Scottish Independence discussion area

dubscottie

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/c9214eaa-39ca-11e4-8aa2-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3D26BffZg

NO..

donegaLroad

donegaLroad wrote: »

sorry if this has been posted before, I couldn't be bothered trawling through 82 pages to see if it has. Some very good points in here I think:::


Scotland has only 8.3% of the UK's population. 8.3%! Remember this important figure... 8.3%

But Scotland has...

32% of the land area.
61% of the sea area.
90% of the fresh water.
65% of the natural gas production.
96.5% of the crude oil production.
47% of the open cast coal production
81% of the untapped coal reserves
62% of the timber production
46% of the total forest area
92% of the hydro electric production
40% of the wind wave and solar energy production
60% of the fish landings
30% of the beef herd
20% of the sheep herd
9% of the dairy herd
10% of the pig herd
15% if the cereal holdings
20% of the potato holdings
...obviously 100% of the Scotch Whiskey industry.

Scotland has a...

17 billion pound construction industry
13 billion food and drink industry
10 billion business services industry
9.3 billion chemical services industry
A 9.3 billion tourism industry
7 billion financial services industry
5 billion aeroservice industry
4.5 billion pound whiskey exports industry
3.1 billion pound life sciences industry
Scotland still has 350 million pounds worth of textile exports

Scotland has 25% of Europes wave and wind energy potential.

And finally Scotland is blessed to have 1.5 trillion pound worth of oil and gas reserves.

All of this, yet only 8.3% of The UK's population... Scotland should be rich!

IGNORANCE...
If you hear anyone saying "I DONT LIKE ALEX SALMOND" or "I DONT LIKE SNP"...
THIS VOTE IS ABOUT SCOTLAND'S RIGHT TO ELECT ITS OWN GOVERNMENT... IT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH ALEX SALMOND OR THE SNP.
DONT LET POLITICAL IGNORANCE RUIN THIS OPPORTUNITY.

Do you know... This is the UK's legacy of success in their history of being better-together is as follows...

The UK has the 3rd lowest pensions in the 34 OECD countries of the world

The UK has the single most expensive childcare in the European Union

The UK has the second lowest-paid economy in the entire developed world

The UK has the 3rd longest working hours in the EU

The UK has the lowest number of holidays in the EU

The UK has the 8th highest gender inequality pay gap out of the EU's 28 countries

The UK has the highest likelihood of poverty in disablement in the EU

The UK has the highest rail prices in Europe

The UK has the second highest housing cost in Europe

The UK has the highest fuel poverty rates in Europe.

The UK is the 4th highest country of wealth inequality in the entire planet!

But surely these awful figures cannot be possible when you read the following Scottish statistics...


FACTS:
Fact: Scotland has an oil boom waiting to happen on the West Coast, but Michael Hesaltine signed a cessation of any form of oil exploration in the entire area in the 80's to make way for nuclear submarines which Scotland doesn't want!

Fact: Scotland has shown its revulsion time and time again to nuclear weapons but they place them here against our countries wishes. A recent contingency report was carried out a out the feasibility of relocating them in Portsmouth. The report stated that it was unfeasible because the detrimental risk to the area of an incident was too high. (Ok for the Clyde though)

Fact: Scotland, with only 1 Tory MP, was forced to take the shocking attack on the poor & disabled called The Bedroom Tax, even though as our nations government, Holyrood voted to utterly reject this awful tax on the poor. Westminster gave us it anyway!

Fact: We are led to believe that the oil in Scotland's waters is finished and its a dying industry. Yet 13.5 billion has been invested by oil companies in the last 2 years alone!

Fact: The Clair Oil Field is about to open, and on its own has over 650 million barrels which will be extracted over 20+ years with production reaching a hundred thousand barrels a day!

Fact: Scotland gives more to Westminster than it gets back. Do you really think they'd be so keen to keep Scotland if they were being subsidised like they'd have us believe?

Fact: Of the 178 countries that have gained their own independence across this planet, not one single one of them has ever asked to reverse this independence, and very few of them have the assets Scotland have.


A yes vote would seem logical.

@Dubscottie.... which particular point in the above post do you have an issue with? I will provide you with evidence and source for any of the above statistics.

fire away.

dubscottie

donegaLroad wrote: »

@Dubscottie.... which particular point in the above post do you have an issue with? I will provide you with evidence and source for any of the above statistics.

fire away.

Ireland was the 2nd wealthiest country in 2004-5 IIRC

ON PAPER

All. Give us links for all or I am calling bull****..

dubscottie

donegaLroad wrote: »

@Dubscottie.... which particular point in the above post do you have an issue with? I will provide you with evidence and source for any of the above statistics.

fire away.

All. Give us links or I am calling bull****..

Provide proof..

eeepaulo

dubscottie wrote: »

All. Give us links or I am calling bull****..

Provide proof..

Dont you dare, that is tantamount to scaremongering, and dont question the results of anything either, or suggest caution, in fact anything but agreement with a certain point of view will be considered conspiracy

Joe Doe

The Cat's over in Barca were out today in (large) force, they could be next on the road to independence, perhaps Belgium and others too, later.
The Catalan region also feels it has more potential and currently does also have more wealth (pp/gdp) that it's mainland.

Again, all part of a larger plan perhaps? I.e. To dilute certain national identities so that a single more unified central European identity can be stronger.

Long Gone

bilston wrote: »

What the hell is wrong with UK PMs going to Oxbridge?

Some of the smartest in the world, never mind the UK go to Oxford and Cambridge and Prime Minsters are meant to be smart people.

Agreed - The loser begrudgers just want everyone else to be forced down to their level of (at best) mediocrity...

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

-An independent Scotland will most likely be bad for Ireland economically.

-An independent Scotland will make little difference to the north.

-An independent Scotland could go either way in the short term for them but in the medium term they should be better off.


Considering Scotland has 1 Conservative MP elected at the moment and considering the place is run by a Conservative led government I think any Scot would be mad not to vote for independence tbh.

Joe Doe

Curious about expected turnout for such a vote, some markets will return x900% of your ROI, if there is more than a 55% turnout, this looks like a generous offer, perhaps there is something good on TV next Thurs instead?

dubscottie

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

-An independent Scotland will most likely be bad for Ireland economically.

-An independent Scotland will make little difference to the north.

-An independent Scotland could go either way in the short term for them but in the medium term they should be better off.


Considering Scotland has 1 Conservative MP elected at the moment and considering the place is run by a Conservative led government I think any Scot would be mad not to vote for independence tbh.

Missed one bit there.. An Independent Scotland will stab everyone in the back.

Anything to gain what they want..

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

dubscottie wrote: »

Missed one bit there.. An Independent Scotland will stab everyone in the back.

Anything to gain what they want..

Sure...

dubscottie

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Sure...

Sure.. Any way pipes and drums of the UK!!

spillit67

dubscottie wrote: »

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/c9214eaa-39ca-11e4-8aa2-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3D26BffZg

NO..

Wow, a major constitutional change in one of the world's major economies will have a short term effect on the markets. Shocking.

dubscottie

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BoJack Horseman

spillit67 wrote: »

Wow, a major constitutional change in one of the world's major economies will have a short term effect on the markets. Shocking.

The all out, last-ditch assault by 'Project Fear' taking the use of "could", " possible" & "maybe" to the extreme.

Banjoxed

dubscottie wrote: »

Ireland was the 2nd wealthiest country in 2004-5 IIRC

ON PAPER

All. Give us links for all or I am calling bull****..

Rev Stu's Wee Blue Book?

Long Gone

If enough Scotch people are stupid enough to vote yes the remaining UK will enjoy an economic boom as people, jobs and assets are forced to repatriate south... Scottish banks/insurance/savings/pensions exist as a specialist centre to manage British finances (55 million Brits, not 6 million Scots). Civil servants sent up by London will have to come back. UK Armed Forces will have to come back (Scotland won't need a Royal Navy to watch for its fish, and won't need an RAF to watch the Russian visitors). UK Arts Councils, scientific & research bodies, UK Charities, will bring people and money back south... So submarines go to Plymouth. Shipbuilding goes to Portsmouth. Banking to London & Birmingham. Insurance & Pensions to Bournemouth. Civil service to Cardiff, Belfast & London. Arts to Manchester... If the British cities are smart, they'll already be preparing for the possible landgrab to attract companies, jobs, people, home buyers... But non EU Scots will have to compete for British jobs versus other similar non-EU nations, like America, Canada, Malaysia, Singapore, with the same visa restrictions... No job, no stay. On benefits, go home... It will be turbulent for sure. And it's really tough if there's 49% of Scots that 'get it'... But the 51% will only learn important lessons by making mistakes... Britain can't buy love. It should and will let Scotland go if they want to go. But they make their bed then let them lie in it - They're not having it both ways which is what they will want....

tigger123

Long Gone wrote: »

If enough Scotch people are stupid enough to vote yes the remaining UK will enjoy an economic boom as people, jobs and assets are forced to repatriate south... Scottish banks/insurance/savings/pensions exist as a specialist centre to manage British finances (55 million Brits, not 6 million Scots). Civil servants sent up by London will have to come back. UK Armed Forces will have to come back (Scotland won't need a Royal Navy to watch for its fish, and won't need an RAF to watch the Russian visitors). UK Arts Councils, scientific & research bodies, UK Charities, will bring people and money back south... So submarines go to Plymouth. Shipbuilding goes to Portsmouth. Banking to London & Birmingham. Insurance & Pensions to Bournemouth. Civil service to Cardiff, Belfast & London. Arts to Manchester... If the British cities are smart, they'll already be preparing for the possible landgrab to attract companies, jobs, people, home buyers... But non EU Scots will have to compete for British jobs versus other similar non-EU nations, like America, Canada, Malaysia, Singapore, with the same visa restrictions... No job, no stay. On benefits, go home... It will be turbulent for sure. And it's really tough if there's 49% of Scots that 'get it'... But the 51% will only learn important lessons by making mistakes... Britain can't buy love. It should and will let Scotland go if they want to go. But they make their bed then let them lie in it - They're not having it both ways which is what they will want....

If the UK is going to enjoy an "economic boom" if Scotland votes for independence, why are the campaigning so hard to keep Scotland part of the union?

Surely, if you're predictions are correct, the UK would benefit from and therefore support Scottish independence.

A Dub in Glasgo

Long Gone wrote: »

If enough Scotch people are stupid enough to vote yes the remaining UK will enjoy an economic boom as people, jobs and assets are forced to repatriate south... Scottish banks/insurance/savings/pensions exist as a specialist centre to manage British finances (55 million Brits, not 6 million Scots). Civil servants sent up by London will have to come back. UK Armed Forces will have to come back (Scotland won't need a Royal Navy to watch for its fish, and won't need an RAF to watch the Russian visitors). UK Arts Councils, scientific & research bodies, UK Charities, will bring people and money back south... So submarines go to Plymouth. Shipbuilding goes to Portsmouth. Banking to London & Birmingham. Insurance & Pensions to Bournemouth. Civil service to Cardiff, Belfast & London. Arts to Manchester... If the British cities are smart, they'll already be preparing for the possible landgrab to attract companies, jobs, people, home buyers... But non EU Scots will have to compete for British jobs versus other similar non-EU nations, like America, Canada, Malaysia, Singapore, with the same visa restrictions... No job, no stay. On benefits, go home... It will be turbulent for sure. And it's really tough if there's 49% of Scots that 'get it'... But the 51% will only learn important lessons by making mistakes... Britain can't buy love. It should and will let Scotland go if they want to go. But they make their bed then let them lie in it - They're not having it both ways which is what they will want....

So this is the love bomb we were promised :pac:

Long Gone

tigger123 wrote: »

If the UK is going to enjoy an "economic boom" if Scotland votes for independence, why are the campaigning so hard to keep Scotland part of the union?

Surely, if you're predictions are correct, the UK would benefit from and therefore support Scottish independence.

Partly because of the disruption and uncertainty that a break up of the current UK would cause, partly because the UK is such a long established and internationally respected institution, but mainly because they know damn well that the scots will want and try to be able to play it both ways - More power for Salmond and his narrow minded ilk, more petty (and pathetic) Scotch nationalism, while still retaining all the current benefits of being part of the union like using the pound and having job opportunities in all of the UK.

They cannot have a la carte so-called independence....

tigger123

Long Gone wrote: »

Partly because of the disruption and that a break up of the current UK would cause, partly because the UK is a long established and respected institution, but mainly because they know damn well that the scots will want and try to be able to play it both ways - More power for Salmond and his narrow minded ilk, more petty (and pathetic) nationalism, while still retaining all the current benefits of being part of the union like using the pound and having job opportunitises in all of the UK.

They cannot have a la carte so-called independence....

An institution respected by some, not all. (Sorry, couldn't help myself).

It's the first time I've heard it referred to as a la carte independence. Its going to be full independence, with an application for EU membership ... the full kit and kaboodle.

Are you English, Scottish, or Irish? Or none of the above? You seem to be quite disparaging of the Scottish independence movement.

First Up

Long Gone wrote: »

Partly because of the disruption and uncertainty that a break up of the current UK would cause, partly because the UK is such a long established and internationally respected institution, but mainly because they know damn well that the scots will want and try to be able to play it both ways - More power for Salmond and his narrow minded ilk, more petty (and pathetic) Scotch nationalism, while still retaining all the current benefits of being part of the union like using the pound and having job opportunities in all of the UK.

They cannot have a la carte so-called independence....

No question a break-up of the UK would be an administrative nightmare and would come at a cost to all concerned. But while it would be a pain for the "rest" of the UK to re-calibrate, the bigger task would be Scotland's - having to establish all the mechanisms of government - all of which would have to be in place before EU membership would be even considered. You are looking at a transition period of years with many uncertainties, and investors don't like that sort of thing.

While everyone would suffer, in the longer term Scotland would be the biggest loser (a) by being small in a world where size increasingly matters and (b) by the flight of capital that would inevitably result. It isn't vindictiveness as some here would like to portray; it is just how the world works.

That said, I think it is all moot as the result will be a comfortable no. The media is desperate for a story and one poll - conducted on questionable lines - showing a Yes majority was enough to get the headlines. However that blip seems to have been sorted and we are rolling towards a 55/45 No or thereabouts.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Long Gone wrote: »

If enough Scotch people are stupid enough to vote yes the remaining UK will enjoy an economic boom as people, jobs and assets are forced to repatriate south... Scottish banks/insurance/savings/pensions exist as a specialist centre to manage British finances (55 million Brits, not 6 million Scots). Civil servants sent up by London will have to come back. UK Armed Forces will have to come back (Scotland won't need a Royal Navy to watch for its fish, and won't need an RAF to watch the Russian visitors). UK Arts Councils, scientific & research bodies, UK Charities, will bring people and money back south... So submarines go to Plymouth. Shipbuilding goes to Portsmouth. Banking to London & Birmingham. Insurance & Pensions to Bournemouth. Civil service to Cardiff, Belfast & London. Arts to Manchester... If the British cities are smart, they'll already be preparing for the possible landgrab to attract companies, jobs, people, home buyers... But non EU Scots will have to compete for British jobs versus other similar non-EU nations, like America, Canada, Malaysia, Singapore, with the same visa restrictions... No job, no stay. On benefits, go home... It will be turbulent for sure. And it's really tough if there's 49% of Scots that 'get it'... But the 51% will only learn important lessons by making mistakes... Britain can't buy love. It should and will let Scotland go if they want to go. But they make their bed then let them lie in it - They're not having it both ways which is what they will want....

Long Gone wrote: »

Partly because of the disruption and that a break up of the current UK would cause, partly because the UK is a long established and respected institution, but mainly because they know damn well that the scots will want and try to be able to play it both ways - More power for Salmond and his narrow minded ilk, more petty (and pathetic) nationalism, while still retaining all the current benefits of being part of the union like using the pound and having job opportunitises in all of the UK.

They cannot have a la carte so-called independence....

Why is Salmond narrow minded and pathetic for believing in Scottish nationalism?

Pretty much all the jobs you mentioned there are public sector jobs funded from London, I don't see how almost all of them can't be replaced by public sector jobs from Edinburgh.

Long Gone

tigger123 wrote: »

An institution respected by some, not all. (Sorry, couldn't help myself).

Predictable and poor comment . The current UK set up is well respected internationally. That is a fact whether you like it or not.

tigger123 wrote: »

It's the first time I've heard it referred to as a la carte independence. Its going to be full independence, with an application for EU membership ... the full kit and kaboodle.

So, it's going to be full independence, except they want to keep the pound (how on earth can you have full independence if you haven't got fiscal independence ??), and except they will still want to have full freedom of employment and be able to avail of full social security etc in England, Wales etc (just as if they were still part of the UK and nothing had changed) and about as many other excepts as you care to name....:rolleyes:

Happyman42

As the blogger says, this is quite shocking manipulation, even though we are all aware how biased the BBC can sometimes be.

http://tompride.wordpress.com/2014/09/11/bbc-reporter-caught-red-handed-manipulating-video-in-scottish-indy-campaign/

kingchess

Long Gone wrote: »

Predictable and poor comment . The current UK set up is well respected internationally. That is a fact whether you like it or not.


respected internationally maybe but it seems it is not so well respected by a large percentage of people living in Scotland

First Up

Happyman42 wrote: »

As the blogger says, this is quite shocking manipulation, even though we are all aware how biased the BBC can sometimes be.

http://tompride.wordpress.com/2014/09/11/bbc-reporter-caught-red-handed-manipulating-video-in-scottish-indy-campaign/

What manipulation? Salmond said lots of other stuff but he avoided the question!

donegaLroad

dubscottie wrote: »

All. Give us links or I am calling bull****..

Provide proof..

why dont you just Google it yourself?

Why try and pick holes in my post if we are both pro 'yes'?

Barna77

seamus wrote: »

I think whatever way this referendum goes, the fact that the vote is so close, it will trigger a movement in other small "states" like NI, Catalonia, etc.

It's not necessarily in seeing what others achieve that inspires people to say "me too", but rather in seeing what others attempt.

That is, "If Scotland can get such a close result, maybe we could actually win it".

Interesting times coming up for these islands and the EU in general.

In Catalonia they are looking closely at what's happening in Scotland, but Salmond has been quick to reject any similarities between the two cases.

Scottish referendum has been agreed both by Westminster and Edinburgh, while in Catalonia it's only them who want it, which central government will never allow to. That's Salmond's explanation.

Anyway, Catalonia (and the other regions in Spain) has more powers than Scotland and Wales have after devolution.

Long Gone

kingchess wrote: »

respected internationally maybe but it seems it is not so well respected by a large percentage of people living in Scotland

Irrelevant post - My point was that the current UK is well respected internationally. I mentioned nothing about how it is regarded in Scotland.

As I've already explained in an earlier post, the problem is that the Braveheart brigade say they want "independence" but the reality would be that they would still want to try to hang on to all the benefits of being part of the UK that they currently have.

In any case I fully expect a comfortable majority "No" vote.

Frank Lee Midere

Long Gone wrote: »

Irrelevant post - My point was that the current UK is well respected internationally. I mentioned nothing about how it is regarded in Scotland.

As I've already explained in an earlier post, the problem is that the Braveheart brigade say they want "independence" but the reality would be that they would still want to try to hang on to all the benefits of being part of the UK that they currently have.

In any case I fully expect a comfortable majority "No" vote.

They only want the pound. And there is nothing the rUK can do about that. It's probably temporary.

Happyman42

First Up wrote: »

What manipulation? Salmond said lots of other stuff but he avoided the question!

The impression was clearly given that he 'didn't answer' the question when he clearly did.
What Robinson (a former head of Conservative Students... the same people who wanted Mandela hung) should have said was: 'he did'nt give the answer we wanted'.
Open your eyes!

eeepaulo

donegaLroad wrote: »

I am on the Yes side btw. I would like to see a yes vote passed. Most of your posts suggest that you are of the same mind set and would vote yes. But in some of your other posts, it almost appears that you left yourself logged on and someone from the No camp did some posting using your account.

Why try and pick holes in my post if we are both pro 'yes'?

Its not about winning the argument / campaign.

Surely it is about doing what is in the best interest of the people.

That is the discussion that should be happening.

tigger123

Long Gone wrote: »

Irrelevant post - My point was that the current UK is well respected internationally. I mentioned nothing about how it is regarded in Scotland.

As I've already explained in an earlier post, the problem is that the Braveheart brigade say they want "independence" but the reality would be that they would still want to try to hang on to all the benefits of being part of the UK that they currently have.

In any case I fully expect a comfortable majority "No" vote.

And what's that expectation based on? The polls which are balanced?

If the No vote is carried Scotland has managed to renegotiate its relationship with London, which is a win in itself.

The Yes side come out on top either way.

First Up

Happyman42 wrote: »

The impression was clearly given that he 'didn't answer' the question when he clearly did.
What Robinson (a former head of Conservative Students... the same people who wanted Mandela hung) should have said was: 'he did'nt give the answer we wanted'.
Open your eyes!

He did not answer the question Robinson asked about why the opinion of a politician (Salmond) on the economic impact should be taken over the opinion of major players in the economy.

Peppa Pig

Sky news are outdoing themselves today. Now they are reporting that Telecoms bosses are considering releasing a statement saying that telecom prices would go up in Scotland after a yes vote.
They haven't said it, they might say it but Sky are essentially reporting it as fact.

Mind you Wetherspoons have announced there will be no increase in the price of a pint

Perhaps someone could explain to me why Asda (who said it yesterday) and say, Vodafone would need to charge more in Scotland.
Are they claiming that they will declare all their Scottish revenue in England, like Apple are being accused of here?

First Up

tigger123 wrote: »

And what's that expectation based on? The polls which are balanced?

If the No vote is carried Scotland has managed to renegotiate its relationship with London, which is a win in itself.

The Yes side come out on top either way.

The polls are impartial and scientific. The only one that was conducted in a questionable fashion was the only one showing a yes majority.
It will be defeated and the question then will be if the additional devolved powers and autonomy derived from the campaign are worth the fracturing of Scottish society. No doubt Salmond and Co will try to present this as a "victory" but he will be toast after this.
I hope the Yes side has the sense to accept the result and move on, and not try to keep the pot boiling by talking about doing it all again. That would be a serious blow to confidence in Scotland.

Happyman42

First Up wrote: »

He did not answer the question Robinson asked about why the opinion of a politician (Salmond) on the economic impact should be taken over the opinion of major players in the economy.

Robinson clearly manipulated his longer question to make out that Salmond was shirking from answering the questions. The oldest media trick in the book.
As a member of a supposedly 'public broadcaster' that is shameful.

porsche959

Happyman42 wrote: »

As the blogger says, this is quite shocking manipulation, even though we are all aware how biased the BBC can sometimes be.

http://tompride.wordpress.com/2014/09/11/bbc-reporter-caught-red-handed-manipulating-video-in-scottish-indy-campaign/

The BBC is an arm of the British state. Its own charter doesn't mandate it to pursue objectivity or the public interest - arguably, the opposite is the case.

First Up

Happyman42 wrote: »

Robinson clearly manipulated his longer question to make out that Salmond was shirking from answering the questions. The oldest media trick in the book.
As a member of a supposedly 'public broadcaster' that is shameful.

Which part of Salmond didn't answer the question he was asked is giving you trouble?

Fratton Fred

Peppa Pig wrote: »

Sky news are outdoing themselves today. Now they are reporting that Telecoms bosses are considering releasing a statement saying that telecom prices would go up in Scotland after a yes vote.
They haven't said it, they might say it but Sky are essentially reporting it as fact.

Mind you Wetherspoons have announced there will be no increase in the price of a pint

Perhaps someone could explain to me why Asda (who said it yesterday) and say, Vodafone would need to charge more in Scotland.
Are they claiming that they will declare all their Scottish revenue in England, like Apple are being accused of here?

There will two separate entities, each accountable for its own P&L, they can't offset losses in one region against profit in another.

From a mobile perspective, part of their license includes providing telecoms to the sparsely populated highlands and islands. This is currently paid for by highly profitable corporate accounts, mainly in London. Instead of 25 million subscribers subsidising the H&I, it will be their million or so in scotland.

The_Kew_Tour

The No vote will win in the end.

Lot of the undecided will stick to what they know best in the end.

Happyman42

First Up wrote: »

Which part of Salmond didn't answer the question he was asked is giving you trouble?

What part of 'Robinson clearly manipulated the exchange to give an impression' do you not understand or want to understand.

First Up

Happyman42 wrote: »

What part of 'Robinson clearly manipulated the exchange to give an impression' do you not understand or want to understand.

Have you tried listening to Robinson's question and then listening to Salmond's answer?

Happyman42

porsche959 wrote: »

The BBC is an arm of the British state. Its own charter doesn't mandate it to pursue objectivity or the public interest - arguably, the opposite is the case.

Trust is the foundation of the BBC: we are independent, impartial and honest.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/insidethebbc/whoweare/mission_and_values/

Laois_Man

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

That would hurt us far more than England. We'd have to lower our own corporation tax rate in response.

The fact is, the UK are lowering their Corporation Tax in their budget ever year as it is already - targeting us. So this is a problem no matter what the result of the Scotland vote

Wurzelbert

i don’t really think it will happen as the fear of the unknown is likely to be stronger than scottish nationalism in the end...though i personally do hope the scots vote for independence, simply because it would shake up europe a little and would in a way right some ancient wrongs...after all scotland was subdued and basically forced into the union in centuries of violence and bloodshed to begin with...and the memory of a nation, of a people will always persist...the only way to take over territory for good without the risk of nationalist flare-ups generations later is through thorough ethnic cleansing...a lesson history has taught us and may just be about to re-enforce...

First Up

Wurzelbert wrote: »

i don’t really think it will happen as the fear of the unknown is likely to be stronger than scottish nationalism in the end...though i personally do hope the scots vote for independence, simply because it would shake up europe a little and would in a way right some ancient wrongs...after all scotland was subdued and basically forced into the union in centuries of violence and bloodshed to begin with...and the memory of a nation, of a people will always persist...the only way to take over territory for good without the risk of nationalist flare-ups generations later is through thorough ethnic cleansing...a lesson history has taught us and may just be about to re-enforce...

The borders of Europe and much of the rest of the world were shaped to some extent by violence and bloodshed. That doesn't necessarily mean they should be changed.
As for "shaking up" Europe, have you something specific in mind?

Happyman42

First Up wrote: »

Have you tried listening to Robinson's question and then listening to Salmond's answer?

Propaganda depends on lazy ears and eyes.

First Up

Happyman42 wrote: »

Propaganda depends on lazy ears and eyes.

That's profound. Now back to the question; did you listen to what Robinson asked and Salmond said in reply? Which bit of that is "propaganda"?