "embarrassed for the country". Could you give me a synopsis of why he should of been convicted and what charges he should have been convicted on. Please and thanks

In reality this was a hugely complex trial. It took the bones of three months and only the jurors would have been in a place to understand exactly what they were deciding on

Jumboman

Are those people on the jury completely thick ?:mad:

I think its now time for a revolution.

Bull_Boy

Go Seanie, it's your birthday. We gonna party like it's your birthday...

You either laugh or cry over this kind of ****!

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Jumboman wrote: »

Are those people on the jury completely thick ?:mad:

I think its now time for a revolution.

lol

can you answer this seeing as you're in the know:

To the people saying that they're "embarrassed for the country". Could you give me a synopsis of why he should of been convicted and what charges he should have been convicted on. Please and thanks

Amirani

Jumboman wrote: »

Are those people on the jury completely thick ?:mad:

Why do you think that? I reckon you have no idea what you're talking about.

Dietsquirt

As someone just posted on Twitter, 212 went to prison in 2013 for not paying their tv license, and this chap gets away with it.

Great bunch of lads the Irish are.

BazPM

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

To the people saying that they're "embarrassed for the country". Could you give me a synopsis of why he should of been convicted and what charges he should have been convicted on. Please and thanks

It can be googled quite easily mate. Can you not be so arrogant as to accuse anyone who is annoyed at his aquittal of being ignorant? Please and thanks

comongethappy

Jumboman wrote: »

I think its now time for a revolution.

Go for it.

Amirani

Dietsquirt wrote: »

As someone just posted on Twitter, 212 went to prison in 2013 for not paying their tv license, and this chap gets away with it.

Great bunch of lads the Irish are.

212 people broke the law. Sean Fitzpatrick didn't. I don't see your point?

c_man

Did Lee Adama present his closing case or something??

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Dietsquirt wrote: »

As someone just posted on Twitter, 212 went to prison in 2013 for not paying their tv license, and this chap gets away with it.

Great bunch of lads the Irish are.

What exact crime should he have been convicted of?

comewatmay

Local councillors are part of the government of this country. For want of a better word they are part of the 'system' which allows this stuff to go on.

If I vent my anger at local politicians maybe them just maybe the message may go to the government and future governments that the Irish people are angry

longhalloween

Justice has been done.

Mahou

ThisRegard wrote: »

Again, it was the ordinary Irish people you speak of that found him not guilty.

Did I say otherwise?

J_E

BazPM wrote: »

It can be googled quite easily mate. Can you not be so arrogant as to accuse anyone who is annoyed at his aquittal of being ignorant? Please and thanks

You're welcome to provide a quick synopsis, or a Google search.

Amirani

BazPM wrote: »

It can be googled quite easily mate. Can you not be so arrogant as to accuse anyone who is annoyed at his aquittal of being ignorant? Please and thanks

They are by definition ignorant. They didn't hear the evidence presented at the trial.

wendell borton

The smirking slimebag is on tv3 now thanking the jury, makes my blood boil.

Sir Oxman

We were warned the big players in this gangster driven catastrophe would never see a minute behind locked doors.
We were told over and over.
I am not surprised one bit.
Off you go Seanie, protected till the end, enjoy your well earned freedom.

Banana Republic, Septic Isle.

Jack1985

Fitzpatrick, the Regulator, Bertie and Biffo and the whole establishment, in a safe bunker for a Homeland - Brody style assassination - Worlds most celebrated attack.

Bastards the lot.

Muise...

Jumboman wrote: »

Are those people on the jury completely thick ?:mad:

I think its now time for a revolution.

Did you hear and read and discuss all the evidence and testimony in the case? Because if you didn't, your revolution will be a half a spin at a dance at a crossroads.

comewatmay

Diego Simeone wrote: »

212 people broke the law. Sean Fitzpatrick didn't. I don't see your point?[

His point is that Fitzpatrick destroyed a bank, hid loans and caused untold damage on our country.

Fitzpatrick is a crook. That's his point.

comewatmay

comewatmay wrote: »

Just when you think there cannot possibly be any more unjustice in Ireland this happens.

Absolutly sickening.

I feel embarrassed for our country.

To think this man will be off playing golf in Spain for the summer sickens me.

God help whatever local councillor approaches my door this evening regardless of party they are getting an ear bashing

This exemplifies everything wrong with the opinions of the majority on this thread.

What do you think should happen? That people should be convicted on inadequate evidence just because the world out there thinks they should be? Regardless of the evidence and facts in court?

If there was sufficient evidence for a conviction in court, on the charges, he'd be convicted. There wasn't, so he wasn't. That's how the legal system works.

At least he wasn't convicted unsafely on the back of public opinion, because that would be a far blacker day for justice than this is.

Amirani

comewatmay wrote: »

Local councillors are part of the government of this country. For want of a better word they are part of the 'system' which allows this stuff to go on.

If I vent my anger at local politicians maybe them just maybe the message may go to the government and future governments that the Irish people are angry

Local councillors play no part in the national legislative process. They're not part of "the system".

You also said your criticism would be non-partisan. How would independent councillors have a responsibility for this judgement?

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BazPM wrote: »

It can be googled quite easily mate. Can you not be so arrogant as to accuse anyone who is annoyed at his aquittal of being ignorant? Please and thanks

why don't you tell me why he should have been convicted and what crimes he committed then?

I was following the trial and found it very hard to grasp. If anything I'm ignorant myself. Hence why I'm wondering where all the outrage stems from

my friend

We didn't have the laws, we don't have the regulators , the DPP was obsessed with showboating and the only positive to be gleaned from this charade is the intelligence of the jury

J_E

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Banana Republic, Septic Isle.

I'm not sure that term means what you think it means...way to downplay a whole country to a buzz word though.

Kermit.de.frog

Stargate wrote: »

" FitzPatrick did not react as the verdict was read."

He did react. He looked back at his family and gave them a wink.

comongethappy

Whatever the flaws of juries, thank god its not 'rule by mob' (judging by the posts here!).

comewatmay

Candie wrote: »

This exemplifies everything wrong with the opinions of the majority on this thread.

What do you think should happen? That people should be convicted on inadequate evidence just because the world out there thinks they should be? Regardless of the evidence and facts in court?



If there was sufficient evidence for a conviction in court, on the charges, he'd be convicted. There wasn't, so he wasn't. That's how the legal system works.

At least he wasn't convicted unsafely on the back of public opinion, because that would be a far blacker day for justice than this is.

It's because idiots like you see no wrong that people think its ok to do what Fitzpatrick and Anglo Irish bank did.

Same think old sit back and do nothing Ireland. Fitzpatrick laughing all the way to the bank.

It's laughable

Do ye think this would happen in Amaeroca?

Not a chance

Enron

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comewatmay wrote: »

Local councillors are part of the government of this country. For want of a better word they are part of the 'system' which allows this stuff to go on.

If I vent my anger at local politicians maybe them just maybe the message may go to the government and future governments that the Irish people are angry

You're completely wrong. Local councillors have nothing to do with legislating for the courts. Shout at your councillor about him getting off if you like, but you'll just come across as a dick

RollieFingers

Who's worse, Fitzie or John Gilligan?

ThisRegard

Jumboman wrote: »

Are those people on the jury completely thick ?:mad:

I think its now time for a revolution.

Yeah, let's revolt against our fellow members of the public. Civil War is what you're advocating ? Our last one didn't work out too well.

joeguevara

Candie wrote: »

Is that the position you'd take if someone walked free from a rape trial?

He was found not guilty, it's incumbent on society to abide by the decision of the court. It's not for the interested amateur in AH to second guess the legal process and declare him guilty anyway.

If he broke no laws, he's not guilty. That probably means the laws need looking at, but he's still not guilty of the charges brought.

I think what the poster was saying was that he was found not guilty. This does not mean that he was found innocent. It just means that they couldn't prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. There is a difference. Especially seeing as it was only a majority verdict and not a unanimous one.

I think in some courts (like in Scotland) you can be found innocent as opposed to not guilty. This is not the case in Ireland.