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Punching a woman - Justified or not? - MOD WARNING FIRST POST

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    #542
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    riveratom wrote: »
    What a piece of work - you punched a woman? It would be bad doing that even if she had hit you instead of your friend.
    But women throwing a punch is fine and all. No sexism here :rolleyes:


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    #543
    GenieOz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 892 ✭✭✭GenieOz


    riveratom wrote: »
    What a piece of work - you punched a woman? It would be bad doing that even if she had hit you instead of your friend.

    Such a stupid outdated point of view.


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    #544
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Defending yourself and punching someone are two different things.

    No they are not and the law agrees.


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    #545
    SeanJ09
    Registered Users Posts: 446 ✭✭SeanJ09


    Jesus, surely maybe holding her back rather than actually punching her would have sufficed? Even if it was a man, this would have been the correct approach.
    Interested to know, what was the reaction of the crowd around you? Were they expectedly horrified that you punched a woman?


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    #546
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    No they are not and the law agrees.
    Yes they are. Defend yourself without hitting someone, no need for law to get involved.:)


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    #547
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    There's a lot a internet hardmen on this thread.


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    #548
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Yes they are. Defend yourself without hitting someone, no need for law to get involved.:)

    Not always possible, which is why the exemption in law exists.


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    #549
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Girl assults me.

    I hit girl back in self defence.

    You think it's scummy to defend myself.

    You decide to.assault me.


    Kinda makes you a bigger scumbag imo. And fyi not everyone would stand there and take your **** as well.

    I am a bigger "scumbag", probably by about a foot. And you know as well as I do old son, there's no need to hit a girl, ever. Just isn't a reason to, full stop. I held dozens of girls wrists as they tried going off on one on other "patrons" - doing the job you did so you know the score. Never felt the need to hit one, ever.

    Don't hugely feel the need to hit most lads either, I'd probably just hold their wrists/pinkies too, unless they appeared to need a gentle tap with a fire-extinguisher to settle them.


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    #550
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Barely There wrote: »
    There's a lot a internet hardmen on this thread.

    There are a lot of sexist women in this thread also.


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    #551
    Robson Lobson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭Robson Lobson


    More than likely anyone who wouldn't ever consider hitting a woman in self defense is a brainwashed little sheep. Wake up and use your own two eyes to assess the situation and not the emotional propoganda in your head.


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    #552
    gillmelly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭gillmelly


    self defence only


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    #553
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Stavros Murphy wrote: »
    I am a bigger "scumbag", probably by about a foot. And you know as well as I do old son, there's no need to hit a girl, ever. Just isn't a reason to, full stop. I held dozens of girls wrists as they tried going off on one on other "patrons" - doing the job you did so you know the score. Never felt the need to hit one, ever.

    Don't hugely feel the need to hit most lads either, I'd probably just hold their wrists/pinkies too, unless they appeared to need a gentle tap with a fire-extinguisher to settle them.

    Aren't you a great lad, up there on your big muscly pedestal. Unprovoked assault is scumbag behaviour, what you are talking about is unprovoked assault and you would rightly get done for it. But your backwards world view will keep you warm and safe in court i am sure.


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    #554
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Stavros Murphy wrote: »
    I am a bigger "scumbag", probably by about a foot. And you know as well as I do old son, there's no need to hit a girl, ever. Just isn't a reason to, full stop. I held dozens of girls wrists as they tried going off on one on other "patrons" - doing the job you did so you know the score. Never felt the need to hit one, ever.

    Don't hugely feel the need to hit most lads either, I'd probably just hold their wrists/pinkies too, unless they appeared to need a gentle tap with a fire-extinguisher to settle them.

    You're a big tough guy who would just hold her hands till she calms down yet would have no issue caving someones head in with a fire extinguisher :rolleyes:


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    #555
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    bumper234 wrote: »
    You're a big tough guy who would just hold her hands till she calms down yet would have no issue caving someones head in with a fire extinguisher :rolleyes:

    I said gentle tap. Anyway, this will turn into a war of words. I don't hugely give a damn anyway, I'll stick to not hitting women, ye fire ahead and keep on proving how tough ye are, duffing up old-wans. ;)


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    #556
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Stavros Murphy wrote: »
    I said gentle tap. Anyway, this will turn into a war of words. I don't hugely give a damn anyway, I'll stick to not hitting women, ye fire ahead and keep on proving how tough ye are, duffing up old-wans. ;)

    Defending yourself is not about being tough. You just have a twisted view of chivalry and need a dose of cop on. Saying there is never a reason to hit a girl is just inane.


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    #557
    amkin25
    Closed Accounts Posts: 428 ✭✭amkin25


    Personally i'm not into hitting women myself but i wouldn't go mad critical on guys for doing it coz i know at times these days it's warranted.
    I doubt it was warranted in this case.


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    #558
    riveratom
    Registered Users Posts: 964 ✭✭✭riveratom


    Nimrod 7 wrote: »
    Care to explain why you think a man should never defend themself against an unprovoked attack from a woman?

    Emm yes because he wasn't under attack, his friend was attacked?!

    I think people are getting confused as to the definition of self-defence, which is pretty worrying in fairness!


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    #559
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    amkin25 wrote: »
    Personally i'm not into hitting women myself but i wouldn't go mad critical on guys for doing it coz i know at times these days it's warranted.
    I doubt it was warranted in this case.

    When is it warranted so? When they throw 4 punches, 12? Maybe its only warranted with knives involved, or umbrellas over 3 foot?


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    #560
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    riveratom wrote: »
    Emm yes because he wasn't under attack, his friend was attacked?!

    I think people are getting confused as to the definition of self-defence, which is pretty worrying in fairness!

    Defence of others for one and reasonable expectation of coming under direct assault for another. You can use either as a defense in this situation. I think people are losing sight of what occurred merely because of the sexes involved.


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    #561
    amkin25
    Closed Accounts Posts: 428 ✭✭amkin25


    When they start punching you i would say its warranted, if she can punch she can take a punch.


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    #562
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    amkin25 wrote: »
    When they start punching you i would say its warranted, if she can punch she can take a punch.

    Would you stand and watch someone punch the head off a family member but hold back until they hit you?


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    #563
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    beano345 wrote: »
    To be honest Stavros if a women assaulted me and I retaliated in self defense and a white knight like yourself stepped in I would go to town on some one like that I'd consider the pair of them "scangers" for re-educational purposes of course

    I'm more the black Knight type, but I'll leave ye at it. I have an enormous calming effect on people anyway, which is good - hugely reduces the need for rowdiness.


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    #564
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Stavros Murphy wrote: »
    I said gentle tap. Anyway, this will turn into a war of words. I don't hugely give a damn anyway, I'll stick to not hitting women, ye fire ahead and keep on proving how tough ye are, duffing up old-wans. ;)

    Surprisingly the only woman i ever hit was trying to carve her name into my face with a broken glass but lets not let the facts get in the way of your chest puffing exercise ;)


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    #565
    GenieOz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 892 ✭✭✭GenieOz


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Surprisingly the only woman i ever hit was trying to carve her name into my face with a broken glass but lets not let the facts get in the way of your chest puffing exercise ;)

    Sorry bumper, you're clearly a scumbag. You should have just held her wrists.

    /sarcasm


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    #566
    riveratom
    Registered Users Posts: 964 ✭✭✭riveratom


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Defence of others for one and reasonable expectation of coming under direct assault for another. You can use either as a defense in this situation. I think people are losing sight of what occurred merely because of the sexes involved.

    None of us were there but surely the first instinct would have been to either restrain the woman, or push her in the case that it was clear she was going to attack his friend again.


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    #567
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    GenieOz wrote: »
    Sorry bumper, you're clearly a scumbag. You should have just held her wrists.

    /sarcasm

    Well, Mr Sarcy, I happen to know Bumps is a pretty tough old boy, well able to take care of himself, without hitting the paying guests. The fact he hit her just means he fcuked up somwhere along the line, so hold the applause.


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    #568
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Stavros Murphy wrote: »
    Well, Mr Sarcy, I happen to know Bumps is a pretty tough old boy, well able to take care of himself, without hitting the paying guests. The fact he hit her just means he fcuked up somwhere along the line, so hold the applause.

    Didn't **** up at all, meant to hit her and was clinical in the finish. Defended myself in a dangerous situation as i will always do. Also he was being sarcastic.....you must have missed that what with the rose tinted glasses and all ;)


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    #569
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,402 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Defending yourself and punching someone are two different things. I've never punched anyone in all my 36 years on this planet, eleven of those running a nightclub in Donegal at the height of the Celtic Tiger plastering gold rush. Been in plenty of hairy situations, I've had to defend myself on numerous occasions, never had to lift my hand to anybody.

    Okay, I see where you're coming from(No, not Donegal :)). If you work in the nightclub business and have to deal with a lot of hairy situations, you would want to restrain yourself.

    But can you not see how a young man in a nightclub who just saw his friend getting floored for nothing might not have that same kind of restrainment? Or someone in a situation like this:
    bumper234 wrote: »
    Surprisingly the only woman i ever hit was trying to carve her name into my face with a broken glass but lets not let the facts get in the way of your chest puffing exercise ;)


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    #570
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Alright Lads,

    Can you put your pee pee things back into your pants please.


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    #571
    amkin25
    Closed Accounts Posts: 428 ✭✭amkin25


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Would you stand and watch someone punch the head off a family member but hold back until they hit you?

    No in that case i would also say it's warranted, in this case it's not what happened , he was obviously drunk and he's twisted the truth that much is obvious.
    She didn't hit the girl for nothing whatsoever it's a case of him settling for the big girl and then this other girl jumped in and took him off her ,and obviously all 3 involved knew what was going on , cmon


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