Deonte Wilder "The Bronze Bomber"

Henno30

He's not a troll FFS.

The guy is mentally ill. The whole situation is an embarrassment.

walshb

Henno30 wrote: »

He's not a troll FFS.

The guy is mentally ill. The whole situation is an embarrassment.

If that is the case it makes the situation even more alarming and disturbing. Somebody(s) is entertaining and encouraging this guy.

The Mig

Zelenoff supposedly used repeated racial slurs and also slagged Wilder's daughter who has Spina Bifida. That's trolling IMO.
Wilder was in a fit of rage in the video and was basically looking to knock his head clean off.
Do people honestly think Wilder would approach a fellow pro heavyweight in a bout like he did against Zelenoff?

People suggesting that he wont be a world champion on the basis of that video really need to have a look at themselves!

Johner

The Mig wrote: »

Zelenoff supposedly used repeated racial slurs and also slagged Wilder's daughter who has Spina Bifida. That's trolling IMO.
Wilder was in a fit of rage in the video and was basically looking to knock his head clean off.

So you think inviting Zelenoff into the gym for a fight was the right thing to do? As much as Wilder wanted to beat him up doing what he did was wrong. He should have went to the police, not invite the mental case into the gym to throw digs at him no matter how angry he was.

walshb

The Mig wrote: »

People suggesting that he wont be a world champion on the basis of that video really need to have a look at themselves!

Exactly what I am thinking. The altercation was over before it began, and as mentioned by you, and me, Wilder was filled with rage. He wasn't focusing on giving some sort of technical master class.

walshb

Johner wrote: »

So you think inviting Zelenoff into the gym for a fight was the right thing to do? As much as Wilder wanted to beat him up doing what he did was wrong. He should have went to the police, not invite the mental case into the gym to throw digs at him no matter how angry he was.

Agreed. This sort of activity is bad for the sport. It's bad, period!

Senor Frog

The worst bit of the whole thing was the cheap shot wilder threw to his downed opponent . If he had connected with that it would have nothing short of assault

AdolfHipster

Think any point worth talking about in the HW division is a positive given that it has died a death over the past few years with Klitscko dominance and lack of high quality opposition - so in that sense I see why people like Wilder. For me though, I can't take notice until he stops fighting taxi-drivers. I like his kill or be killed style and his power but my god does he have an diabolicle eggshell chin.

It'll be fun while it lasts for him. Until a notable puncher in the HW division knocks him into a post-apocolyptic future.

Johnnythefox4

Jesus, that was like Drederick Tatum vs Homer Simpson :pac:

TBH though Wlad vs Wilder is the only heavyweight fight that I would be excited about

Dublin Red Devil

Johnnythefox4 wrote: »

Jesus, that was like Drederick Tatum vs Homer Simpson :pac:

TBH though Wlad vs Wilder is the only heavyweight fight that I would be excited about

Yeah. I think it would be huge. Wilder v Klitschko especially if the fight could be made in America,

coronaextra

pac_man wrote: »

I know the guy he's fighting looks like a fat middleweight but I thought this knockout was classy.

Classy Knockout??? it would be an insult to bums to call that opponent a bum.

Just looked up the video and it was 4 years ago. I was worried this was the caliber of opponent wilder is fighting to prepare for the step up to Klitschko :pac:

Dublin Red Devil

9 days out for his big night

32 fights 32 wins 32 Knockouts

Soon to be Heavyweight champion of the world, I predict by Knockout again inside 4 rounds

Dublin Red Devil

Stiverne V Wilder
WBC World Heavyweight Championship
January 17 2015
MGM Grand Las Vegas

Talib Fiasco

Wilder's only chance is catching Stiverne inside two rounds. Stiverne will take over pretty easily after weathering the storm and will most likely knock out Wilder as Wilder isn't the best at taking a punch. I hope Wilder wins, I just cannot see it happening

Dublin Red Devil

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Wilder's only chance is catching Stiverne inside two rounds. Stiverne will take over pretty easily after weathering the storm and will most likely knock out Wilder as Wilder isn't the best at taking a punch. I hope Wilder wins, I just cannot see it happening

I believe Wilder will win this fight. I agree that the longer it lasts, the harder it will be for him. But I think he will come prepared for this and win by KO in the early rounds.

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

How in the name of God did Wilder land a world title shot when his toughest opponent to date on paper was Malik Scott and Scott was coming off a knock out loss from Chisora? Is this a voluntary defence or is it just the clout that surrounds Haymon fighters.

Welcome to pro boxing..... Where have you been?

He's mandatory challenger with WBC. I don't think he is rated high by the WBA, but he is rated by the WBO.

Dublin Red Devil

Yeah he's the mandatory challenger. Plus you could also say that it is in the interest the heavyweight division and the whole of boxing that an American heavyweight with a brash and charismatic personality is fighting in Vegas for the World championship.

barney4001

the very limited Demetrice King beat Stiverne in 4 rounds cannot see him lasting beyond 2 against wilder

Big Ears

barney4001 wrote: »

the very limited Demetrice King beat Stiverne in 4 rounds cannot see him lasting beyond 2 against wilder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoJubjV8ETo

Almost 8 years ago and it was a very premature stoppage imo, Stiverne was a little gassed but not really hurt imo. He was winning the fight, and had dropped the iron chinned King before the refs intervention. So I don't think you can take much from that.
What you could take more from is the fact Stiverne has beat 2 much higher calibre fighters than King, in Chris Arreola (x2) and the underated Ray Austin.

Stiverne is technically a much better fighter but he's got two major problems here. One is the height & reach advantage of Wilder, and the 2nd is Stiverne's tendency to shell up or stand in from of a guy and not do too much. It's moments like that, guy could see Wilder's looping right hand do a lot of damage.
It's a hard fight to call in terms of a winner, but I'd be very surprised if we don't get a stoppage here.

Talib Fiasco

On of the worst stoppages I have ever seen in my life. Up there with Taylor/Chavez.

walshb

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

On of the worst stoppages I have ever seen in my life. Up there with Taylor/Chavez.

It was not. The referee was watching closely. Stiverne was taking too many unanswered and clean shots. What is the ref meant to do?

megadodge

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

On of the worst stoppages I have ever seen in my life. Up there with Taylor/Chavez.

I agree that that was a very bad stoppage. Stiverne was NOT in trouble. Ok he had taken a few punches, but didn't wobble and was actually punching back when the ref stepped in.

However, I strongly disagree with you about Taylor/Chavez. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind if it was the Mexican who was stopped late by the American everybody would have forgotten about it now, but of course the Yanks love to whinge. Taylor had been floored very heavily, struggled to his feet, didn't respond to the ref's instructions and was stopped. The time gone in the fight really has no bearing in it. As it turned out Taylor had swallowed a huge amount of his own blood, had numerous stiches, had a badly swollen face and damaged ribs, plus he was never the same after that fight, which in my eyes suggests Richard Steele knew what he was doing when he stopped it. But even besides that, to suggest it was at the same level as that Stiverne stoppage is exaggerating it quite a bit, do you not think?

megadodge

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

Yeah he's the mandatory challenger. Plus you could also say that it is in the interest the heavyweight division and the whole of boxing that an American heavyweight with a brash and charismatic personality is fighting in Vegas for the World championship.

I think it's in the interest of the Americans and nobody else. Who gives a sh!t where the heavyweight champ is from. More American whinging, but the truth is the rest of the world has not only caught up, but passed them out, it's time for them to step up a level or two.

Personally I think Wilder is the 2014 version of Michael Grant, a carefully created American heavyweight, moved to a title shot with what looked like impeccable timing, except Grant had actually beaten a few good fighters to get there, unlike Wilder. Only problem is, Stiverne ain't no Lennox.

It's a fight unlikely to go the distance, either Wilder early or Stiverne in 7-9. Neither possess a threat to Vlad, unless he gets very, very careless against Wilder.

Dublin Red Devil

Well Vegas is the mecca of professional boxing. The heavyweight division has been ruined by Vlad an Vitali. They have taken heavyweight boxing out of Vegas/NY buy fight bums out in Germany. Heavyweight needs guys like Wilder like Bryant Jennings maybe, to at least try to bring HW back from over 10 years of obscurity

gene_tunney

The Taylor/Chavez stoppage was a good stoppage. Taylor looking over at his corner and not responding to the referee. If the fighter doesn't respond you stop the fight regardless of how much time is left.

megadodge

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

Well Vegas is the mecca of professional boxing. The heavyweight division has been ruined by Vlad an Vitali. They have taken heavyweight boxing out of Vegas/NY buy fight bums out in Germany. Heavyweight needs guys like Wilder like Bryant Jennings maybe, to at least try to bring HW back from over 10 years of obscurity

So they should have fought those "bums" in Vegas? How would that have changed boxing in the last 10 years? They fought and beat every top contender out there. Where they did it is irrelevant.

For the vast majority of boxing history, heavyweight boxing has been so-so. Occasional exceptions like the 1970s are rare. On a fight by fight basis, heavyweights are the least exciting boxers out there.

Dublin Red Devil

megadodge wrote: »

So they should have fought those "bums" in Vegas? How would that have changed boxing in the last 10 years? They fought and beat every top contender out there. Where they did it is irrelevant.

For the vast majority of boxing history, heavyweight boxing has been so-so. Occasional exceptions like the 1970s are rare. On a fight by fight basis, heavyweights are the least exciting boxers out there.

I agree HW has had it's down periods in boxing history, particularly in the last 10 years. But in my mind HW has always been the prime division that people want to embrace. When there are stars out there other than 2 Ukrainians with no personality.

walshb

Part of the Klits problem over the years has been their utter dominance. Another part is the robotic and stiff look to them. They could have great personalities, but they seem to be perceived as robots.

megadodge

When you look at it objectively, the Klitchkos are white, highly intelligent, genuinely decent people who always come to the ring in fantastic shape and have been utterly dominant fighters who draw massive crowds in Europe.

It's very obvious what the so-called "problem" is - they're not American!

It really is that simple. Could you imagine the hype if they were?

DK224

As much as I would like to buy into the Wilder hype I have severe doubts about him when he is eventually forced on the backfoot. There is no doubting his power but he is so wild and open when he attacks that I could see easily him folding against someone who fires back.

I don't know if Stiverne is that guy but he is tough, durable, has a decent punch and is by far Deontays biggest test. I will be having a nibble on the 2/1 price on the Stiverne stoppage win.