2014 Recruitment!

Graciehart

.S. wrote: »

I also heard from a officer that salaries would drop but I heard it doesn't come into affect until April 15. Hearsay until it's all official but I'd say threat level or not, it'll drop at some stage, the joys of budgets etc. This campaign (and last Octobers) was advertised at 23k but until you're in with your contract nothing's official really..

True, just think it's confusing to people applying to hear something advertised and it being changed a few weeks later. And would be better left unsaid until people hear from official channels

Graciehart

HighburyLad wrote: »

Fair point, that wasn't my intentions but I can see what you mean, no scaremongering intended, my bad.

No worries, I may have come across like a tool as I just read over it and I come across badly! Sorry I'm nice really!!!

.S.

I doubt very much that was highburys intention, a lot of what's posted here is guess work (time frames, when we might hear etc), recruitment communication is sparse. I heard from a regular serving officer, not anyone particularly senior. Time will tell, point is, it's a possibility in the future. It's not a scare tactic, just interesting if anyone else has heard anything (ain't much to do while waiting to hear from PSNI except wonder what's happening / hit the gym.

HighburyLad

Graciehart wrote: »

No worries, I may have come across like a tool as I just read over it and I come across badly! Sorry I'm nice really!!!

That's okay lol, me too my intentions are good lol

Graciehart

.S. wrote: »

I doubt very much that was highburys intention, incase you haven't noticed most of what's posted here is guess work until we're in, recruitment communication is sparse. I heard from a regular serving officer, not anyone particularly senior. Time will tell, point is, it's a definite possibility in the future.

I know everyone is guessing which is why I said I could be wrong!! All I was saying is that'd be weird if they advertised something to change it just a few weeks later no matter what organisation it is and that 4k is more than a little pay cut seeing as constables were being paid more than that like 5yrs ago. Anyway I wasn't trying to fight just saying everyone should wait until it's official before worrying. Sorry if I've come across badly as it wasn't my intention. I'm lovely

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popolive wrote: »

Whats any of this after tax anyway ? Subtract 20% ? What about insurance contributions etc ? Is the UK more tax competitive than the Republic these days ? What kind of tax deductions can you make ? (zero knowledge about the UK tax code here)

I've been told a quick way is to deduct 25% for tax NI pension etc

.S.

Lol touch wood we'll be GV buddies at some stage, don't worry! :-) whatever happens, imagine there'll be enough o/t to help our pay packets out!

popolive

Is there a limit to how much overtime they will give you ? Is it possible to reach that limit ?


I have some closely related family members who I haven't seen for something like 15 years and others who I hardly speak to. The world can be a funny place no matter how good you are yourself as a person. They could be chopping each others little fingers off Yakuza style and I wouldn't know but I doubt it ! Am I expected to mention them on my vetting form or alert them to my application in some way ?

Juliet Kilo

popolive wrote: »

Is there a limit to how much overtime they will give you ? Is it possible to reach that limit ?


I have some closely related family members who I haven't seen for something like 15 years and others who I hardly speak to. The world can be a funny place no matter how good you are yourself as a person. They could be chopping each others little fingers off Yakuza style and I wouldn't know but I doubt it ! Am I expected to mention them on my vetting form or alert them to my application in some way ?

Best advice here is to worry about all of this when you have to. One stage at a time is as quick as any of us can do this.

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popolive wrote: »

Is there a limit to how much overtime they will give you ? Is it possible to reach that limit ?


I have some closely related family members who I haven't seen for something like 15 years and others who I hardly speak to. The world can be a funny place no matter how good you are yourself as a person. They could be chopping each others little fingers off Yakuza style and I wouldn't know but I doubt it ! Am I expected to mention them on my vetting form or alert them to my application in some way ?

Was speaking to a guy in ops planning, he said there's an a guy who works nearly every day, does doubles etc his take home was approx £79k last year!!!!!! He said in D/LD they're averaging about 6 day weeks and doing loads of 12 hour shifts. This guy doesn't bull **** me, he's one of my nearest and dearest. Heard this from another inside friend too

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Btw the vetting asks for brothers, sisters, step siblings, mums dads step patents partner and their parents from what I remember

Sthm

The PSNI, PFNI and PNB have been in negotiations for some time regarding implementing some of the Winsor reforms.

They only recently came to agreement as per Terry Spence and Ford at the PFNI Annual Conference just a few weeks ago. Spence said that an agreement was put in place that would implement some of Winsor (eg. reaching max pay point for Con at 7 years rather than the current 10) but did not have any 'detrimental effect' on officer's pay.

It's not scaremongering - an agreement has been made changing pay and conditions with PNB. It'll be either on a PNB circular or DOJ release in due course no doubt. Some of Winsor has been implemented in this new agreement.

Graciehart

Sthm wrote: »

The PSNI, PFNI and PNB have been in negotiations for some time regarding implementing some of the Winsor reforms.

They only recently came to agreement as per Terry Spence and Ford at the PFNI Annual Conference just a few weeks ago. Spence said that an agreement was put in place that would implement some of Winsor (eg. reaching max pay point for Con at 7 years rather than the current 10) but did not have any 'detrimental effect' on officer's pay.

It's not scaremongering - an agreement has been made changing pay and conditions with PNB. It'll be either on a PNB circular or DOJ release in due course no doubt. Some of Winsor has been implemented in this new agreement.

So do you reckon it won't effect a starting salary by 4k? I'm a little confused now lol

Sthm

Not sure to be honest, just as confused really! Terry Spence has said there is no 'detrimental change' to pensionable pay. But it's just funny that there's no mention of salary on the joinpsni website or the updated Guidance for Applicants.

It has been confirmed that officers will reach max Con salary quicker with the new agreement but it may mean starting lower and having large increases between pay points. Just guess work until a circular is released. It'll be confirmed by the NIPB soon either way as the agreement comes into effect September 2014.

crinkley

They stated at the familiarization session that starting salary for this intake would remain the same

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Said it at mine too at the start of the month

DesertCreat_15

See their could be a spanner in the works for Campaign 2 !

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/policing-fears-as-psni-hit-by-15m-cuts-over-welfare-logjam-30350888.html

PutItDown

Oh dear...meh I'm not applying for the money but still not a positive to be paid less...or have recruitment frozen.

DesertCreat_15

I don't think it will affect salaries, but there seems to be an air of uncertainty as to whether this 2014 campaign will continue or not.

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DesertCreat_15 wrote: »

I don't think it will affect salaries, but there seems to be an air of uncertainty as to whether this 2014 campaign will continue or not.

Where did you hear that? I think it's ridiculous. Officers working an average 6 day weeks in D/LD ATM it's obvious that there's still a need for new officers

DesertCreat_15

Ehh, from reading the article, does it not sound a bit negative for the 2014 campaign, to you?

PutItDown

...end of the day i suppose no money no spending, campaigns have been paused before haven't they, with people right before getting a job.

I've only been on the previous campaign and conked out at assessment so never been on a pause or a waiting list...

HereBsMe

DesertCreat_15 wrote: »

Ehh, from reading the article, does it not sound a bit negative for the 2014 campaign, to you?

I am staying away from reading news articles as such. I don't want to burst the happy PSNI recruitment bubble I am in at the minute!

Choobs

Doesn't sound good. I would like to hope it would mean a reduction in numbers in the second recruitment rather than a cancellation altogether

Homer01

HR lady at last week's session confirmed pay is still in 'negotiations'. I do have the initial Guidance for Applicants where it states £23k, not that it counts for anything lol

Sgt also gave a pay example. One of his officers who has been in job 3 years is on about £40k inc overtime. Not bad

I imagine a drop to £19k would be a deal breaker for most.

HighburyLad

DesertCreat_15 wrote: »

See their could be a spanner in the works for Campaign 2 !

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/policing-fears-as-psni-hit-by-15m-cuts-over-welfare-logjam-30350888.html

Damn! The PSNI can't seem to get a break at the minute, no wonder Matt is leaving early. I really can't see the PSNI not continuing with recruiting, money would be found somewhere, it would have to be, with the rate natural wastage is occurring. (I say this in bid to reassure myself lol)

I read when campaign 1 started they quoted 6,900 odd now they're quoting 6,500 so campaign 1 is topping up those that have retired or left, all they're doing at this rate is topping up numbers not increasing.

As we speak there is officers retiring, and all it has done has increasingly decreased the size of the force. Who knows though, it's media, not to discredit it in any shape or form though. One thng is for sure the economy fallen out of its arse? sucks! big time!

TDA2

Folks
To try to resolve the pay issue, the psni is in a unique situation because of the troubles and are exempt. They also attract a 4k bonus. Don't know is that's 19k +4 which is 23k or 27k. Whilst the paramilitaries are here the pay will not go down. The PSNI has struggled to attract Catholics (specifically) and would not want their good undermined. They want the best people

MD4PSNI

Guys, lets be totally honest here. If you want the job as much as me then pay wont be the be all and end all.

I am taking a massive pay cut if i get through the next stages and am accepted.

If you arnt happy with the rate of pay dont progress any further in this campaign.

Hope i dont sound like a tool but lets just cut the bullsh1t!!

DesertCreat_15

Don't hate on me for saying this MD4, but if it was anywhere else in the UK or Ireland, I would happily work for £19k a year, but thing is, it's not.


As soon as one becomes a student constable, he/she and his/her family is a target day and night 24/7 - 365.

I would work for £19k a year if it came to it, but to me it doesn't seem very appreciative of the life a constable has to live.

Sthm

Just to clarify - I'm also cutting a good career short to join, the money comes after the job itself. However, I think it's only fair to be remunerated properly for the job.

I've seen the PNB circular HighburyLad referred to and it states from Sept 2014 it is £19,000 upon commencement of the SOTP and then £22,221 after attestation. Seven years as con to reach £36,885 rather than the current ten. 'Current' salary would be £23,493 start and then £26,223 after finishing the 22 weeks.

Contradicts what Terry Spence said, but that's the agreement reached apparently.