Scottish Independence discussion area

kingchess

Darling was well beaten tonight in the debate imo,

irishfeen

pablomakaveli wrote: »

To be fair though i'd expect most people to beat Alistair Darling. The man doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

The next opinion polls could be very interesting - a bounce for the Yes side could mean momentum pushing them over the line... just.

The_Valeyard

irishfeen wrote: »

The next opinion polls could be very interesting - a bounce for the Yes side could mean momentum pushing them over the line... just.

I think if a momentum starts to build well then we would see the No side really bring out the fear factor.

irishfeen

kingchess wrote: »

Darling was well beaten tonight in the debate imo,

Missed the debate but just looking at clips on BBC News it looks like it really was a landslide victory - Darling just seemed to be taken aback with Salmond posing very easy but hard questions to defend.

irishfeen

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I think if a momentum starts to build well then we would see the yes side really bring out the fear factor.

I assume you mean the No side? .. the thing is though that currency is the big fear being created but that has now been dealt with at length.

The_Valeyard

irishfeen wrote: »

I assume you mean the No side? .. the thing is though that currency is the big fear being created but that has now been dealt with at length.

Just beat ya to it with the change

Its Only Ray Parlour

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I think if a momentum starts to build well then we would see the No side really bring out the fear factor.

What's the fear factor?

irishfeen

Its Only Ray Parlour wrote: »

What's the fear factor?

The fear of going it alone..

A Dub in Glasgo

SuperAlexGoesBallisticDarlingisAtrocious

irishfeen

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

SuperAlexGoesBallisticDarlingisAtrocious

Ha ha that's gas..

daviecronin

My personal view is that of course there should be Scottish independence as there should be a united Ireland its finally time to break down the commonwealth, its not just a matter of money

fryup

dividing an island is usually a recipe for disaster...

e.g. Cyprus, Timor, and another place can't think of it at the moment but it begins with I

irishfeen

daviecronin wrote: »

My personal view is that of course there should be Scottish independence as there should be a united Ireland its finally time to break down the commonwealth, its not just a matter of money

IMO a Yes vote next month and a UI will be closer then any other time in our history...

daviecronin

irishfeen wrote: »

IMO a Yes vote next month and a UI will be closer then any other time in our history...

Indeed it will speed things along so quick as all those 'settlers' are Scottish anyway and if theres no 'loyalty' to the crown in their homeland they might finally understand they're essentially foreigners in a foreign land and we can finally have OUR country back

comongethappy

daviecronin wrote: »

Indeed it will speed things along so quick as all those 'settlers' are Scottish anyway and if theres no 'loyalty' to the crown in their homeland they might finally understand they're essentially foreigners in a foreign land and we can finally have OUR country back

Ireland wouldn't want it..... and certainly can't afford the €12bn needed annually (€2,600 per person here) to subsidise it.

Best leave it to sugar-daddy George Osbourne.

irishfeen

comongethappy wrote: »

Ireland wouldn't want it..... and certainly can't afford the €12bn needed annually (€2,600 per person here) to subsidise it.

Best leave it to sugar-daddy George Osbourne.

I would very much question that - it it came to people being in a ballot box with the power of creating a UI after 100 years I would guarantee you that it would pass and pass with ease.

Davarus Walrus

Most of the people I've met in Ireland who are madly in favour of Scottish Independence are the type of crusty: 'I work in a call centre'; higher rates of tax; we love everyone in the world (except working-class loyalists) sort of individual.

Everyone else knows that it was never going to pass; even when first muted by Alex; 20 years ago.

daviecronin

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

Most of the people I've met in Ireland who are madly in favour of Scottish Independence are the type of crusty: 'I work in a call centre'; higher rates of tax; we love everyone in the world (except working-class loyalists) sort of individual.

Everyone else knows that it was never going to pass; even when first muted by Alex; 20 years ago.

Oppps you caught me..... I think you would be surprised at the amount of people in favour of a UI, just think back to the history of it and how unfairly we were treated in every aspect by the 'commonwealth'

Davarus Walrus

daviecronin wrote: »

Oppps you caught me..... I think you would be surprised at the amount of people in favour of a UI, just think back to the history of it and how unfairly we were treated in every aspect by the 'commonwealth'

What are you on about? This discussion has nothing to do with a united Ireland. It's about Scotland. And the overwhelming desire for the populace to remain within Great Britain. Despite what the lackies of middle-class socialism would like to have happen.

Dyr

Interesting to see how much the english establishment seem to be afraid of this happening, even the BBC.

daviecronin

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

What are you on about? This discussion has nothing to do with a united Ireland. It's about Scotland. And the overwhelming desire for the populace to remain within Great Britain. Despite what the lackies of middle-class socialism would like to have happen.

Ooppps sorry replied to the wrong poster it was for the other dude

TireeTerror

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

What are you on about? This discussion has nothing to do with a united Ireland. It's about Scotland. And the overwhelming desire for the populace to remain within Great Britain. Despite what the lackies of middle-class socialism would like to have happen.

Pish. The overwhelming desire of the populace is inconclusive. I cannot wait until 18th Sept when we can finally say goodbye to really stupid posts such as this.

Davarus Walrus

Bambi wrote: »

Interesting to see how much the english establishment seem to be afraid of this happening, even the BBC.

The Scots will decide what happens. The Scots will reject this. This will annoy the usual malcontents. Life will continue. The malcontents will continue to be annoyed by the rejection of their bleak and controlling worldview.

Calling it.

fleet_admiral

If the Scots do vote in favour and then Wales starts talking about it how will norn iron feel I wonder

Dublin Red Devil

I think The Scotish will vote to stay in the Union. And it won't be close either. Ther is too much uncertainty and unanswered question. The devil you know, better than the devil you don't

Dyr

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

The Scots will decide what happens. The Scots will reject this. This will annoy the usual malcontents. Life will continue. The malcontents will continue to be annoyed by the rejection of their bleak and controlling worldview.

Calling it.

Don't quote my posts like we have something in common

Thanks

Davarus Walrus

Bambi wrote: »

Don't quote my posts like we have something in common

Thanks

If you don't care for having people quoting and replying to your posts, then I'd suggest that a message board isn't the best place to spread your message. It being the concept of message boards and all that.

Fratton Fred

irishfeen wrote: »

I assume you mean the No side? .. the thing is though that currency is the big fear being created but that has now been dealt with at length.

No, no it hasn't.

daviecronin wrote: »

My personal view is that of course there should be Scottish independence as there should be a united Ireland its finally time to break down the commonwealth, its not just a matter of money

This is the problem with it being debated on after hours, too many people with no idea what they're talking about.

daviecronin wrote: »

Indeed it will speed things along so quick as all those 'settlers' are Scottish anyway and if theres no 'loyalty' to the crown in their homeland they might finally understand they're essentially foreigners in a foreign land and we can finally have OUR country back

Aah, so you want Scottish independence just to piss off loyalists.

Bambi wrote: »

Interesting to see how much the english establishment seem to be afraid of this happening, even the BBC.

The no campaign is Scottish, run by Scots. The English establishment has nothing to do with it. You are simply showing your own ignorance/prejudice.

A Dub in Glasgo

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The no campaign is Scottish, run by Scots. The English establishment has nothing to do with it. You are simply showing your own ignorance/prejudice.

Better Together is an all British campaign. It is headed up by Scots because even the most retarded Unionist sees the pitfalls of Cameron or one of the others heading it up.

Fratton Fred

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Better Together is an all British campaign. It is headed up by Scots because even the most retarded Unionist sees the pitfalls of Cameron or one of the others heading it up.

Obviously. But still not English.

I like the way you use the term unionist. Trying to bring Irish politics in to Britain?

A Dub in Glasgo

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Trying to bring Irish politics in to Britain?

No, that is the term used in Scotland already

Fratton Fred

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

No, that is the term used in Scotland already

In Glasgow by any chance?

A Dub in Glasgo

No

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unionism_in_Scotland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Conservative_Party

'The Scottish Conservatives, officially the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party and informally the Scottish Tories, is the part of the British Conservative Party that operates in Scotland. Like the UK party, it has a centre-right political philosophy which promotes conservatism and British unionism. Its leader in the Scottish Parliament is Ruth Davidson MSP, who has held the post since 2011.

It was established in 1965, when the previously separate Unionist Party was merged into the Conservative Party of England and Wales, to form the basis of the modern UK Conservative Party. The Unionist Party (unionist in the sense of preserving the United Kingdom), '

Fratton Fred

It's not a term I've heard used (maybe people avoid using it in case they are considered the same way layaliats are) by any of my friends or colleagues who fall on both sides the debate.

kingchess

from my understanding the scots who wish to remain in the UK call themselves unionists and refer to those wishing to become independent as nationalists,whichever way the vote goes I wish them well.

pablomakaveli

Bambi wrote: »

Interesting to see how much the english establishment seem to be afraid of this happening, even the BBC.

The English people however seem to want rid of them is the impression i'm getting over here.

MakeEmLaugh

fryup wrote: »

dividing an island is usually a recipe for disaster...

fryup wrote: »

e.g. Cyprus, Timor, and another place can't think of it at the moment but it begins with I

What's your view on the division of Hispaniola? Should it be united?

Iwasfrozen

MakeEmLaugh wrote: »

What's your view on the division of Hispaniola? Should it be united?

Nevermind Hispanola. I'd love to hear his views on Afro-Eurasia.

mylefttesticle

No way in hell there will be a yes vote for Scottish Independence. Money scares people and regardless of the big talk of how proud they would be of an independent country the lack of clarity over currency will not make it happen.

I saw the debate last night and as impressive as your man was against the utter old boys tool he was debating against he was not clear or even nearly clear on important issues, he actually stunk of '' ah sure it will be grand''

They probably would be ok as an independent state and they would probably thrive in years to come but scaremongering wins political will these days or perhaps it was always like this.

jimgoose

Is there some reason why this isn't being decided at Bannockburn in the old, tried-and-tested fashion??

who the fug

jimgoose wrote: »

Is there some reason why this isn't being decided at Bannockburn in the old, tried-and-tested fashion??

Thanks to 70 years of welfare The Lard asses on both sides can nare longer get off the couch

Iwasfrozen

jimgoose wrote: »

Is there some reason why this isn't being decided at Bannockburn in the old, tried-and-tested fashion??

Yeah because if it was the majority of Scots would be fighting for the English.

swimming in a sea

daviecronin wrote: »

Indeed it will speed things along so quick as all those 'settlers' are Scottish anyway and if theres no 'loyalty' to the crown in their homeland they might finally understand they're essentially foreigners in a foreign land and we can finally have OUR country back

Do you have a consistent view on all emigrant people? If the Scots vote yes should all the Irish be told to head off "home" as well?

or are you just :rolleyes:

Broxi_Bear_Eire

daviecronin wrote: »

Indeed it will speed things along so quick as all those 'settlers' are Scottish anyway and if theres no 'loyalty' to the crown in their homeland they might finally understand they're essentially foreigners in a foreign land and we can finally have OUR country back

Dear oh Dear

Scottie99

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

I think The Scotish will vote to stay in the Union. And it won't be close either. Ther is too much uncertainty and unanswered question. The devil you know, better than the devil you don't

I think your in for a huge shock. Further, I think it's gonna be a big win 60/40 yes. Jesus, this statement could come back to haunt me

comongethappy

Scottie99 wrote: »

I think your in for a huge shock. Further, I think it's gonna be a big win 60/40 yes. Jesus, this statement could come back to haunt me

"Could"?

I hope they do it though.

Scottie99

kingchess wrote: »

from my understanding the scots who wish to remain in the UK call themselves unionists and refer to those wishing to become independent as nationalists,whichever way the vote goes I wish them well.

Nationalist or Separatists as the Unionists call them

Scottie99

comongethappy wrote: »

"Could"?

I hope they do it though.

I've €200 on a yes win. Being Scottish I don't part with my money easily:P
€150 9/2 and €50 @11/2

jimgoose

Scottie99 wrote: »

I've €200 on a yes win. Being Scottish I don't part with my money easily:P

See ye, Jimmy!

A Dub in Glasgo

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