The Dublin West 2014 By-Election Thread

oblivious

chucknorris wrote: »

Regarding myself, sure i've been doing more work in Corduff and Mulhuddart than most councillors for 15 years - without any wage for it :-)

So are you throwing your hat into the ring then?

chucknorris

oblivious wrote: »

So are you throwing your hat into the ring then?

Nah I don't think so. By becoming elected, you are open to abuse and bullying. I would also have to curb my opinions and I couldn't operate like that. I'm very outspoken. :-)

Some of the bullying and harassment that my family have received from the Shinners via Twitter and p.ie in recent months has been out of order.
It's not the candidate that does it, but the toerags that surround them here in Dublin west.

Life is good for me at the moment and 17k a year is not worth that hassle in my life.

Garrigai

Similar to this?

http://www.theliberal.ie/would-be-labour-councillor-martina-genockey-canvassing-in-jobstown-today-literally-runs-from-constituents-questions/

Not a Labour voter but this is out of order

chucknorris

Garrigai wrote: »

Similar to this?

http://www.theliberal.ie/would-be-labour-councillor-martina-genockey-canvassing-in-jobstown-today-literally-runs-from-constituents-questions/

Not a Labour voter but this is out of order

I watched that last night on FB and I thought the behavior was disgraceful. The man in question behind the video is well known. He is aligned to multiple groups (including the socialists) etc.

I don't mind people's views on individual parties etc, but what happened there is interfering with democracy. If anyone wants to canvass etc, they should be without that harassment.

In fairness David never received any sort of abuse on the streets in Dublin west. It's online targeted bullying and harassment from a select few who troll daily.

oblivious

chucknorris wrote: »

Some of the bullying and harassment that my family have received from the Shinners via Twitter and p.ie in recent months has been out of order.
It's not the candidate that does it, but the toerags that surround them here in Dublin west..

That's completely out of order

athtrasna

With nominations closing on Friday for the locals, surely a candidate can withdraw before then and not feature on the ballot paper even if already nominated? Bye election writ due to be moved tomorrow

chucknorris

athtrasna wrote: »

With nominations closing on Friday for the locals, surely a candidate can withdraw before then and not feature on the ballot paper even if already nominated? Bye election writ due to be moved tomorrow

Not too sure. When David signed yesterday at 1pm, the council mentioned that he could re-nominate another before Friday, but I doubt there is anyone to nominate. His deadline was yesterday (in fact all from his party) was yesterday.

Something interesting has arisen. The socialists have questioned that should they win the by-election, they feel if it's their candidate, that all their first preferences in the locals should be given immediately down to their 2, 3's and 4's (assuming it'll be the AAA candidates (anti-austerity alliance).

The local authorities feel the two elections are processed separately, and should one win the by-election, it simply means they don't take up their seat on council, but are seeking legal advice.

On a final matter, I felt the lack of Dennison posters would suggest he was waiting for the outcome of the FG convention for the by-election before committing. Apparently Coughlin is running in the by-election but Dennison has still not stated anything. Perhaps he may go independent on the council?

ThisRegard

I can't believe they're trying to pull that stroke. They want to transfer votes from a person that may win the by election to their candidates in the local election ? They're unbelievable. Say for example they had a person finishing second, would they also expect to be able to have all their other candidates withdraw and transfer their votes to the one remaining person in order to have that person jump into first?

I've yet to see any canvassing anyway, I think they spent all their energy littering with their posters.

chucknorris

ThisRegard wrote: »

I can't believe they're trying to pull that stroke. They want to transfer votes from a person that may win the by election to their candidates in the local election ? They're unbelievable. Say for example they had a person finishing second, would they also expect to be able to have all their other candidates withdraw and transfer their votes to the one remaining person in order to have that person jump into first?

I've yet to see any canvassing anyway, I think they spent all their energy littering with their posters.

Hugh monies have gone in to the campaign for Paul Murphy. If the opinion polls are to be believed, they're in trouble on that front.

In fairness they do well in Dubiln west, but does the AA thing dilute the brand?

Morag

"but does the AA thing dilute the brand"
I think it does.

Garrigai

When will we have a confirmed list of candidates?

Godge

chucknorris wrote: »

Something interesting has arisen. The socialists have questioned that should they win the by-election, they feel if it's their candidate, that all their first preferences in the locals should be given immediately down to their 2, 3's and 4's (assuming it'll be the AAA candidates (anti-austerity alliance).

The local authorities feel the two elections are processed separately, and should one win the by-election, it simply means they don't take up their seat on council, but are seeking legal advice.

Easy solution to that - count the local election results first.

You cannot withdraw from the council until you are elected T.D. If you are elected councillor first then there is no issue with the council ballot.

Larbre34

Citywest conference centre is going to be a busy spot on count day, 120 council seats, the by-election and half the votes for Dublin MEPs.

Firstly the ballot boxes will be opened, tallied and the submitted ballot accounts verified. Then the votes will be separated and sent off to be counted in parallel in the different races. The issue of whether someone is deemed elected first to a Council seat or to the vacant Dáil seat will probably come down to coincidental timing

athtrasna

Larbre34 wrote: »

Firstly the ballot boxes will be opened, tallied and the submitted ballot accounts verified. Then the votes will be separated and sent off to be counted in parallel in the different races. /quote]
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MEP counts not until the Sunday. Has there been confirmation that the bye-election count is definitely happening Saturday?

jjbrien

Can someone tell me who exactly is running in this by-election im very confused i see all the posters up but cant really figure out who is running for what.

athtrasna

jjbrien wrote: »

Can someone tell me who exactly is running in this by-election im very confused i see all the posters up but cant really figure out who is running for what.

Full list not selected yet, FG candidate not confirmed til next week

Zaph

Closing date for nominations is 10th May, so not all have been confirmed yet. So far the confirmed candidates are:

Fianna Fail
David McGuinness

Sinn Fein
Paul Donnelly

Labour Party
Loraine Mulligan

Socialist Party
Ruth Coppinger

Independents/Others
David Hall

I'll add the list to the OP.

I think it's interesting that Ruth Coppinger is running for the council under the Anti-Austerity Alliance banner, but for the Dáil as a Socialist Party candidate. Obviously they feel that the AAA brand might not be as vote friendly for the Dáil seat, but that hopefully she has enough name recognition that she might be able to drag another candidate with her onto the council regardless of the party. She'd definitely be hoping to pick up both so that one of the others can be co-opted onto the council in her place. Not that I'd ever be cynical about the Socialist Party election strategy...

chucknorris

Zaph wrote: »

Closing date for nominations is 10th May, so not all have been confirmed yet. So far the confirmed candidates are:

Fianna Fail
David McGuinness

Sinn Fein
Paul Donnelly

Labour Party
Loraine Mulligan

Socialist Party
Ruth Coppinger

Independents/Others
David Hall

I'll add the list to the OP.

I think it's interesting that Ruth Coppinger is running for the council under the Anti-Austerity Alliance banner, but for the Dáil as a Socialist Party candidate. Obviously they feel that the AAA brand might not be as vote friendly for the Dáil seat, but that hopefully she has enough name recognition that she might be able to drag another candidate with her onto the council regardless of the party. She'd definitely be hoping to pick up both so that one of the others can be co-opted onto the council in her place. Not that I'd ever be cynical about the Socialist Party election strategy...

Paul Murphy, the Socialist European candidate has completely abandoned his Euro campaign to work on the bye-election campaign.

Grudaire

Eamonn Coghlan is running for Fine Gael: http://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-west-by-election-eamonn-coghlan-1451400-May2014/?utm_source=twitter_self

He'll definitely pull some votes for FG..

Sully

chucknorris wrote: »

Paul Murphy, the Socialist European candidate has completely abandoned his Euro campaign to work on the bye-election campaign.

Source? He was on theJournal today looking for publicity as the Sheriff called to his office apparently.

Morag

chucknorris wrote: »

Paul Murphy, the Socialist European candidate has completely abandoned his Euro campaign to work on the bye-election campaign.

Got a link to that?

ThisRegard

Eamonn Coghlan's hat was thrown in to the ring last night.

Zaph

ThisRegard wrote: »

Eamonn Coghlan's hat was thrown in to the ring last night.

Already added to the list in the OP

folan

his posters were already up this morning!

LoonyLovegood

It was rather obvious the convention was just a formality, tbf. Disappointed for Dennison though, I was on the Fingal Comhairle na nÓg a few years back and even then it was obvious he was doing a lot of work for the area.

oblivious

folan wrote: »

his posters were already up this morning!

yes saw them too, but has he done much in the area or Seanad?

oblivious

I saw Leo Varadkar having a deep conversion with someone in the car park of Molloys on Monday evening, I wounder was the decision to run with Coghlan been made then ?

Finglas Incubus

CTYIgirl wrote: »

Disappointed for Dennison though

Perhaps I missed it but did he disclose an interest in running for the by-election?

oblivious wrote:

yes saw them too, but has he done much in the area or Seanad?

From memory, his efforts have been largely sports orientated (no surprise) but I don't recollect i what initiatives he was involved with in the general area, perhaps others have a view.

ciaran76

All I remember of Eamonn Coghlan is that he suggested people use their passport number to post on social media sites and of course his running.

Kiwi_knock

From what I heard, Coghlan has been looking to run for a seat in Dublin West since he joined the party. I am surprised Leo is ok with him running, there will not be two seats for FG in the next general election so I doubt he would want to compete against a well known name like Coghlan.

Lorraine Mulligan's posters have the tiniest and most transparent Labour logo on them.

Also John Frank Kidd (ran in bye-election last time) has posters up so he is running again.