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NBA Playoffs 2014
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ButtersSuki wrote: »Kurt Rambis has more rings than Larry Bird.
I'm assuming a basic level of intelligence that doesn't interpret it to mean Kurt Rambis is better than Larry Bird.
The great thing about rings is cuts through all the other bull****.
Like that ridiculous stat during the season about Durant overtaking Jordan by scoring 25 points in 40 consecutive games. I remember thinking at the time 'Jordan has 6 rings, Durant has 0'.
And when it came to the playoffs, what good was Durant's ability to score 25 points in 40 consecutive games?
(In fairness to Durant, he was the first to say the stat was meaningless.)
All the great players understand this. You think Magic knows what's important in basketball?
@MagicJohnson: "NBA Championship rings are all that matter; Jordan 6, Me 5, Bird 3, LeBron 2 and Dr. J 1."
Jordan, who had more individual stats than most?
Phil Jackson is as much about team basketball as anyone and called his book '11 Rings'.
It's a team game. The object is to win basketball games and championships. Rings measure that. They're 10 times more important than all the other crap combined.
It annoys me at times because there are so many individual awards and stats that people talk about, you'd think at times that winning championships was a side issue.0 -
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I'm assuming a basic level of intelligence that doesn't interpret it to mean Kurt Rambis is better than Larry Bird.
The great thing about rings is cuts through all the other bull****.
Like that ridiculous stat during the season about Durant overtaking Jordan by scoring 25 points in 40 consecutive games. I remember thinking at the time 'Jordan has 6 rings, Durant has 0'.
And when it came to the playoffs, what good was Durant's ability to score 25 points in 40 consecutive games?
(In fairness to Durant, he was the first to say the stat was meaningless.)
All the great players understand this. You think Magic knows what's important in basketball?
@MagicJohnson: "NBA Championship rings are all that matter; Jordan 6, Me 5, Bird 3, LeBron 2 and Dr. J 1."
Jordan, who had more individual stats than most?
Phil Jackson is as much about team basketball as anyone and called his book '11 Rings'.
It's a team game. The object is to win basketball games and championships. Rings measure that. They're 10 times more important than all the other crap combined.
It annoys me at times because there are so many individual awards and stats that people talk about, you'd think at times that winning championships was a side issue.
Gee thanks for the nod at a basic level of intelligence.
Of course it's about a team game and winning. BUT my point is rings can't be the one and only measure of greatness. You can amass rings as a bench warmer on championship teams but you may play seconds in a series - does that make you a winner? Not in my eyes.
The Bird and Rambis comparison is legit in my eyes as Bird is a Top 5 All Time player in most people's eyes, Top 10 at worst in almost everybody else's. But by your argument (sic.) Rambis is better/more of a winner by virtue of the fact he has more rings. Which is just crap. If you were starting a team tomorrow and you had 1 pick to start with - Rambis or Bird, there's only one choice.
More examples? Juwan Howard over Charles Barkley. Adam Morrison over Karl Malone.
Ever heard of Dickey Simpkins, Mengke Bateer, Brian Cardinal, Scott Pollard, Gabe Pruitt or Sun Yue? All "got rings". John Stockton has none.0 -
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I'm assuming a basic level of intelligence that doesn't interpret it to mean Kurt Rambis is better than Larry Bird.
The great thing about rings is cuts through all the other bull****.
Like that ridiculous stat during the season about Durant overtaking Jordan by scoring 25 points in 40 consecutive games. I remember thinking at the time 'Jordan has 6 rings, Durant has 0'.
And when it came to the playoffs, what good was Durant's ability to score 25 points in 40 consecutive games?
(In fairness to Durant, he was the first to say the stat was meaningless.)
All the great players understand this. You think Magic knows what's important in basketball?
@MagicJohnson: "NBA Championship rings are all that matter; Jordan 6, Me 5, Bird 3, LeBron 2 and Dr. J 1."
Jordan, who had more individual stats than most?
Phil Jackson is as much about team basketball as anyone and called his book '11 Rings'.
It's a team game. The object is to win basketball games and championships. Rings measure that. They're 10 times more important than all the other crap combined.
It annoys me at times because there are so many individual awards and stats that people talk about, you'd think at times that winning championships was a side issue.
if mj is using that argument theres only one player that ran out of fingers
i don't think you just have to look at the player some guys are better than others stats be damned0 -
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A great example of stats over team is San Antonio. The most impressive stat for me this year is the fact that no San Antonio player averaged more than 28 mins a game this year. And yet they finished with the best record in the league.
But let's explore that a little more. All players on that team have bought in to the philosophy that they're sacrificing their own individual stats for the betterment of the team, which in an ego driven game like basketball is at the elite level is one of Pop's greatest achievements. If Timmy was the starter for a weak team and played 40mims per night, he'd easily add significant numbers to his scoring and rebounding numbers. Same with Parker on assists and points etc. and so on. It gets really significant in Timmy's case when you put that into a career context - how much individual glory (and stats) he's sacrificed over the years to win. Likewise, you have standout players on weak (and indeed strong) teams who put up impressive stats but you know they're gunners and/or not exactly team players.
I just hate the rings argument, I really do - and the Rambis*/Bird argument shuts that one down pretty quickly for most people. I know it was an example, but I don't think anyone thinks Chuck is the greatest ever though.
*Kurt Rambis also has more appearances on Sweet Valley High than Larry Bird. Check from about the 5:35 mark for some light relief and incredible acting. :rolleyes:
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Fantastic interactive Finals preview up on Grantland from Goldsberry -
http://grantland.com/features/nba-finals-2014-miami-heat-san-antonio-spurs-shooters-lebron-james/
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Predictions then lads?
Everything points to the Spurs. Home advantage, a road record of 30-11 compared to the Heat's 22-19, Spurs offense score 105.4 a game in the stronger west compared to the Heat's 102.2 in the horrendously bad east, they both concede 97, Spurs offensive and defensive rebounding stats are better, they have better roster depth, better 3 point shooting, and there's also the revenge factor from last year.
All that said, I can't escape thinking that the Heat will pull it off again. They have the best player in the series and on the planet, and it's tough to win a 7 game series when you don't have the best player in it on your team. Parker said he's unsure of how his ankle will hold up as he hasn't done anything at full speed since he was withdrawn against the Thunder, but I feel the Spurs need him at 100% to tick and it could be a small piece of luck like that for the Heat that may swing this series.
I'm going for the Heat in 7, with LeBron to go into beast mode, but if Parker's not 100% then I think the Heat take it more comfortably. Despite almost everything being in favour of the Spurs on the stats sheet, I can't look past the Heat (or more specifically, LeBron). I hope I'm wrong as I'd love to see the Spurs do it.
Enjoy it anyway lads, it will hopefully be a cracking series.
On another note, I've just realised that the format has gone to 2-2-1-1-1, much better IMO. If teams split the first two games in a Finals there's not really much home advantage then having to go on the road 3 games in a row during the old format. I like the 2-2-1-1-1 a lot better.0 -
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