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Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

comewatmay wrote: »

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Do ye think this would happen in Amaeroca?

where!

dd972

Good ol' Gombeen Land, hope those whom emigrated keep in touch with this stuff if they're thinking of coming back.

padd b1975

kippy wrote: »

Was anyone really expecting a different outcome in this case?

Nope.

Not when you examine the Mickey Mouse case put up against him.

RollieFingers

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

You're completely wrong. Local councillors have nothing to do with legislating for the courts. Shout at your councillor about him getting off if you like, but you'll just come across as a dick

Takes one to know one!

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

padd b1975 wrote: »

Nope.

Not when you examine the Mickey Mouse case put up against him.

Could you explain how it was a mickey mouse case and how it should have been stronger?

thebaz

what a great legal system we have - great for the accused - terrible for any victims - the most revealing outcomes about Anglo , have come from America , our pompous legal system once again provides nothing but dollars for the well heeled close knit legal fraternity up at the law library. Bravo

comewatmay

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

where!

Are you thick?

Obviously it's a misspelled word. Meant America

Wompa1

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

To the people saying that they're "embarrassed for the country". Could you give me a synopsis of why he should of been convicted and what charges he should have been convicted on. Please and thanks

In reality this was a hugely complex trial. It took the bones of three months and only the jurors would have been in a place to understand exactly what they were deciding on

Apparently at least one person on the jury believed he was guilty. What I don't understand is, he was the chairman of the bank, Meaning he was the authority responsible for those working below him, including Drumm. Whatever Drumm was doing ultimately is the responsibility of Fitzpatricks, is pleading ignorant really an acceptable defense?

If my wife tells me she paid the water charges, the tv license and the property tax and it's all in my name. Can I get off any charges by claiming she was meant to take care of that? How can he not be responsible? Should Obama or any other head of a country be able to wash their hands of all responsibility for something claiming one of their cabinet was in charge of that?

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

RollieFingers wrote: »

Takes one to know one!

fantastic, intelligent retort

Sir Oxman

Cydoniac wrote: »

I'm not sure that term means what you think it means...way to downplay a whole country to a buzz word though.

I'm well aware, I live in the
corrupt police, politician, priest ridden kip.

comewatmay

People need to understand the man is 100% guilty of doing wrong regardless of what the jury say.

He is not however guilty of breaking Irish law. This needs to be changed.

The man is still scum and did wrong.

Jack1985

The smirk on him reading his statement on Six One. Needs to be thrown in a pit for the rest of his life.

J_E

padd b1975 wrote: »

Nope.

Not when you examine the Mickey Mouse case put up against him.

What Mickey Mouse case was that now?

ABajaninCork

SMH - but nor surprised.

Perhaps the trial should have been judge-only and not jury-led? I don't know...

Muahahaha

eviltwin wrote: »

What next for him I wonder? I hope he cuts his losses here and fecks off overseas, I would like to think no one will touch him given his reputation but in this country you never know.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, I heard he got a standing ovation in the law library a few years back. He has already been working on his own in consultancy for the last while and from what I hear he has all the work he wants around Dublin. He won't need to be leaving Ireland, Fitzpatrick gave plenty of powerful people the opportunity to make themselves multi millionaires, some achieved it, some went bust, but they don't blame him for anything.

Spring Onion

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

If anything I'm ignorant myself.

+1

RollieFingers

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

fantastic, intelligent retort

Nibble nibble

Amirani

RollieFingers wrote: »

Takes one to know one!

So if you think Sean Fitzpatrick is a dick, that therefore makes you a dick?

Makes sense.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

Spring Onion wrote: »

+1

what's your own take on the matter? Can you explain it?

Specialun

Does any1 else the small irony in this not guilty verdict on the same say that the water charge estimination came out on a scheme being pushed by the troika

ThisRegard

comewatmay wrote: »

It's because idiots like you see no wrong that people think its ok to do what Fitzpatrick and Anglo Irish bank did.

Same think old sit back and do nothing Ireland. Fitzpatrick laughing all the way 7 the bank.

It's laughable

Do ye think this would happen in Amaeroca?

Not a chance

Enron

So the legal system shouldn't take the law into account now?

Muise...

comewatmay wrote: »

It's because idiots like you see no wrong that people think its ok to do what Fitzpatrick and Anglo Irish bank did.

Same think old sit back and do nothing Ireland. Fitzpatrick laughing all the way to the bank.

It's laughable

Do ye think this would happen in Amaeroca?

Not a chance

Enron

It's because people like you completely misread intelligent posts that the thread gets out of hand.

This is why we can't have nice chats.

Specialun

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Whatever about the Maple 10, it was the annual hiding of his massive corporate loans to himself which should have been illegal. Evidently it wasn't so he can't be prosecuted for it, but do you see any sign of the government changing the law so it can't happen again?

*crickets*

Ah he is facing trial on those in a few months

TeddyTedson

The mods will be on overtime with this one.
Good news for the tax man though I guess.

Amirani

comewatmay wrote: »

People need to understand the man is 100% guilty of doing wrong regardless of what the jury say.

He is not however guilty of breaking Irish law. This needs to be changed.

The man is still scum and did wrong.

In fairness, nobody on here has been saying he did nothing wrong.

Stavros Murphy

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Laws probably need to be changed.

Yeah, or as I said before, "going forward, we must review the rules and make certain this never happens again" - i.e be grand. Do nothing, move on. Good old Ireland. No-one is accountable for anything. If he'd sent a nude selfie to his secretary there'd have been war. We have odd morals.

wendell borton

Who are his two special friends?

padd b1975

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

Could you explain how it was a mickey mouse case and how it should have been stronger?

If it could have been made stronger, I'm pretty sure the prosecution would have facilitated it.

As for the Mickey Mouse aspect, perhaps you should look to the role of the Financial Regulator in it.

comewatmay

Watching him on 6ome there. Absolutly sickening.

Wants curtesy? F*uck sake. He should be hounded out of the country by the media.

He broke no law but he did very wrong.

The jury judged him on legislation from 1963!!!!

Makes my blood boil this.

comewatmay

Diego Simeone wrote: »

In fairness, nobody on here has been saying he did nothing wrong.

Plenty have been saying it

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

Yeah, or as I said before, "going forward, we must review the rules and make certain this never happens again" - i.e be grand. Do nothing, move on. Good old Ireland. No-one is accountable for anything. If he'd sent a nude selfie to his secretary there'd have been war. We have odd morals.

Why do people throw this self-important ****e around?

We're not the only country in the world that bad things happen in

c_man

Yeah I can accept that a jury found him not guilty, and that's the bottom line. But I don't have to be happy about it, really kinda sticks in the throat.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

comewatmay wrote: »

Watching him on 6ome there. Absolutly sickening.

Wants curtesy? F*uck sake. He should be hounded out of the country by the media.

He broke no law but he did very wrong.

The jury judged him on legislation from 1963!!!!

Makes my blood boil this.

Could you explain exactly what he did wrong? Do you even know or is it all just soapboxing?

padd b1975

RollieFingers wrote: »

Who's worse, Fitzie or John Gilligan?

The latter.




FFS.

Amirani

comewatmay wrote: »

Plenty have been saying it

Any examples?

I think most will agree that his behaviour was unethical and perhaps immoral, I certainly do. However. I have no issues with the judgement today. He broke no laws.

RollieFingers

He walked into a restaurant in Greystones before the trial and the whole place got up and left, haha, hopefully the shunning continues!

Nodin

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Laws probably need to be changed.

...fucking beyond me. I thought they were going to charge him with trading in a reckless manner and get off, so when he got hit with these, I was more optimistic he'd be convicted. It's like he recorded himself shooting somebody in the head, was recorded recording it and doing it, and was cleared of it.

Jumboman

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

What exact crime should he have been convicted of?

Offences against the state act would be a start.

Frank Lee Midere

It looks like there was no law to break here and retrospective laws are a disaster. Maybe this trial shouldn't have happened and the other trial on illegal loans should have.

comewatmay

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

Could you explain exactly what he did wrong? Do you even know or is it all just soapboxing?

He gave loans to people to buy shares in a bank which inflated the share price. People purchased shares in this bank thinking it was more liquid than it was.

That is what he did wrong. Not illegal but wrong.

joeguevara

joeguevara wrote: »

I think what the poster was saying was that he was found not guilty. This does not mean that he was found innocent. It just means that they couldn't prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. There is a difference. Especially seeing as it was only a majority verdict and not a unanimous one.

I think in some courts (like in Scotland) you can be found innocent as opposed to not guilty. This is not the case in Ireland.

I know exactly what he was saying.

People are very selective in how they take a legal verdict. A guy found not guilty of rape would have every sympathy and probably calls for his accuser to be sent to prison by many of the people on this thread.

No one gives Fitzpatrick that kind of consideration, but his not guilty verdict is every bit as valid as anyone elses for any other crime.

tayto lover

RTE saying that the judge directed the jury to disregard a lot of stuff :rolleyes:
Now who appoints these judges again?

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

RollieFingers wrote: »

He walked into a restaurant in Greystones before the trial and the whole place got up and left, haha, hopefully the shunning continues!

that's def not true. As much as you probably want to believe it. Majority of the population wouldn't even recognise him

longhalloween

"comewatmay wrote: »

The jury judged him on legislation from 1963!.

Law cant keep up with business or technology. Its completely outdated when it comes to white collar crime.

Anonymous should base themselves in Ireland as the worst jail term theyd face is 1 year.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

tayto lover wrote: »

RTE saying that the judge directed the jury to disregard a lot of stuff :rolleyes:
Now who appoints these judges again?

Have you ever been to a court before? Happens in every case

Are you suggesting that it's a conspiracy?

Fitzpatrick doesn't appoint judges btw

tayto lover

tayto lover wrote: »

RTE saying that the judge directed the jury to disregard a lot of stuff :rolleyes:
Now who appoints these judges again?

Why shoudn't he direct the jury in what they should or shouldn't consider relevant? Thats the job, happens all the time in most trials.

thebaz

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

Could you explain exactly what he did wrong? Do you even know or is it all just soapboxing?

I suppose bankrupting the state is doing no wrong

Nodin

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

Could you explain exactly what he did wrong? Do you even know or is it all just soapboxing?

Attempted to boost his own shareprice.

thebaz

thebaz wrote: »

I suppose bankrupting the state is doing no wrong

Seriously, you should have presented your evidence sooner, then the court could have used it.

Frank Lee Midere

comewatmay wrote: »

He gave loans to people to buy shares in a bank which inflated the share price. People purchased shares in this bank thinking it was more liquid than it was.

That is what he did wrong. Not illegal but wrong.

The DPP must have thought there was some illegality?