Scottish Independence discussion area

snubbleste

The referendum campaign was pretty divisive, therefore you'd expect denizens to be battle weary and keep the status quo. But no, apparently Cameron and his policies are shifting opinions into the YES camp.

Also telling is the massive popularity that Sturgeon has maintained personally, in addition to the wider SNP

eire4

snubbleste wrote: »

The referendum campaign was pretty divisive, therefore you'd expect denizens to be battle weary and keep the status quo. But no, apparently Cameron and his policies are shifting opinions into the YES camp.

Also telling is the massive popularity that Sturgeon has maintained personally, in addition to the wider SNP

There is also the impending EU referendum to consider. If Britain votes to leave the EU I think it is a dead cert that Scotland will vote to leave Britain and seek to rejoin so to speak the EU.

Iwasfrozen

snubbleste wrote: »

A year after the referendum. A poll shows that a majority would vote YES to Independence if another poll was held.
53% of Scots would vote for independence if ballot held now

Tough cookies. They won't get another vote anytime soon.

Iwasfrozen

eire4 wrote: »

There is also the impending EU referendum to consider. If Britain votes to leave the EU I think it is a dead cert that Scotland will vote to leave Britain and seek to rejoin so to speak the EU.

Scotland won't get a referendum to vote in. If the UK democratically decides to leave the EU then the UK will leave the EU.

eire4

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Scotland won't get a referendum to vote in. If the UK democratically decides to leave the EU then the UK will leave the EU.

Your right if Britain votes to leave the EU then that is what they will do. However the Scottish Nationalists have made it very clear if this happens this will bring forward another referendum on Scotland leaving Britain.

dd972

Interesting that Glasgow pretty much overwhelmingly voted Yes, Rangers supporters had a pro-independence campaign and Loyalists from the North who went over there before the vote were given short shrift as well. a healthy sign that maybe a lot of Scots have woken up to the British con trick otherwise known as sectarianism.

I think it'll happen in 15-25 years, Saor Alba!

Fratton Fred

Britain won't vote to leave the EU.

The Scottish will be very bullish now after the referendum as they realise what making noises about leaving can get them.

The SNP are going to behave like spoilt children throughout the term of this government, so I say let the English vote on Scottish independence and get rid of the devils in skirts once and for all.

Wurzelbert

sadly, scottish independence is dead…the scots - voters in scotland more like - blew it when they had the chance…

Crooked Jack

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Tough cookies. They won't get another vote anytime soon.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Scotland won't get a referendum to vote in. If the UK democratically decides to leave the EU then the UK will leave the EU.

This sounds more like wishful thinking on your part. If there is a demand for it then theres not really anything stopping the scots from pushing for another one

BoJack Horseman

Wurzelbert wrote: »

sadly, scottish independence is dead…the scots - voters in scotland more like - blew it when they had the chance…

Indeed, the Scots didn't blow it.
The 400,000 English residents in scotland that voted swung the day.

Wurzelbert

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Indeed, the Scots didn't blow it.
The 400,000 English residents in scotland that voted swung the day.

yes, so what now?

BoJack Horseman

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Britain won't vote to leave the EU.

Would have agreed Fred.... But circumstances change.

We currently have 120,000 migrants flooding into the EU monthly.... With violent scenes of a huge mob demanding (not asking) free passage as they please in Budapest....

The UK are sensibly taking a wait & see approach yet taking flak for it.

The migrant free-for-all could be a tipping point.

BoJack Horseman

Wurzelbert wrote: »

yes, so what now?

Not exactly my decision Wurzle!

I imagine if the winds favour it, the SNP will have another go in the next Holyrood parliament.

Iwasfrozen

eire4 wrote: »

Your right if Britain votes to leave the EU then that is what they will do. However the Scottish Nationalists have made it very clear if this happens this will bring forward another referendum on Scotland leaving Britain.

They don't have that power.

Iwasfrozen

Crooked Jack wrote: »

This sounds more like wishful thinking on your part. If there is a demand for it then theres not really anything stopping the scots from pushing for another one

They can push for it but that's all they can do.

eire4

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

They don't have that power.

So you say but nonetheless the Scottish Nationalists have been very clear in saying they will go for another independance referendum if Britain votes to leave the EU and or if Britain continues to back track on devo max.

Crooked Jack

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

They can push for it but that's all they can do.

Yes, "that's all" the government of the country at the behest of the people can do

Iwasfrozen

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Yes, "that's all" the government of the country at the behest of the people can do

The government of the country at the behest of the people resides in Westminster.

As for the Scottish parliament they would need Westminster permission to hold a referendum. Polls are irrelevant.

Crooked Jack

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The government of the country at the behest of the people resides in Westminster.

As for the Scottish parliament they would need Westminster permission to hold a referendum. Polls are irrelevant.

The will of the people being irrelevant is exactly what will bring more and more scots to the yes side so by all means do keep this attitude up

Crooked Jack

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The government of the country at the behest of the people resides in Westminster.

As for the Scottish parliament they would need Westminster permission to hold a referendum. Polls are irrelevant.

Also, westminster, isnt that the parliament where all but two of the scottish representatives are pro-independence?

Iwasfrozen

Crooked Jack wrote: »

The will of the people being irrelevant is exactly what will bring more and more scots to the yes side so by all means do keep this attitude up

Oh? Unless the polls can influence the Prime Minister of the day to sanction a referendum they are irrelevant.

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Also, westminster, isnt that the parliament where all but two of the scottish representatives are pro-independence?

Yep that's the one. The one that needs to grant permission for a referendum.

Crooked Jack

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Oh? Unless the polls can influence the Prime Minister of the day to sanction a referendum they are irrelevant.


Yep that's the one. The one that needs to grant permission for a referendum.

See this? This is why the second referendum is practically guaranteed

Iwasfrozen

Crooked Jack wrote: »

See this? This is why the second referendum is practically guaranteed

At some stage. But not this generation. A referendum will only happen with the PM's consent.

Crooked Jack

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

At some stage. But not this generation. A referendum will only happen with the PM's consent.

My god. Youll actually never learn :rolleyes:

Id say round 2 within the next 10 years would be a safe bet

Iwasfrozen

Crooked Jack wrote: »

My god. Youll actually never learn :rolleyes:

Id say round 2 within the next 10 years would be a safe bet

If I were a gambler I'd take that bet.

tayto lover

They chickened out the last time so they don't deserve another chance.

eire4

awec wrote: »

Don't confuse a vote for the SNP as a vote for pro-independence. It wasn't their stance on independence that got them all those ex-Labour voters.

Certainly the first past the post system played a part in the vote being such a Scottish Nationalist landslide. But the fact remains the sweeping victory for the Scottish Nationalists was further momentum for the independence movement in Scotland.

Happyman42

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

If I were a gambler I'd take that bet.

If you are sure of yourself you wouldn't be 'gambling' would you?

Iwasfrozen

Happyman42 wrote: »

If you are sure of yourself you wouldn't be 'gambling' would you?

You would. Because nothing can ever be certain. you can be %99.999~ but never %100

tayto lover

tayto lover wrote: »

They chickened out the last time so they don't deserve another chance.

It was more to do with the threat by several major employers to pull out and the fear of a collapse in the value of (sterling based) pensions, that changed the minds of many "fence sitters".

Saadyst

What would iScotland's response be in the face of the massive collapse in oil prices, that was meant to prop up the massive spending the SNP promised?

Happyman42

Saadyst wrote: »

What would iScotland's response be in the face of the massive collapse in oil prices, that was meant to prop up the massive spending the SNP promised?

Apple own Scotland?

Boom_Bap

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