Importing Doberman pup

Ian2me

Hi all , I have interested in importing a dobie. They seem to be much better breed in europe, for quite some time but can not find any breeder or anyone to do this for me ,

just wondering does anyone have any experience doing this and an info as what i must do. Any help would be appreciated , ....

mymo

I assume you'd need to get a pet passport in the country of origin, after that you could just drive over and bring the dog back.
Hopefully someone who has done this can comment further.
Details of the pet passport scheme are available online.

Joeseph Balls

mymo wrote: »

I assume you'd need to get a pet passport in the country of origin, after that you could just drive over and bring the dog back.
Hopefully someone who has done this can comment further.
Details of the pet passport scheme are available online.

Hardly. Wouldn't it need be quarenteened etc once further than UK

andreac

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

Hardly. Wouldn't it need be quarenteened etc once further than UK

Actually they are right. There's no quarantine anymore once they have their pet passport done.

Joeseph Balls

andreac wrote: »

Actually they are right. There's no quarantine anymore once they have their pet passport done.

Is there procedures done for the pasport then? When OH brought her dog over to Ireland, she was in quarentine for ages (the dog, not the OH). Came from a country that has rabies though. Thats a few year ago now though.

andreac

Yeah it's all changed now. Pet passport means getting the rabies vacc at least 21days in advance of travel.

Ian2me

I understand the pet passport, kinda wondering is there other travel methods other then driving as its not that practical driving that distance . Was looking at this breeder

http://www.dicamo-dogs.com/puppies_dobermann.htm

If anyone has any experience , i would be great-full for any info.

andreac

Can I ask why exactly you want to import one? Have you had a dobe before? There are some reputable breeders in Ireland with some good lines.

Ian2me

The quality of the breed seem to be much better in Europe with some good blood lines. but if i can find a breeder in ireland that has quality healthy pups. I would also be interested.

I grew up with a doberman many years ago (my fathers) but never owned one my self.

andreac

Try ruholfia dobermanns. They are based in Kerry and she has some lovely dogs and lines from Europe too. Triona does very well at the shows too and all over Europe as well.

Tuwos dobermanns up north too is another one you could try.

zef

Beautiful dogs. Had a retired security dobe for 2 years but then he was stolen. Would have one again in a heartbeat if i thought the cats wouldn't mind.
I've seen some rescue dobes online recently.i understand rescue does not suit everyone- no judgement!
Why go outside Ireland though? Maybe this org could help you... http://www.ikc.ie/dobermann-club-ireland

borderlinemeath

The breeder in that link states that the pups will be "cropped" ie ear cropped, which IMO is a barbaric procedure - it is of absolutely no benefit to the dog whatsoever, in fact it is detrimental to communicating with other dogs, as dogs use their ears, tail etc. It's a painful procedure and the dog has to wear splints on their ears for weeks afterwards to ensure they stay erect. It's illegal to carry out the procedure here but obviously not in Serbia, based on this alone I'd run a mile. Sorry .

Edit: Just found a pic in the gallery of one of his bitches wearing her splints as a pup, scroll down to the bottom.

http://www.dicamo-dogs.com/dobermann/zenke_primadona_gallery.htm

ABajaninCork

Oooh! I LOVE Dobies!! Had a couple when younger and my father had one too. I'd get another tomorrow if I had the chance...

A decent breeder will want to check YOU over to make sure the dog is going to a good home with the right environment. When we got the first Dobie (in the 80's), the breeder actually came out to my then BF's home to check it over before she would sell the pup. And if the breeder's decent, then there'll be a queue for puppies, and you'll have to wait.

I would go home to the UK to get the dog though. They won't dock the tails (illegal) and certainly won't crop the ears (also illegal). Nothing like a proper Dobie with lovely floppy ears and a beautiful curly tail.

ABajaninCork

zef wrote: »

Beautiful dogs. Had a retired security dobe for 2 years but then he was stolen. Would have one again in a heartbeat if i thought the cats wouldn't mind.
I've seen some rescue dobes online recently.i understand rescue does not suit everyone- no judgement!
Why go outside Ireland though? Maybe this org could help you... http://www.ikc.ie/dobermann-club-ireland

This bit made me laugh. When we had the Dobies, his mother had two cats, and I had two cats. Believe me - they ruled the dogs with a rod of iron!!

With my cat and my Dobie. Both of them were fed at the same time. The cat used to stroll over to the dog's dish and eat from it. My idiot dog would sit there gazing fondly at the cat until he'd finished. He would then eat. But there was hell to pay if the dog even LOOKED at the cat's bowl!

John_Rambo

borderlinemeath wrote: »

The breeder in that link states that the pups will be "cropped" ie ear

Saw a young Doberman on a beach in Dublin with cropped ears last week.

DBB

John_Rambo wrote: »

Saw a young Doberman on a beach in Dublin with cropped ears last week.

Probably purchased from a country where the practice is legal. It's an illegal procedure here, vets are forbidden from doing it under any circumstances.
There are quite a few people here purchasing pups in the European mainland, and importing them back to Ireland.

borderlinemeath

John_Rambo wrote: »

Saw a young Doberman on a beach in Dublin with cropped ears last week.

There's ever decreasing countries in Europe that still crop, Serbia, Bosnia, Hungary are the nearest to us, although there's confusion over Italys regulations and Spain seems to allow it in certain regions only. It's been outlawed in a lot of European countries, with bans on showing dogs cropped after a certain date so hopefully the trend will continue.

But, it's horribly commonplace in the US with certain breeds, dobies, boxers, great danes, pit bulls, even though the AMVA are opposed to it, their statement reads:

The AVMA opposes ear cropping and tail docking of dogs when performed for cosmetic reasons and calls on breed organizations to remove mention of the procedures from their standards.

The Association's Executive Board approved the revised AVMA Policy on Ear Cropping and Tail Docking of Dogs, Nov. 14. The statement reads:

EAR CROPPING AND TAIL DOCKING OF DOGS
The AVMA opposes ear cropping and tail docking of dogs when done solely for cosmetic purposes. The AVMA encourages the elimination of ear cropping and tail docking from breed standards.

The former policy, approved by the AVMA House of Delegates in 1999, pointed out that cosmetic ear cropping and tail docking afford no benefits for animal patients, and advised veterinarians that they should warn clients about related, inherent risks of anesthesia, blood loss, and infection.

The AVMA Animal Welfare Committee recommended the revised policy, which makes the policy of the Association consistent with those of the American Animal Hospital Association and the Canadian VMA.

The committee explained to the Executive Board in the recommendation's background that there is little scientific evidence that the cosmetic procedures of ear cropping and tail docking convey benefits for dogs.

But it seems that while there's a few States that have written acts to try and make ear cropping illegal, it's not getting through to breeders and in particular, show dog breeders. It seems that AKC judges favour cropped dogs over their floppy eared counterparts, so until that changes then it'll continue over there. I'm on a few dog facebook pages with US members and I cringe when I see some of the pics of their dogs. . I just don't understand why anybody would mutilate their dog because of "tradition".

Graces7

borderlinemeath wrote: »

There's ever decreasing countries in Europe that still crop, Serbia, Bosnia, Hungary are the nearest to us, although there's confusion over Italys regulations and Spain seems to allow it in certain regions only. It's been outlawed in a lot of European countries, with bans on showing dogs cropped after a certain date so hopefully the trend will continue.

But, it's horribly commonplace in the US with certain breeds, dobies, boxers, great danes, pit bulls, even though the AMVA are opposed to it, their statement reads:



But it seems that while there's a few States that have written acts to try and make ear cropping illegal, it's not getting through to breeders and in particular, show dog breeders. It seems that AKC judges favour cropped dogs over their floppy eared counterparts, so until that changes then it'll continue over there. I'm on a few dog facebook pages with US members and I cringe when I see some of the pics of their dogs. . I just don't understand why anybody would mutilate their dog because of "tradition".

same with declawing cats. often standard in the us

nala2012

borderlinemeath wrote: »

The breeder in that link states that the pups will be "cropped" ie ear cropped, which IMO is a barbaric procedure - it is of absolutely no benefit to the dog whatsoever, in fact it is detrimental to communicating with other dogs, as dogs use their ears, tail etc. It's a painful procedure and the dog has to wear splints on their ears for weeks afterwards to ensure they stay erect. It's illegal to carry out the procedure here but obviously not in Serbia, based on this alone I'd run a mile. Sorry .


Edit: Just found a pic in the gallery of one of his bitches wearing her splints as a pup, scroll down to the bottom.

http://www.dicamo-dogs.com/dobermann/zenke_primadona_gallery.htm

Their tails are docked so short My neighbour has two who have full tails. They look so much better.

Magenta

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

Hardly. Wouldn't it need be quarenteened etc once further than UK

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

Is there procedures done for the pasport then? When OH brought her dog over to Ireland, she was in quarentine for ages (the dog, not the OH). Came from a country that has rabies though. Thats a few year ago now though.

Mods Is it possible that there can be a sticky about bringing an animal into Ireland?
Every time there's a thread about it (which is very often) there's always someone who posts outdated information about quarantine etc. It's the same questions and same answers over and over.
All of the correct information is available online anyway, if people would only Google it.

Joeseph Balls

Magenta wrote: »

Mods Is it possible that there can be a sticky about bringing an animal into Ireland?
Every time there's a thread aboiut it (which is very often) there's always someone who posts outdated information about quarantine etc. It's the same questions and same answers over and over.
All of the correct information is available online anyway, if people would only Google it.

I asked a question.
Its a forum. Most of the questions here could be googled but it would be a fairly quiet place around here.

DBB

Joseph balls, please refrain from back-seat moderating. If you have an issue with another post, please report it as per the forum charter.
Do not reply to this post on-thread.
Thanks,
DBB

Ian2me

So no body has first hand experance dealing with european kennels ?, does anyone know what WORKING bloodlines i should look for from a breeder.

Seems like over the last 10 years working bloodlines have been replaced with show dog bloodlines.

borderlinemeath

I know you would prefer a pup but there's always dobies in rescue. There was one last month on the rehoming thread here, there could be some good bloodlines in a rescue dog too

www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055626371&page=110

tk123

Cropping and docking aside what happens to socialisation if the pup needs a rabies shot 21 days before travelling? Surely by the time the pup can come back to Ireland the socialisation will be pretty much closed?

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2013/04/29/early-rabies-vaccination.aspx

are you serious

Ian2me wrote: »

I understand the pet passport, kinda wondering is there other travel methods other then driving as its not that practical driving that distance . Was looking at this breeder

http://www.dicamo-dogs.com/puppies_dobermann.htm

If anyone has any experience , i would be great-full for any info.

How's it going, my bother has a male dog from this kennel. Also the dogs brother also is in cork afaik.

That breeder in particular is very good as in he knows exactly the full procedures himself and walks you through the processes involved. He stays in touch regularly too which for me would be a must.

Ian2me

are you serious wrote: »

How's it going, my bother has a male dog from this kennel. Also the dogs brother also is in cork afaik.

That breeder in particular is very good as in he knows exactly the full procedures himself and walks you through the processes involved. He stays in touch regularly too which for me would be a must.

Thanks for writing .. I am going through the process at the moment with this breeder. I am glad to here for someone with experience dealing with him . Before i pay a deposit. Was ur brother happy with everything and did eveything go to plan

ABajaninCork

Oh please don't let the breeder crop!

Have your tried the Doberman Club in GB? Hang about - I'll try to find a link.

are you serious

Ian2me wrote: »

Thanks for writing .. I am going through the process at the moment with this breeder. I am glad to here for someone with experience dealing with him . Before i pay a deposit. Was ur brother happy with everything and did eveything go to plan

Everything went perfectly fine with him. I'll rob a photo from his fb page now and post it for you.
I didn't read full the whole thread so am unsure if your going for cropped ears but my brothers dog is cropped.

I know looking after the ears and the upkeep of cleaning them was slightly more work than was expected to start but the time paid off and he is a great dog.

are you serious

Here he is. I think he's about 14mths now but in that photo he was about 11mths

ABajaninCork

Here's the details of an Assured KC Dobermann Breeder in the UK. County Antrim to be precise.

Hope this helps!