Scottish Independence discussion area

Donkey Oaty

realies wrote: »

It's happened lots of times Fred and you know it, most recent one was some brittish paper saying Kate tailor was a brittish champion boxer, same in music with U2, thin lizzy boomtown rats etc,but it's ok as were all part of the home nations....

I agree that all those examples are misleading descriptions of people as British. However:

U2: half of them born in London;

Thin Lizzy: Several members from NI, including the founders;

Boomtown Rats: Geldof had an English grandmother;

Katie Taylor: has an English father.

If it was the other way around, we would definitely be staking some sort of a claim of our own on them - even if only in a Tubridy/Kenny interview sort of a way.

Henry Sidney

Fratton Fred wrote: »

It happens all the time apparently, especially with Andy Murray, but a two year old article about Katie Taylor is all you can come up with.

Wasn't even an article, it was a run down of what was on at the Olympics that day, and was apologised for on Twitter, Facebook and the website within an hour.

Still, if Shane McGowan and half the Irish football team that were born in England can be claimed as Irish, we could surely claim Taylor if we wanted, given her parentage.

Happyman42

Fratton Fred wrote: »

It happens all the time apparently, especially with Andy Murray, but a two year old article about Katie Taylor is all you can come up with.

Fred still clinging to his denials.
Bless. :rolleyes:

Piliger

realies wrote: »

It's happened lots of times Fred and you know it, most recent one was some brittish paper saying Kate tailor was a brittish champion boxer, same in music with U2, thin lizzy boomtown rats etc,but it's ok as were all part of the home nations....
Lots more but you can look for them yourself.

Every year it happens. The British papers are like clockwork. A successful Irish athlete suddenly becomes British ... Always been like that, just like writers.

Henry Sidney

Piliger wrote: »

Every year it happens. The British papers are like clockwork. A successful Irish athlete suddenly becomes British ... Always been like that, just like writers.

Successful Irish athlete? Now I know you're lying.

briany

As per the Rubberbandits demands to the Queen,

"Stop calling Oscar Wilde British whenever he's referred to as a genius, and Irish whenever he's referred to as gay. He was a bent Irish genius. Let's just leave it at that."

Rucking_Fetard

Bing says,

No=51.3%
Yes=48.7%

Gonna be a NO.

http://www.neowin.net/news/bing-predictions-scotland-will-remain-part-of-the-uk

Henry Sidney

briany wrote: »

As per the Rubberbandits demands to the Queen,

"Stop calling Oscar Wilde British whenever he's referred to as a genius, and Irish whenever he's referred to as gay. He was a bent Irish genius. Let's just leave it at that."

I've never once heard or seen Wilde referred to as english. There's an awful lot of Irish paranoia in this thread. You're a tiny country, be proud of your few successes. We don't want or need them.

Barely There

Piliger wrote: »

Every year it happens. The British papers are like clockwork. A successful Irish athlete suddenly becomes British ... Always been like that, just like writers.

Hardly ever happens and when it does, most people shrug it off and laugh.

Only the very culturally and nationally insecure become righteously indignant over it.

efb

BringBackMick wrote: »

I have heard there are no exit polls for this ref?

BBC aren't doing one anyway

Henry Sidney

Barely There wrote: »

Hardly ever happens and when it does, most people shrug it off and laugh.

Only the very culturally and nationally insecure become righteously indignant over it.

Nobody in the UK took offence at you claiming Ray Houghton, John Aldridge or any others as Irish. Not even your hero Cascarino.

As for Barack Obama, reel your necks in lads, you're making yourselves look daft.

efb

I've heard Wilde referred to as British, which, given the time we lived in, was correct

Donkey Oaty

efb wrote: »

BBC aren't doing one anyway

Nor are the other mainstream outlets. There are private ones being done by the campaigners, which the BBC etc will probably report on, but they won't carry as much weight as the General Election exit polls because of the uniqueness of the referendum.

Happyman42

Henry Sidney wrote: »

Nobody in the UK took offence at you claiming Ray Houghton, John Aldridge or any others as Irish. Not even your hero Cascarino.

As for Barack Obama, reel your necks in lads, you're making yourselves look daft.

Probably becaused they 'declared' themselves Irish.

And nobody is getting indignant or paranoid, we are just laughing at them. Chill out.

Michael D Not Higgins

Henry Sidney wrote: »

I've never once heard or seen Wilde referred to as english. There's an awful lot of Irish paranoia in this thread. You're a tiny country, be proud of your few successes. We don't want or need them.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1566243/Oscar-Wilde-voted-greatest-British-wit.html

Fratton Fred

Henry Sidney wrote: »

As for Barack Obama, reel your necks in lads, you're making yourselves look daft.

You mean that wasn't his family's petrol station I filled up at last week?

Guy:Incognito

Fratton Fred wrote: »

It happens all the time apparently, especially with Andy Murray, but a two year old article about Katie Taylor is all you can come up with.

What I want to know is when this new movie SWAT is coming out.

Menas

efb wrote: »

I've heard Wilde referred to as British, which, given the time we lived in, was correct

Yes, but by the time he was convicted of gross indecency he was well and truly Irish.

death1234567

Prediction, +5%- 10% win for the no side. People are a lot more conservative in the polling booth than they are when they are asked a direct question by a person in a pre-election poll.

laugh

Fratton Fred wrote: »

You mean that wasn't his family's petrol station I filled up at last week?

Did you come here to chuckle at the irish?

Piliger

Henry Sidney wrote: »

Successful Irish athlete? Now I know you're lying.

When you start calling people liars you really have lost the plot and the argument.

gandalf

So what do we call Britain if the Scots decide to divorce them? Lesser Britain

Grandpa Hassan

Happyman42 wrote: »

Fred still clinging to his denials.
Bless. :rolleyes:

It's an urban myth that people love to get all upset about. Some people just enjoy getting offended so much that they make stuff up.

efb

laugh wrote: »

Did you come here to chuckle at the irish?

Saving on the fuel cost! He he converted before the Sterling collapse!

Happyman42

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

It's an urban myth

It's not, it has happened a lot.
I find it hilarious myself.

Fallschirmjager

gandalf wrote: »

So what do we call Britain if the Scots decide to divorce them? Lesser Britain

You hear that sound, that's the sound on heads exploding, prepare thyself....lol

Barely There

Happyman42 wrote: »

It's not, it has happened a lot.

Yep, like for that SWAT movie.



Eleven years ago.

Beefy78

Happyman42 wrote: »

It's not, it has happened a lot.
I find it hilarious myself.

It really hasn't.

The only time I ever hear it is if English people are deliberately on the wind up.

Like mentioning 1966

Happyman42

Barely There wrote: »

Yep, like for that SWAT movie.



Eleven years ago.

Does time passing mean it 'never happened'?

Fratton Fred

laugh wrote: »

Did you come here to chuckle at the irish?

What a strange comment

Grandpa Hassan

I heard bookies already paying out on a no

humanji

MOD: Let's move on from trying to list cases of Irish people being claimed as British and get back to discussing the vote.

who the fug

Beefy78 wrote: »

Like mentioning 1966

West Ham fans, give the rest of the country a bad name

CZ 453

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/18/final-poll-scottish-referendum-campaign

Latest poll has No ahead

irishfeen

Vote YES & William Wallace now trending in Ireland :pac:

Muahahaha

fatboypee wrote: »

To that point, the real worst outcome would be a marginal NO. Notwithstanding the political fallout, or the damage to Brand Scotland in terms of investment or trust, and as much as (in my opinion) a marginal NO would somewhat massage the ego of Salmond in defeat, the whole debate has caused the relationship with England in particular,to be considerably damaged / eroded by this. Natural, you may argue, given the gravity of what is at stake, but after this, its not likely to go back to "it never happened"..

Hope the YES gets it..

Agreed, a marginal No victory will still be a huge victory for Salmond. He is a winner here no matter what because even if Scotland votes no the three main parties are already on record as promising DevoMax as the reward to a No vote. The problem for them is they haven't agreed with what new powers Scotland and already backbenchers are up in arms over rewarding Scotland for nearly telling the UK to split. So when it comes down to negotiations and the three main parties begin to roll back on promises Salmond can easily sell the story that Westminister is shortchanging Scotland yet again.

Any win by the No side tonight is nothing more than a Pyrrhic victory. The older generations who voted No will die out and the calls for an independent Scotland will get stronger as the years go on. If Scotland doesn't win independence tonight they have still taken a major steping stone towards it. Even if it gets defeated this referendum will have made an impossible dream seem real for a majority of Scots, no-one would have thought independence was possible three months ago but this campaign has changed all that.

Fallschirmjager

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/16/politics/us-scotland-vote/

Obama speaks...now I'm hoping for a yes vote. I guess Soros told him to get out there


Or he was moved by Geldofs comments.

I notice he left it until the last minute with a swing to no, after all he normally backs a loser in these things, I bet Cameron is now crapping himself..

Muahahaha

Muahahaha wrote: »

Agreed, a marginal No victory will still be a huge victory for Salmond. He is a winner here no matter what because even if Scotland votes no the three main parties are already on record as promising DevoMax as the reward to a No vote. The problem for them is they haven't agreed with what new powers Scotland and already backbenchers are up in arms over rewarding Scotland for nearly telling the UK to split. So when it comes down to negotiations and the three main parties begin to roll back on promises Salmond can easily sell the story that Westminister is shortchanging Scotland yet again.

Any win by the No side tonight is nothing more than a Pyrrhic victory. The older generations who voted No will die out and the calls for an independent Scotland will get stronger as the years go on. If Scotland doesn't win independence tonight they have still taken a major steping stone towards independence.

Yes have certainly run the better campaign. Whether there is an inevitability to independence is another matter. You could argue that this was perfect timing for the SNP with Cameron and Osborne the faces of the UK parliament in Westminster. Talk about an open goal.

If there's a labour government in power in a year's time, stuffed with Scottish cabinet ministers - the feeling will probably be different. Same as if this referendum had been held under Blair or Brown - it wouldn't even have been close.

In general people are too willing to equate Scotland and Ireland. The numbers of people I hear saying "scotland should be free" is embarrassing. There's an assumption that everyone in scotland WANTS to be independent and it is only fear stopping them. That's nonsense.

sjb25

Our irish adviser to the scots http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lwx2ce_AyOE

DEFTLEFTHAND

Muahahaha wrote: »

Agreed, a marginal No victory will still be a huge victory for Salmond. He is a winner here no matter what because even if Scotland votes no the three main parties are already on record as promising DevoMax as the reward to a No vote. The problem for them is they haven't agreed with what new powers Scotland and already backbenchers are up in arms over rewarding Scotland for nearly telling the UK to split. So when it comes down to negotiations and the three main parties begin to roll back on promises Salmond can easily sell the story that Westminister is shortchanging Scotland yet again.

Any win by the No side tonight is nothing more than a Pyrrhic victory. The older generations who voted No will die out and the calls for an independent Scotland will get stronger as the years go on. If Scotland doesn't win independence tonight they have still taken a major steping stone towards it. Even if it gets defeated this referendum will have made an impossible dream seem real for a majority of Scots, no-one would have thought independence was possible three months ago but this campaign has changed all that.

Sure we've been saying when the Unionists die out in NI for years, people change as they get older some of the young people voting no might vote yes in 10 years while some voting yes might vote no. It will come down come to individual circumstances. People will do what's best for themselves at that point in their lives.

LorMal

realies wrote: »

It's happened lots of times Fred and you know it, most recent one was some brittish paper saying Kate tailor was a brittish champion boxer, same in music with U2, thin lizzy boomtown rats etc,but it's ok as were all part of the home nations....

In a British program about Samuel L Jackson and Colin Farrell’s lastest movie SWAT presented by British presenter, Kate Thornton, the following exchange occured:

Thornton: What was it like working with Colin (Farrell), cos he is just so hot in the U.K. right now?

Jackson: He’s pretty hot in the U.S. too.

Thornton: Yeah, but he is one of our own.

Jackson: Isn’t he from Ireland?

Thornton: Yeah, but we can claim him cos Ireland is beside us.

Jackson: You see that’s your problem right there. You British keep claiming people that don’t belong to you. We had that problem here in America too, it was called slavery.


Lots more but you can look for them yourself.

Sorry, but what is the issue? Who the hell cares? Do you really think anyone in Britain really gives a rats where Katie Taylor is from? Or Colin Farrell?? Really? (or maybe its just you).
And as for Thin Lizzy and the Boomtown Rats - 30 years ago at least. (Holding on a bit tight there, aren't you?)

SharpshooterTom

Deleted User wrote: »

If there's a labour government in power in a year's time, stuffed with Scottish cabinet ministers - the feeling will probably be different. Same as if this referendum had been held under Blair or Brown - it wouldn't even have been close.

Sure, but the tories are in power most of the time. If you look at who's been in power for the past 60-70 years you'll see the Tories have been in power far more than Labour have.

You're also negating the fact that we've had the worst economic downturn since the great depression, its what caused the pro independence Quebec movement to suspend a third referendum until economic conditions improve. There can be better conditions for the SNP should they choose to hold a future referendum 15-20 years down the line.

35cent

Whatever the result, there will be a lot of unhappy people tomorrow.

Osvaldo

I will be slightly disappointed if YES doesn't win. Why?

Because Scottish Independence.

porsche959

Scottish Referendum

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http://trendsmap.com/v2/Lf62/w

Menas

Paddy Power now have 1/5 for a No.
7/2 for a Yes vote.

tvc15

Is there any exit polling data available? I know the British media is not allowed but has any snuck through?

Menas

tvc15 wrote: »

Is there any exit polling data available? I know the British media is not allowed but has any snuck through?

It would be an offence in Britan to do an exit poll on this one. So I guess we wont see any!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/scottish-independence-what-you-shouldnt-tweet-about-if-you-want-to-avoid-jail-today-9740794.html

SharpshooterTom

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Paddy Power now have 1/5 for a No.
7/2 for a Yes vote.

Its been like that since this morning. I put £100 on at 1/5 around 11am.

Menas

porsche959 wrote: »

Scottish Referendum

Tweet mentions:

http://trendsmap.com/v2/Lf62/w

I love that graphic.

I suppose it shows that younger people will be voting yes. But getting them off their arses to a polling station is always a challenge.

But the key demographic IMO is older people and middle class profesionals etc. They are the silent ones who will vote no.