Are "social smokers" just kidding themselves?

cloud493

Smoking is fecking delicious, screw you guys.

BurnsCarpenter

MrMac84 wrote: »

I don't know how anyone who used smoke quits and that starts socially smoking. Surely you'd want too smoke again full time then

I went from full time (15 years), to fully off them (for about 3 or 4 months), to part-time for around 4 years now. It's surprisingly do-able. I don't even think about having one during the week, but I have to have one as soon as I'm out. Or even on the way to the pub.

tbh, I'm pretty sure there's still some level of addiction and I'd probably be smoking like a trooper if there was no wife/kids.

Legs.Eleven

I quit in February 2009 but when I'm really baloobas, I take a drag (two puffs max!) from a person's cigarette once on a night out (I'm not a big goer-outer at the moment). I would hate to be classed as a smoker for taking two drags out of a cigarette every 3 or so weeks.

The Pheasant2

I might have the odd cig on a night out but I've never bought cigarettes nor am I addicted to nicotine.

I guess that would make me a social smoker.

For me, calling someone a "smoker" implies they smoke habitually

The Backwards Man

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I quit in February 2009 but when I'm really baloobas, I take a drag (two puffs max!) from a person's cigarette once on a night out (I'm not a big goer-outer at the moment). I would hate to be classed as a smoker for taking two drags out of a cigarette every 3 or so weeks.

When you get up the next day, would you not feel the same from those couple of drags as you would after smoking twenty?

Legs.Eleven

The Backwards Man wrote: »

When you get up the next day, would you not feel the same from those couple of drags as you would after smoking twenty?

Ah come on, Backwards Man! No!


Edit: Btw, you're talking to the woman who, just before she quit, smoked 40 fags on a night out. Smokes were cheap here and the ban hadn't come in yet.

The Backwards Man

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Ah come on, Backwards Man! No!


Edit: Btw, you're talking to the woman who, just before she quit, smoked 40 fags on a night out.

I used to smoke as many as that myself in another life, and if I had so much as a drag now I'd have the same mouth like an ashtray taste in my as if I had smoked a whole box.

Legs.Eleven

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I used to smoke as many as that myself in another life, and if I had so much as a drag now I'd have the same mouth like an ashtray taste in my as if I had smoked a whole box.

I was coughing and wheezing the following morning barely able to breath when I smoked full boxes but a drag (although the taste was rotten), would barely register.



I'm not a bleedin' smoker, roi? :mad::P:):D:o:pac::cool:

The Backwards Man

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I was coughing and wheezing the following morning barely able to breath when I smoked full boxes but a drag (although the taste was rotten), would barely register.



I'm not a bleedin' smoker, roi? :mad::P:):D:o:pac::cool:

I never had a cough (more's the pity, might have put me off them sooner) so the taste and the stale smell are what I get that I see no difference in.

Hate the bastards.

Legs.Eleven

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I never had a cough (more's the pity, might have put me off them sooner) so the taste and the stale smell are what I get that I see no difference in.

Hate the bastards.

I do feel very guilty the next morning after having a drag though. I'm going to quit doing that. Don't know why I do it. I feel full of the divilment when I'm drunk, you see.

I Heart Internet

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I quit in February 2009 but when I'm really baloobas, I take a drag (two puffs max!) from a person's cigarette once on a night out (I'm not a big goer-outer at the moment). I would hate to be classed as a smoker for taking two drags out of a cigarette every 3 or so weeks.

But you are a smoker! Embrace it.

I Heart Internet

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Edit: Btw, you're talking to the woman who, just before she quit, smoked 40 fags on a night out. Smokes were cheap here and the ban hadn't come in yet.

Did you smoke them 3 at a time?

turnikett1

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Ah come on, Backwards Man! No!


Edit: Btw, you're talking to the woman who, just before she quit, smoked 40 fags on a night out. Smokes were cheap here and the ban hadn't come in yet.

I have to say that's pretty gross. When I smoked I would easily smoke 20 on a night out, if I was particularly fúcked and kept going till the next morning - say 12pm - then maybe about 30. But 40 on a night? :eek: It's hard not to imagine your saliva pretty much being phlegm the day after!

I Heart Internet

turnikett1 wrote: »

I have to say that's pretty gross. When I smoked I would easily smoke 20 on a night out, if I was particularly fúcked and kept going till the next morning - say 12pm - then maybe about 30. But 40 on a night? :eek: It's hard not to imagine your saliva pretty much being phlegm just ash the day after!

40 is impressive alright.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euI3v2jpTlI

WellThen?

No one is saying they DON'T smoke, they are saying they are social SMOKERS. Your real problem OP is them telling you that they don't feel addicted, which is none of your business really so get over it.

For example i drink, if i was addicted to alcohol i would say i am an alcoholic, but i do not feel addicted so i say i DRINK SOCIALLY, Get it?

MRnotlob606

smokers are stock brokers

I Heart Internet

WellThen? wrote: »

No one is saying they DON'T smoke, they are saying they are social SMOKERS. Your real problem OP is them telling you that they don't feel addicted, which is none of your business really so get over it.

For example i drink, if i was addicted to alcohol i would say i am an alcoholic, but i do not feel addicted so i say i DRINK SOCIALLY, Get it?

Yeah. You're a drinker. So am I.

GenieOz

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Yeah. You're a drinker. So am I.

I really don't get what your point is?
Are you just annoyed that someone called you a smoker and now you want to point out that plenty of people are smokers and just don't realise it?

If someone smoked one fag 5 years ago, does that make them a smoker?

OldNotWIse

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I quit in February 2009 but when I'm really baloobas, I take a drag (two puffs max!) from a person's cigarette once on a night out (I'm not a big goer-outer at the moment). I would hate to be classed as a smoker for taking two drags out of a cigarette every 3 or so weeks.

Smoker!

I Heart Internet

GenieOz wrote: »

I really don't get what your point is?
Are you just annoyed that someone called you a smoker and now you want to point out that plenty of people are smokers and just don't realise it?

If someone smoked one fag 5 years ago, does that make them a smoker?

I'm not a smoker.

I like the health insurance idea someone mentioned a few pages back - that for health insurance purposes, you're only a non-smoker if you have had zero smokes in 2 years.

So I would say no, your 5 year example person is not a smoker.

GenieOz

I Heart Internet wrote: »

I'm not a smoker.

I like the health insurance idea someone mentioned a few pages back - that for health insurance purposes, you're only a non-smoker if you have had zero smokes in 2 years.

So I would say no, your 5 year example person is not a smoker.

Ok, so lets say they go out 20 times drinking and don't smoke, then say last week they had 3 fags when they drank.

Are they a smoker?

I Heart Internet

GenieOz wrote: »

Ok, so lets say they go out 20 times drinking and don't smoke, then say last week they had 3 fags when they drank.

Are they a smoker?

Yep. Definetly.

GenieOz

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Yep. Definetly.

lol, would ya ever stop.

so how long do they have to not smoke before they're considered not a smoker again?

I Heart Internet

GenieOz wrote: »

lol, would ya ever stop.

so how long do they have to not smoke before they're considered not a smoker again?

About 2 years (according to Health Insurance people, so I hear).

A non-smoker would simply not have smoked last week. How could you not be a smoker if you smoked last week?

If you smoke, you're a smoker.

GenieOz

I Heart Internet wrote: »

About 2 years (according to Health Insurance people, so I hear).

A non-smoker would simply not have smoked last week. How could you not be a smoker if you smoked last week?

If you smoke, you're a smoker.

and if you drive a car once on a lesson you're a driver, right?
mental logic.


regular smoker =/= social smoker.

I Heart Internet

GenieOz wrote: »

and if you drive a car once on a lesson you're a driver, right?
mental logic.


regular smoker =/= social smoker.

Regular Smoker = Smoker

Social Smoker = Smoker

The only difference is frequency.

I Heart Internet

Sums it up nicely:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8762zEOkSo

harry Bailey esq

I Heart Internet wrote: »

I think they're kidding themselves.

nope,not kidding themselves,kidding everyone else. People who refer to themselves as social smokers generally don't buy their own cigarettes,and bum everyone elses.Quite an antisocial thing to do as opposed to social

dundalkfc10

Your surely taking the piss?

My mother is off the cigarettes hasnt had 1 in about 14 months, so she is still a smoker?

But My dad has been off them about 25 years but has odd one when pissed (Sat night there he had a few pulls of one of my fags) is a smoker too?

What about my 16 year old brother who tried one last year (so he told me) and hated it, He a smoker too because its not 2 years?

Holsten

Yes they are.

They are idiots.

GenieOz

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Your surely taking the piss?

My mother is off the cigarettes hasnt had 1 in about 14 months, so she is still a smoker?

But My dad has been off them about 25 years but has odd one when pissed (Sat night there he had a few pulls of one of my fags) is a smoker too?

What about my 16 year old brother who tried one last year (so he told me) and hated it, He a smoker too because its not 2 years?

Fact.
That's the logic we're working with here.

Greenmachine

Herself only smoke when we have a drink which might only be every 2-3 weeks sometimes less often. I on the other hand, smoke 2-3 cigs a day, once a month when I play poker, I have a pouch of snus.

WellThen?

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Yeah. You're a drinker. So am I.

Did you read my post you quoted ? It's not a difficult concept. I'd explain it again but I imagine your reply will be as riveting.

I Heart Internet

WellThen? wrote: »

Did you read my post you quoted ? It's not a difficult concept. I'd explain it again but I imagine your reply will be as riveting.

A drinker is not an alcoholic. A drinker is a drinker. Just like a smoker is a smoker.

I Heart Internet

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

My mother is off the cigarettes hasnt had 1 in about 14 months, so she is still a smoker?

She's almost a non-smoker so. Fair play to her. Hope she's seeing the benefit of it.

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

But My dad has been off them about 25 years but has odd one when pissed (Sat night there he had a few pulls of one of my fags) is a smoker too?

Your Dad would seem to be a smoker, but only smokes very rarely.

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

What about my 16 year old brother who tried one last year (so he told me) and hated it, He a smoker too because its not 2 years?

Slightly grey area - he's probably not a smoker.

osarusan

I think that people who refer to themselves as social smokers still see themselves as smokers, but are distinguishing themselves from people who smoke every day.

If you smoke occasionally while socialising, and will do again the next time you socialise, you can't really call yourself a non-smoker though.

But I haven't read all the thread so I don't know if anybody has actually argued that.

I Heart Internet

osarusan wrote: »

I think that people who refer to themselves as social smokers still see themselves as smokers, but are distinguishing themselves from people who smoke every day.

If you smoke occasionally while socialising, and will do again the next time you socialise, you can't really call yourself a non-smoker though.

But I haven't read all the thread so I don't know if anybody has actually argued that.

Some people do claim to have "given-up" and "only" smoke when out. Out-out that is, not just out.

osarusan

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Some people do claim to have "given-up" and "only" smoke when out. Out-out that is, not just out.

I don't get your insistence that the term 'social smoker' is meaningless.

You seem to be arguing that "if you smoke then you smoke and and that's it, there are no kinds of smokers."

You've created a context for this that because we live in a society, then everybody who smokes is a social smoker. This is completely differerent from what the term means, and is just as silly as arguing that if you only smoke when you're out, then you don't really smoke.

TimeToShine

This thread is so retarded.

I Heart Internet

osarusan wrote: »

You seem to be arguing that "if you smoke then you smoke and and that's it, there are no kinds of smokers."

A smoker is a smoker, the only difference is frequency. The term "social smoker" is used imho to try to excuse a bad habit. e.g. I am an occasional flasher.

osarusan wrote: »

You've created a context for this that because we live in a society, then everybody who smokes is a social smoker.

No. Everyone who smokes is a smoker.

osarusan

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Regular Smoker = Smoker

Social Smoker = Smoker

The only difference is frequency.

Yes, but

Regular smoker =/= social smoker.

Are they both smokers? Yes.

Are they the same? No.

Frequency isn't some irrelevance - it's the thing that differentiates the two.

I Heart Internet

osarusan wrote: »

Yes, but

Regular smoker =/= social smoker.

Are they both smokers? Yes.

Are they the same? No.

Frequency isn't some irrelevance - it's the thing that differentiates the two.

Regular Smoker = Social Smoker = Smoker

It's just a question of how regular a smoker one is - every 5 mins, every 20 mins, every day, every week, every time one is out.

I Heart Internet

I Heart Internet wrote: »

It's just a question of how regular a smoker one is - every 5 mins, every 20 mins, every day, every week, every time one is out.

Yes and the term social smoker is used to indicate how regular the person smokes i.e. when out drinking, therefore at social occasions only, therefore social smoker. There is a big difference between a full time smoker and a social smoker and that cannot be denied.

Social smoker = smoker
Regular smoker = smoker
but social smoker does not equal regular smoker.

I don't see the point of your crusade.

I Heart Internet

Harley Bumpy Dropout wrote: »

I don't see the point of your crusade.

Just keeping it real.

Vincent Vega

When people use the term 'smoker', I think it generally comes with the implication that the person somewhat routinely smokes. It's quite definitive.

If i was asked if I was a pineapple eater, but pretty much never sought out pineapple, or made any effort to source or acquire one, and only ate it in the event of it appearing presliced infront of me for whatever reason.... well, i'd struggle to define myself as a 'pineapple eater' more than an eater of any other food i'd eat out of convenience.

I think if you identify as a smoker, and don't clarify further, it implies that you do it with some regularity.

I feel like it would be silly if I called myself a smoker based on taking someone up on their offer once or twice a year.

Larry Wildman

The smoking ban has worked...A good few of my friends and family have given up purely because of the hassle of smoking.

Plus travelling and going to matches help...if you can do a 14 hour flight you can do 24 hours and if you can do 24 hours...etc

Legs.Eleven

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Did you smoke them 3 at a time?

I would head out on a night out about 9pm and come home at 9am the following morning and would be in all night bars. Smoked me head off, I did (and you could smoke in bars here at this time). It only lasted about 3 months (the first 3 months of living in Madrid when I partied like a maniac) but it got to the point where a few friends commented on it. I'd literally light one after the other almost. Disgusting. Before moving here, I'd have 10 max on a night out.


Anyway, decided I'm quitting my 2 puffs every 3 weeks, so call me a smoker and I'll do a nick nack on your door. :mad:

rubadub

I Heart Internet wrote: »

when asked by medics or others if they smoke, say "I'm just a social smoker."

Yes, this is usually said to pre-empt the following question about frequency, or for further commonly understood phrases indicating frequency -thought this was blatantly obvious to anyone with any level of common sense.

I Heart Internet wrote: »

A drinker is not an alcoholic. A drinker is a drinker. Just like a smoker is a smoker.

My aunt would have a tiny sip of sherry at christmas, so you could pedantically call her a drinker. If she was going for surgery and asked by an anesthesiologist "are you a drinker" she would be a complete moron to just simply answer "yes". I know guys who would have a single drag of a cigar, not inhaling, at the wedding they go to every 1 or 2 years, so they would be smokers in your book if you ran a health insurance company, bar staff probably get far more passive smoking in the many smoky & illegal "beer gardens" -again they would be fools to call themselves smokers to a medic with no further explanation.

Actually if you're a proper pedant you will call yourself a drinker as you most likely drink water in the space of 2 years, and call yourself a smoker as its very likely you are inhaling passive smoke at some stage over 2 years, all those poor idiots fooling themselves saying they are non-drinkers and non-smokers.

TimeToShine wrote: »

This thread is so retarded.

haha, the OP actually thanked this post!

Micky Dolenz

Did a "social smoker" break your heart or kill your dog, OP?

TimeToShine

Social smoker = someone who smokes with drink as far as i'm concerned.