Reseeding Thread 2014

Charliebull

Sam Kade wrote: »

Yes it's red shank but is poisonous for livestock. Spraying is the best option but it needs to be done straight away with that infestation.

didnt realise red shank was poisonous, cows grazed it before and no side effects, it will die away itself after 1st year

whelan2

Charliebull wrote: »

didnt realise red shank was poisonous, cows grazed it before and no side effects, it will die away itself after 1st year

we topped it , but the toppings could lie on the grass and kill it. We also baled another bit for silage, bales where extremely heavy. Think its posionous if they eat a big belly full of it fresh. Its one of the downers of a spring reseed

Farmer Pudsey

I did not think it was poisonous either, have had cattle eat small quanties however in a reseed the cattle will eat sweet grass first before they tackle that. If in a small area spray with knapsack.

Did you use a post emergence spray.

td5man

Had redshank in a reseed here, the cows cleaned it and never milked as well.

Oldtree

When I first moved into the house here, the back garden had been leveled. Redshank was one of the weeds that came up, but it did not persist. When I looked it up it is one of those with seeds that can persist in the soil for years and is very common on recently disturbed soil. This teagasc publication gives a more up to date view on Redshank and tillage weeds then the info I had.

http://www.teagasc.ie/publications/2010/55/55_Guide_to_Identifying_Tillage_Weeds.pdf

ellewood

Charliebull wrote: »

too lazy to read through the whole thread lads but has it been discussed about a suitable seed for peaty ground

just drained and cleared 2 acres of habitat which is very peaty, just going to broadcast seed

And what are the poor birds that were living in the habitat going to live on now that you will have lovely new grass in it??:(

Bigbird1

Thanks for replys.i didnt spray it with anything yet.this really shot up in the past week or so.grass is doing ok.but im sure would do a lot better if these weeds were cleared away.will spraying have much effect on grass growth

Farmer Pudsey

Bigbird1 wrote: »

Thanks for replys.i didnt spray it with anything yet.this really shot up in the past week or so.grass is doing ok.but im sure would do a lot better if these weeds were cleared away.will spraying have much effect on grass growth

MCPA is easy enough on grass but will really set back clover, lads forget how early you need psot emergence sprays, grass at two leave stage and one true leaf on clover. You also need the leafs of weeds no bigger than a 2 euro coin. Mind you the weeds will set back the grass as well.

Charliebull

ellewood wrote: »

And what are the poor birds that were living in the habitat going to live on now that you will have lovely new grass in it??:(

only birds i am worried about is the ones in me bedroom,

Greengrass1

How long after sowing will post emergence work?

Charliebull

Greengrass1 wrote: »

How long after sowing will post emergence work?

with the birds or the grass:rolleyes:

cant recall, think about 4 weeks buts it dependent on growth rates

ellewood

Charliebull wrote: »

only birds i am worried about is the ones in me bedroom,

Greedy fella arnt ya:P

willfarmerman

When do you spray with post emergence spray as a rule? Would I get away without it if I'm grazing with sheep?

td5man

Charliebull wrote: »

with the birds or the grass:rolleyes:

cant recall, think about 4 weeks buts it dependent on growth rates

If it's the birds you'd need to do them pre emergence.

Charliebull

ellewood wrote: »

Greedy fella arnt ya:P

what is it they say, you can never get enough of a good thing

Bigbird1

Here it is again. Is it definitely redshank.i thought redshank had more red colouring on it

td5man

Bigbird1 wrote: »

Here it is again. Is it definitely redshank.i thought redshank had more red colouring on it

Redshank

frazzledhome

Greengrass1 wrote: »

How long after sowing will post emergence work?

At three leaf stage, grass

All reseeds need spray or you'll have docks very shortly

The weed is Redshank and harmless to cattle. Spray at first opportunity

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

At three leaf stage, grass

All reseeds need spray or you'll have docks very shortly

The weed is Redshank and harmless to cattle. Spray at first opportunity

Yeah I have docks. Oddles of them. Very Small and very very big. Sprayer only repaired today. Was sowed 6 weeks on sat. Needs grazing

td5man

Would an intensive grazing mix be ok for silage
As in not having a dedicated silage area taking out excess covers instead as they occur.
How would it yield?

td5man

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Yeah I have docks. Oddles of them. Very Small and very very big. Sprayer only repaired today. Was sowed 6 weeks on sat. Needs grazing

My autumn reseed didn't get a pre emergence spray, had loads of seedling docks sprayed it in the spring with d****san and got a 99.9% kill

Greengrass1

td5man wrote: »

My autumn reseed didn't get a pre emergence spray, had loads of seedling docks sprayed it in the spring with d****san and got a 99.9% kill

Clover gone I take it? What was the spray?
We did one last summer that we didn't spray because of drought and its full off thistles only got them sprayed two weeks ago

td5man

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Clover gone I take it? What was the spray?
We did one last summer that we didn't spray because of drought and its full off thistles only got them sprayed two weeks ago

Clover didn't grow for some reason and the grass did very well.

Charliebull

Db plus is a good spray for docks in a reseed,

That weed is redshank

Greengrass1

Charliebull wrote: »

Db plus is a good spray for docks in a reseed,

That weed is redshank

Is that its full name?

case885

Hows it some sprays are restricted from reseeds in the first year? Does it really matter?

Charliebull

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Is that its full name?

Yea but good for docks only,

Have you any chickweed

Greengrass1

Charliebull wrote: »

Yea but good for docks only,

Have you any chickweed

May have a look. Bit of creeping butter cup in it

Farmer Pudsey

Greengrass1 wrote: »

How long after sowing will post emergence work?

See below

willfarmerman wrote: »

When do you spray with post emergence spray as a rule? Would I get away without it if I'm grazing with sheep?

It is not how long it is when, you need grass at 3 leaf stage usually no issue and clover at one true leaf stage. However it only if weeds leaves are no bigger than a 2 euro coin or there abouts. When weeds go beyond the seedling stage clover friendly sprays are useless.

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Clover gone I take it? What was the spray?
We did one last summer that we didn't spray because of drought and its full off thistles only got them sprayed two weeks ago

Thistles are no bother even with clover, let cattle eat grass in early/mid May when you take them out spray with MCPA within 48 hours. If weather not good enough top and try again 3-4 weeks later. As clover is eaten down it will survive spray.

Greengrass1

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

See below



It is not how long it is when, you need grass at 3 leaf stage usually no issue and clover at one true leaf stage. However it only if weeds leaves are no bigger than a 2 euro coin or there abouts. When weeds go beyond the seedling stage clover friendly sprays are useless.




Thistles are no bother even with clover, let cattle eat grass in early/mid May when you take them out spray with MCPA within 48 hours. If weather not good enough top and try again 3-4 weeks later. As clover is eaten down it will survive spray.

I was thinking of doing that but I did that on another reseed and the docks came back.
There is some very big docks in it and very small ones then

Zr105

case885 wrote: »

Hows it some sprays are restricted from reseeds in the first year? Does it really matter?

Because the powers that be have decided so! It will matter if you have an inspection and you've used a chemical in a manner in which is not recommended.


On a side note pastor and i think doxstar are no longer cleared for reseeds, pity pastor was expensive but a serious spray to clear up everything that could appear in a reseed

Greengrass1

Zr105 wrote: »

Because the powers that be have decided so! It will matter if you have an inspection and you've used a chemical in a manner in which is not recommended.


On a side note pastor and i think doxstar are no longer cleared for reseeds, pity pastor was expensive but a serious spray to clear up everything that could appear in a reseed

Never knew they were. Don't see what difference it makes to a reseed

razor8

Told this evening at stap meeting that you need to do a course on chemicals if buying or if you own a sprayer, the joys!!

Greengrass1

Going to spray it all tomorrow.
Half rate hurler will kill all the weeds.
Not really reckmoended but irmt works.
90e for 16 acres

bogman_bass

doing 4 acres that was baled for silage yesterday this evening with moore unidrill. We'll see how it goes

moy83

bogman_bass wrote: »

doing 4 acres that was baled for silage yesterday this evening with moore unidrill. We'll see how it goes

Good stuff , hope it takes well for you . Did you have it sprayed before cutting and what kinda fertilizer and slurry are you going for ?

bogman_bass

no. I didn't spray. supplementing rather than replacing the sward. Will do a post emergence spray. Will just put some P and K out untill it takes so the existing sward doesn't shadow it out. will keep it grazed too.

Look, it's a risk but we'll see if it works

visatorro

bogman_bass wrote: »

no. I didn't spray. supplementing rather than replacing the sward. Will do a post emergence spray. Will just put some P and K out untill it takes so the existing sward doesn't shadow it out. will keep it grazed too.

Look, it's a risk but we'll see if it works

How often will you graze it? What is the quality / type of grass that's on it already? Local contractor here is after buying a machine with discs that make a track, seed is then dropped in the track and rolled then. Thirty euro an acre plus seed. Am thinking of going over a few paddocks with it

Greengrass1

visatorro wrote: »

How often will you graze it? What is the quality / type of grass that's on it already? Local contractor here is after buying a machine with discs that make a track, seed is then dropped in the track and rolled then. Thirty euro an acre plus seed. Am thinking of going over a few paddocks with it

If your going to do the same as BB ud recommend giving the old sward a light rate of roundup just to slow it down 2 weeks so new grass gets a chance

visatorro

The oldest grass in the paddocks is fifteen years old.I was gonna go over a couple of the lower yielding one's

Greengrass1

visatorro wrote: »

The oldest grass in the paddocks is fifteen years old.I was gonna go over a couple of the lower yielding one's

Also if ye have some old docks in it or thistles put in grazon at full rate. You won't need post emergence then

moy83

Greengrass1 wrote: »

If your going to do the same as BB ud recommend giving the old sward a light rate of roundup just to slow it down 2 weeks so new grass gets a chance

Good plan GG

Greengrass1

moy83 wrote: »

Good plan GG

Never seen it done now but go with a 1/4 rate or something like that

visatorro

When I'm spraying silage ground I go with duplasin and quarter grazon. I find it works well.

Farmer Pudsey

visatorro wrote: »

When I'm spraying silage ground I go with duplasin and quarter grazon. I find it works well.

Duplosan is not approved for grassland any longer.

Greengrass1

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Duplosan is not approved for grassland any longer.

Id say if you went into every grassland farmer in Ireland he has a can if it

bogman_bass

visatorro wrote: »

How often will you graze it? What is the quality / type of grass that's on it already? Local contractor here is after buying a machine with discs that make a track, seed is then dropped in the track and rolled then. Thirty euro an acre plus seed. Am thinking of going over a few paddocks with it

thats what my lad was using. e25 he charged me.

I dont know if I would go with GG's idea. Either burn it off or dont but half will get you nowhere.

I don't think its the system to use for a full reseed

The field I did has grass that older than me (probably a lot older) still was able to give me 14 bales to the acre with only 1 1/2 bags of 18-6-12 and 2 bags of 10-10-20

Would like more growth at the shoulders though hence the stiching in.
If i was to do it again I would have gone in with something like forefront before cutting and hit the weeds. have to go post emergence now

mauser77

What's the best spray for a reseed have redshank just comin want to nip everything else that might be their too

bogman_bass

Seeder

simx

First grazing of the new grass, great weather for it