Scottish Independence discussion area

efb

East Ayrshire
y: 39762
N 44,400???

Frito

East Ayrshire

Yes 39762
No 44442
Rejected 58

efb

46% 54% would be a good yes result

efb

Devo max definitely on the way

Fentdog84

when fear triumphs over hope..inspiring

fr336

BBC officially calling it as NO

Joe Doe

Wonder will any of this be reflected in the UKIP's result, wild guess ~ maybe 25-30% in the next main uk election...

fr336

Fentdog84 wrote: »

when fear triumphs over hope..inspiring

I guess the Scots feared a blank page of fear to the terrible but at least guaranteed current fear.

pedro1234

NO needs 425,803 votes to win

pedro1234

fr336 wrote: »

BBC officially projecting it as NO

FYP

Joe Doe

Fentdog84 wrote: »

when fear triumphs over hope..inspiring

Indeed, basic psych boils down to two simple things, either:

- To seek pleasure
- To avoid pain

fr336

Guardian 4:30am edition https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx3iwioCYAE3Y-C.jpg:large

efb

fr336 wrote: »

Guardian 4:30am edition https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx3iwioCYAE3Y-C.jpg:large

Not so bad for Salmond

fr336

Sturgeon on the BBC now

Frito

Nicola Sturgeon on BBC now

NIMAN

... trying to polish a turd.

kneemos

fr336 wrote: »

BBC officially calling it as NO

Paddy Power had a no seven hours ago when I checked.

efb

NIMAN wrote: »

... trying to polish a turd.

45+ a great result for the SNP

jank

Fentdog84 wrote: »

I cant watch anymore of this. Scots are a great, proud nation but infiltrated by too many syncophantic ****ing idiots stuck up the english's arseholes

Sore loser?

pedro1234

Still waiting on:
Highlands
Moray
Aberdeenshire
Argyll and Bute
Edinbrugh
Fife

jank

efb wrote: »

45+ a great result for the SNP

Hang on, I thought the Yes campaign was meant to be a grass roots movement not dominated by the SNP. Thats what people were told before the vote, now they are giving credit to the SNP? Have a cake and eat it?

efb

jank wrote: »

Hang on, I thought the Yes campaign was meant to be a grass roots movement not dominated by the SNP. Thats what people were told before the vote, now they are giving credit to the SNP? Have a cake and eat it?

I AM.

Fentdog84

jank wrote: »

Sore loser?

ha?

banquo

1,220,000 votes to be counted, Yes would need a vast majority of those to pass.

sligeach

Better the Devil you know than jumping into the unknown. The No campaign of fear worked to a tee. Oh Scotland, you've lost your chance of creating something special.

efb

The You Gov poll was v accurate it seems

NIMAN

Obviously enough people feel they are doing well enough not to change things.

That was their choice, I guess we won't know now for a long time if they would have been better off in an independent Scotland or sticking with what they have.

fr336

norman smith ✔ @BBCNormanS
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Sources say new powers for Scottish parliament will be "an extension of existing responsibilities" - not Devo Max #indyref

NIMAN

There'll be some anger about when the promised powers don't materialise!
Politicians don't have a good record of delivering on promises.

efb

Moved to Today on BBC4

KINGVictor

Joe Doe wrote: »

True, and you can't tell 45%circa of population that they can't have another chance or expression of interest in future self-determination at a later stage...

Would you have said the same if the results were reversed? The generality of Scottish people have rejected independence and want to remain part of the UK and I don't see why a lot of people on here seem so sad about that fact.

BlaasForRafa

sligeach wrote: »

Better the Devil you know than jumping into the unknown. The No campaign of fear worked to a tee. Oh Scotland, you've lost your chance of creating something special.

Or people didn't fall for the lies and intimidation from the yes side.

efb

Aberdeenshire
Y: 71,337
N: 108,607?

efb

Edinburgh
y: 123,927
N: 194,638

Officially No

dubscottie

Fife is still missing due ti there feck up!

BlaasForRafa

efb wrote: »

Edinburgh
y: 123,927
N: 194,638

Officially No

That's a thumping win for the no side, more than enough to cancel out the Glasgow vote, it's turning into a convincing margin, it looks like the "silent majority" actually did exist contrary to what the yes side would have told you.

Beefy78

It is official.

efb

Fife make it actually official, fitting considering its GB's heartland

dubscottie

efb wrote: »

Fife make it actually official, fitting considering its GB's heartland

Fife, the heart and on scotland.. NO..

I am happy with the result. Fifers hate wegies and dundonians..
And I am a Fifer!

SharpshooterTom

Highland still to come, whats that expected to be?

BlaasForRafa

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Highland still to come, whats that expected to be?

Irrelevant?

Sarcasm aside, it's probably a yes.

SharpshooterTom

No worries, its projected to be 53% NO from the count there.

Means final result will finish around 44.7%/55.3%

Good result/bad result for YES? Sarcastic answers I know they've lost but is it something they can build on, will that be enough for a second referendum 15-20 years again from now?

namloc1980

NIMAN wrote: »

Obviously enough people feel they are doing well enough not to change things.

That was their choice, I guess we won't know now for a long time if they would have been better off in an independent Scotland or sticking with what they have.

The irony is that with all the talk of the risks Scotland would face as an independent nation including being outside the EU etc, Scotland could find itself forced out of the EU in a couple of years time by English voters. Very few nations get the opportunity to become independent peacefully, fewer still reject that chance. Scotland has joined a very exclusive club. In 1995 Quebec rejected independence on the back of last minute Canadian government promises of greater autonomy....they're still waiting. In fact in 1999 the Canadian government introduced legislation that makes any future referendum almost impossible.

The result is very clear, I just hope Scots don't regret their choice.

BlaasForRafa

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

No worries, its projected to be 53% NO from the count there.

That's interesting because the Highlands is a mainly SNP area.

As for what happens next, the last referendum was in the late 70's wasn't it? This should be it for independance for another 30 years at least plus if there are no more discoveries of oil in the North Sea then the economic argument will get even more difficult for the yes side.

clappyhappy

Delighted with the result, but those that voted Yes have to be listened to also.

Beefy78

namloc1980 wrote: »

The irony is that with all the talk of the risks Scotland would face as an independent nation including being outside the EU etc, Scotland could find itself forced out of the EU in a couple of years time by English voters. Very few nations get the opportunity to become independent peacefully, fewer still reject that chance. Scotland has joined a very exclusive club. In 1995 Quebec rejected independence on the back of last minute Canadian government promises of greater autonomy....they're still waiting. In fact in 1999 the Canadian government introduced legislation that makes any future referendum almost impossible.

The result is very clear, I just hope Scots don't regret their choice.

This is misleading though.... Scotland voluntarily entered into the Union in the early 18th Century and has never expressed a particular desire to end that Union up until the last couple of months.

Scotland isn't a colony. It wasn't invaded.

Scotland can become independent whenever it wants to.

namloc1980

Beefy78 wrote: »

This is misleading though.... Scotland voluntarily entered into the Union in the early 18th Century and has never expressed a particular desire to end that Union up until the last couple of months.

Scotland isn't a colony. It wasn't invaded.

Scotland can become independent whenever it wants to.

No it can't. Any future referendum would require the consent of the UK government just like this one required consent from Westminster.

cloudatlas

Oh. They'll be insufferable now.

A Dub in Glasgo

Gutted

La_Gordy

Gutted.