NBA Offseason 2014

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SI reporting Pacers are "quietly" looking to trade Hibbert away

padraig_f

Paully D wrote: »

On another note, Woj's latest follow on Twitter is Carmelo Anthony. That would lead me to believe that Anthony will announce his decision soon via Twitter.

My guess is we hear something tomorrow. Not gonna do it at the weekend because probably wants to inform the teams he turned down privately before announcing it publicly, and people may not be in the office at the weekend.

padraig_f

malistheman wrote: »

I'm starting to think LeBron is gone. He'd of resigned by now if he was staying. I'm surprised that Phoenix is being talked about as a landing spot for him. It would be an amazing roster but the guy won't go to the west.

Certainly looks less of a sure thing than it did, but they could be just trying to get the free-agent signings done first before resigning themselves, so they know how much space they need to make.

NufcNavan

Dare_2_defy wrote: »

SI reporting Pacers are "quietly" looking to trade Hibbert away

I really, really, doubt this is us calling teams with a "hey, want Hibbert?". Probably more like his name coming up as part of packages for All Star type guys, like the Dragic rumour, and us saying "yeah we can talk about including him."

NufcNavan

And I'd say Lebron and Melo will decide by Thursday. Friday will be a CRAZY day.

D2D

Fox Sports: #Clippers and free-agent guard Jordan Farmar agree to a deal, likely 2 years, $4.2 million.

Woj: Free agent Boris Diaw has reached agreement on three-year, $22M deal to return to Spurs, sources tell Yahoo. Partial guarantee on 3rd year.

buyer95

Melo will announce his decision tonight or tomorrow morning/afternoon. Multiple reports claiming it is between The Lakers and New York.

Paully D

buyer95 wrote: »

Melo will announce his decision tonight or tomorrow morning/afternoon. Multiple reports claiming it is between The Lakers and New York.

I said from day one (despite getting my hopes up for a bit like an idiot) that he'd stick with New York. If he's not pushed about winning now, which he's clearly not if those are the two teams he's down to, why leave the extra Knicks money on the table?

The Lakers with Kobe and Melo would be extremely interesting to watch though. In the last four seasons, Kobe ranks #1 in the league in field goals attempt per game and % of iso plays. Who ranks #2 in both categories? Yep, Melo.

Dublin Red Devil

If the options for melo are NY or LA, Then he might aswell stay in NY. Neither team will be a contender next season. So stay in NY, get the extra money and maybe with Phill they can build on something.

I wouldn't mind a Hibbert trade as long as we got a top PG. Hopefully Rondo, if not Dragic.

Nuri Sahin

I was actually looking for the Knicks without Melo. He'll stay with the Knicks, IMO.

Indiana need some Perkins.

Paully D

It was before I really got into the sport and I never knew about it until now, but I just saw this story on Reddit re: Boozer:



I wasn't much of a fan of his anyway purely for basketball reasons, but I've lost any respect I had for him after reading that.

What was the reaction around the league like to that stunt at the time? In addition, if he had stayed and kept posting those type of numbers alongside a 2007 LeBron have gotten it done? It's worth nothing that when LeBron was really starting to push on circa 2007, Boozer was posting 21 and 10 a night numbers.

I remember watching a documentary about the 2008 Olympic team (I think it was 2008) and LeBron was speaking about not winning a Championship yet. He listed off the players he'd be playing with in the Olympics and said there's no excuse for him not winning now. "If I had Melo on my team I'd have won a ring by now, if I had Kobe on my team I'd have won a ring by now, if I had Boozer on my team I'd have won a ring by now" was the jist of what he said. I always remembered it and thinking it was a weird thing to say (purely because I only really know the Boozer of the last few years) but it took on new meaning after what I read today. Interesting.

NufcNavan

i said day one and i still think his best bet is the cavs. the prodigal son returning home story would be huge for him. all his detractors in cleveland would instantly disappear and i could see people twisting the story to say he left so cleveland could suck for a few years and build up a roster to help him.

additionally he would have a good team around him there now compared in particular to miami.

Paully D

NufcNavan wrote: »

Broussard knows as much as we do on here.

I just can't see LeBron leaving. There's no way Wade would have opted out of his massive payday if LeBron wasn't coming back and given how good friends they are you would have to suspect that they have discussed it openly and honestly and LeBron won't effectively sell him out, despite the fact he owes him nothing of course.

It's all just smoke to push the Heat into action and quickly.

NufcNavan

Paully D wrote: »

Broussard knows as much as we do on here.

I just can't see LeBron leaving. There's no way Wade would have opted out of his massive payday if LeBron wasn't coming back and given how good friends they are you would have to suspect that they have discussed it openly and honestly and LeBron won't effectively sell him out, despite the fact he owes him nothing of course.

It's all just smoke to push the Heat into action and quickly.

I think Lebron's best chances of winning a championship still lie in Miami.

Even with an aging Wade and a terrible Bosh, the Heat will still be a free agent haven without Lebron. They will be able to rebuild.

NufcNavan

Brian Windhorst ✔ @WindhorstESPN
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For 4 years, Dan Gilbert's letter after LeBron's decision has been on team website. It appears it was removed today: http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/gilbert_letter_100708.html …
3:07 PM - 7 Jul 2014

Paully D

Paully D wrote: »

Broussard knows as much as we do on here.

I just can't see LeBron leaving. There's no way Wade would have opted out of his massive payday if LeBron wasn't coming back and given how good friends they are you would have to suspect that they have discussed it openly and honestly and LeBron won't effectively sell him out, despite the fact he owes him nothing of course.

It's all just smoke to push the Heat into action and quickly.

but even if the 3 guys resign for less they likely won't have all that much left to add pieces. wade could simply be willing to resign for relative pennys so that the heat can get a few other guys in so that he's in a position to compete for ring no. 4 everyone talks about lebron having to get 5-6 rings but i have no doubt wade feels he should be up there as well.

NufcNavan wrote: »

I think Lebron's best chances of winning a championship still lie in Miami.

Even with an aging Wade and a terrible Bosh, the Heat will still be a free agent haven without Lebron. They will be able to rebuild.

even if the other two resign for cheaper i still don't see them having all that much cap room to play with and while they should still get to the finals due to the east being terrible (barring melo to the bulls but thats looking unlikely now) there are a few teams that could beat them (or would at the very least push them to 7 games) in the west.

add to that that wades body is only getting worse year by year and also they will likely be forced to play him heavy minutes during the regular season as they will likely lean on him just to make the playoffs again and i don't think if he stays it will be for basketball reasons.

buyer95

Well well. The Houston Rockets have offered Chrish Bosh a 4 year max contract, worth $96 million! I cannot see him turning this down, it's not Philly or someother crappy team, this is Houston. Wow

Paully D

buyer95 wrote: »

Well well. The Houston Rockets have offered Chrish Bosh a 4 year max contract, worth $96 million! I cannot see him turning this down, it's not Philly or someother crappy team, this is Houston. Wow

Chicago should be all over Parsons then if that's the case. He'd be a decent consolation prize for missing out on Melo. the Rockets couldn't afford to match a Parsons offer with Bosh on a max, Howard and Harden.

buyer95

In other news, remember that pretentious letter Dan Gilbert wrote to LeBron after he jumped ship? Well it was removed from the Cavs website today, after being there for 4 years.

Nuri Sahin

ESPN has learned that McRoberts will receive Heat's full midlevel for the next four years ($23 million) with a player option after Year 3.

buyer95

buyer95 wrote: »

Well well. The Houston Rockets have offered Chrish Bosh a 4 year max contract, worth $96 million! I cannot see him turning this down, it's not Philly or someother crappy team, this is Houston. Wow

not sure if thats a good move from houston unless they've been told no by melo and pau

Paully D

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

ESPN has learned that McRoberts will receive Heat's full midlevel for the next four years ($23 million) with a player option after Year 3.

Also referred to as desperation. Eerily similar to the sort of move the Cavs would have made pre-The Decision.

ButtersSuki

Some crazy contracts going around all right but it all means nothing until LeJon and Melo sign.....then the craziness will really kick off.

Paully D

The Heat have signed Danny Granger now too. Their plan is kicking off now, whatever it is.

NufcNavan

Happy for Danny. A real pro.


And McBob got paid! Fairplay to him.

buyer95

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

ESPN has learned that McRoberts will receive Heat's full midlevel for the next four years ($23 million) with a player option after Year 3

Granger signing too. Someone said above he is a real pro. That may be true, but he is done as a player, couldn't crack the Clippers rotation after playing terrible in Indiana earlier in the season. How could LeBron leave now?:pac:

NufcNavan

buyer95 wrote: »

Granger signing too. Someone said above he is a real pro. That may be true, but he is done as a player, couldn't crack the Clippers rotation after playing terrible in Indiana earlier in the season. How could LeBron leave now?:pac:

As much as I like Granger, he can't be an every day player on a contending team. In LA he didn't play every playoff game and hardly even played when he did, he just isn't good enough to cut it. Danny can be a spot minutes guy and play from time to time, but he just can't be an every game guy and expect good results with it.

He's definitely lost a step for sure. And for a guy that wasn't quick already, that's detrimental. He will be at best a role player for the Heat, and tbh the McBob and Granger signings make me think Lebron isn't staying there.

why is league pass showing up for only 17.99 whats the catch

padraig_f

Report: No decision yet as Carmelo Anthony torn between Knicks, Lakers, Bulls. Yes, Bulls.

While I want Melo to join the Bulls, when you look at the numbers there, I'm not sure I can be too judgmental if he chooses to stay with the Knicks.

Knicks offering $129m/5years vs. the Bulls' $75m/4-years....$54m is just a hell of a lot of money to leave on the table.

Then there's no guarantee of success with the Bulls, even if it is more likely.

Cali Angry Roller-skate

Cali Angry Roller-skate wrote: »

why is league pass showing up for only 17.99 whats the catch

If you look at whats listed in the offer there is still a couple of 'events' to go so I would say that price is for the Summer league, USA world championship games and some preseason. That would be my guess..

Regular Season
2014 All-Star
2014 Playoffs
2014 NBA Finals
2012-2013 Season
Most Preseason
2014 Summer League
2014 USA Basketball

GoldFour4

Cali Angry Roller-skate wrote: »

why is league pass showing up for only 17.99 whats the catch

It's only for the remainder of the 2013-14 season i'd imagine. That would be over in a few weeks time!

Nearly caught me with that

NufcNavan

Cali Angry Roller-skate wrote: »

Nearly caught me with that

Did the ad say something like:

LAS VEGAS!!!!summer league for 17:99.

Paully D

:pac:

padraig_f wrote: »

Report: No decision yet as Carmelo Anthony torn between Knicks, Lakers, Bulls. Yes, Bulls.

While I want Melo to join the Bulls, when you look at the numbers there, I'm not sure I can be too judgmental if he chooses to stay with the Knicks.

Knicks offering $129m/5years vs. the Bulls' $75m/4-years....$54m is just a hell of a lot of money to leave on the table.

Then there's no guarantee of success with the Bulls, even if it is more likely.

I agree.

When you look at it objectively and take the emotion if being a fan out of it, there's no way I could criticise him for taking that much money. LeBron will stay in the East even if he does leave Miami and he's a hell of an obstacle to get past. We also don't know how Rose is going to hold up unfortunately.

I just wish a player would come out say "yeah, look the money was much much better and my family are happy here too" instead of trying to twist the decision in to being something is it not about - winning.

NufcNavan

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 2m

Channing Frye has agreed to a four-year, $32 million deal with the Magic, source tells Yahoo Sports.


Is it just me or is that insane money for a stretch 4.

Stephen a. Is saying if bosh goes to Houston melo could go to Miami with lebron

buyer95

NufcNavan wrote: »

As much as I like Granger, he can't be an every day player on a contending team. In LA he didn't play every playoff game and hardly even played when he did, he just isn't good enough to cut it. Danny can be a spot minutes guy and play from time to time, but he just can't be an every game guy and expect good results with it.

He's definitely lost a step for sure. And for a guy that wasn't quick already, that's detrimental. He will be at best a role player for the Heat, and tbh the McBob and Granger signings make me think Lebron isn't staying there.

Haha, when I said " How could Lebron leave now?:pac:" it was meant to be extremely sarcastic. I think you may have misunderstood my sentiment!

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Z Bo exercises player option for 2014/15 and signs multi-year contract extension with the Grizz

NufcNavan

buyer95 wrote: »

Haha, when I said " How could Lebron leave now?:pac:" it was meant to be extremely sarcastic. I think you may have misunderstood my sentiment!

I know that, more of a general analysis than a direct reply to your comment.

buyer95

Does Paddy know something we do not? They have The Cavs 4th favourites for the title next season. But seriously, yeah they probably havn't a clue!

In other news, Dallas have resigned themselves to losing out on Melo and are now focusing their efforts on acquiring Parsons.

Nuri Sahin

buyer95 wrote: »

Does Paddy know something we do not? They have The Cavs 4th favourites for the title next season. But seriously, yeah they probably havn't a clue!

In other news, Dallas have resigned themselves to losing out on Melo and are now focusing their efforts on acquiring Parsons.

Paddypower and any sensible book are simply taking measures against any chance LeBron returns to Cleveland in which case if it does indeed happen, they'll instantly become first or at worst, second favourites for the Championship.

Last chance saloon for any value to take Cleveland if people do believe LeBron is heading back there.

padraig_f

buyer95 wrote: »

Does Paddy know something we do not? They have The Cavs 4th favourites for the title next season. But seriously, yeah they probably havn't a clue!

In other news, Dallas have resigned themselves to losing out on Melo and are now focusing their efforts on acquiring Parsons.

No, it's just an easy thing for them to do, to drop odds on a team that's getting a bit of media buzz. So any sucker coming in can take the Cavs at bad odds.

A real statement would be if they lengthened the Miami odds, but the Heat are still 3/1 favourites.

padraig_f

padraig_f wrote: »

No, it's just an easy thing for them to do, to drop odds on a team that's getting a bit of media buzz. So any sucker coming in can take the Cavs at bad odds.

A real statement would be if they lengthened the Miami odds, but the Heat are still 3/1 favourites.

Not really both teams have about a 45% chance of landing him in my opinion whoever lands him is instant favourite in the east so there right to have both at short odds

padraig_f

Cali Angry Roller-skate wrote: »

Not really both teams have about a 45% chance of landing him in my opinion whoever lands him is instant favourite in the east so there right to have both at short odds

Did the Heat's odds lengthen at all? I dont know exactly what they were at the end of the season, but it was pretty close to 3/1.


edit:
here they are:
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24590996/heat-remain-odds-on-favorites-to-win-2015-title-after-finals-loss

Heat's odds between 3/1 and 7/2 after the Finals, so barely changed. All they've done on the recent news is given a much worse price on the Cavs.

buyer95

Just read an article there which inferred that the reason Melo is stalling on making his decision is that he is hoping that Bosh signs with Houston. Melo would then join his close friend LeBron in Miami, pleasing no one on this forum... I would hate to see him leave New York, but if it came to that I would choose Chicago every day ahead of Miami. I couldn't stomach seeing him in a Heat jersey

Paully D

buyer95 wrote: »

Just read an article there which inferred that the reason Melo is stalling on making his decision is that he is hoping that Bosh signs with Houston. Melo would then join his close friend LeBron in Miami, pleasing no one on this forum... I would hate to see him leave New York, but if it came to that I would choose Chicago every day ahead of Miami. I couldn't stomach seeing him in a Heat jersey

ESPN (Marc Stein and not Chris Broussard, so reliable) is reporting that the Knicks are now very uneasy as they expected a verbal commitment from Carmelo yesterday.

It would be a disaster if he ended up in Miami. I'm hoping Bosh's love of Miami and playing with LeBron (still extremely likely he stays for me) will swing his decision to stay.

padraig_f

padraig_f wrote: »

Did the Heat's odds lengthen at all? I dont know exactly what they were at the end of the season, but it was pretty close to 3/1.


edit:
here they are:
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24590996/heat-remain-odds-on-favorites-to-win-2015-title-after-finals-loss

Heat's odds between 3/1 and 7/2 after the Finals, so barely changed. All they've done on the recent news is given a much worse price on the Cavs.

if he leaves miami they will raise the odds they have no reason to until he has decided whereas they absolutely have a reason to lower the cavs price

buyer95 wrote: »

Just read an article there which inferred that the reason Melo is stalling on making his decision is that he is hoping that Bosh signs with Houston. Melo would then join his close friend LeBron in Miami, pleasing no one on this forum... I would hate to see him leave New York, but if it came to that I would choose Chicago every day ahead of Miami. I couldn't stomach seeing him in a Heat jersey

id hate that less because of the lebron hat most people have more because if that team falls apart this offseason i get to see just how loyal all those miami fans that came out of the woodwork are. also i dislike seeing wishy washy fans like the heat fans supporting successful teams.

should they get together what would the heat do about a big man?

bosh my not be a big physical post guy but he was the closest they have. it would still be terrifying with all that scoring but i have no idea how they would stop a marc gasol for example

NufcNavan

Why hasn't anyone jumped on giving Parsons an offer? Houston would only have 3 days to match and obviously they're in a holding pattern with Bosh, you could tie their hands. Am I missing something?

Paully D

4 years to the day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHSLw8DLm20