BANGERNOMICS CAR OF THE WEEK/DAY

Moneymaker

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/daihatsu-charade-1-litre-turbo-diesel-new-nct/8214825



My dad had one of these in the mid 90s.

It did 85-90mpg easy peasy.

You'd need a calender for the 0-60 time though. :pac:

Mad asking price though. More dreamer then bangernomics but I have a serious soft spot for these.

Special Circumstances

Moneymaker wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/daihatsu-charade-1-litre-turbo-diesel-new-nct/8214825

My dad had one of these in the mid 90s.

It did 85-90mpg easy peasy.

You'd need a calender for the 0-60 time though. :pac:

Mad asking price though. More dreamer then bangernomics but I have a serious soft spot for these.

Small 3cyl diesels are sooo "in" this season. This is like a BMW for hipsters. :pac:

Cleveland Hot Pocket

That's cool.
Ancient diesel tech, could probably run on the sniff of anythin' flammable.

Toyotafanboi

His quoted mpg is only 60... not 'that' special

Moneymaker

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

His quoted mpg is only 60... not 'that' special

Definitely capable of more. Voice of experience here.

Maybe my dad just drove like an aul one. :pac:

Toyotafanboi

Oh i'd say you could see mid 70's anyway, but i'd imagine it's borderline incompetent for modern day traffic :P

toyotaavensis

potentially over 100mpg
http://www.fuelacademy.com/world_record_drives.html

jimgoose

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Oh i'd say you could see mid 70's anyway, but i'd imagine it's borderline incompetent for modern day traffic :P

I dunno, with 50 BHP or so would it be all that bad? It's so shít it's cool, like an automatic Hillman Hunter.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

People say that ancient diesels are incompetent for modern day traffic. I've been doing 120k per day for the past 3 months in a 57 bhp 1.8d ford fiesta. Nay a bother keeping up with traffic and doing 55 mpg to boot.

Cheensbo

I'd imagine the charade would be a fair shot bit quicker than my 90-odd-bhp 2 tonne pajero, so definitely no troubles in traffic, the only problem with it is the dreaming asking price, it is sh1t cool though :cool:


Floatynomics:

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/citroen-xanntia-turbo-diesel/8213566

Toyotafanboi

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

People say that ancient diesels are incompetent for modern day traffic. I've been doing 120k per day for the past 3 months in a 57 bhp 1.8d ford fiesta. Nay a bother keeping up with traffic and doing 55 mpg to boot.

except for...

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Just back from a trip to wicklow.
Drove down in my fiesta, arrived back on an AA truck.
The fiesta burst a radiator hose.

1990 Daihatsu to buy: €1800
Tax €200
10,000 miles @ 75mpg, (diesel @ 1.38) €826
year 1 ownership €2826

1999 Micra 1.0 petrol to buy €800
Tax €200
10,000 miles @ 40mpg, (petrol @1.48) €1680
year 1 ownership €2680

So the Micra is €1k cheaper to buy, but uses €850 a year more in fuel, so somewhere in year 3 you will start saving buying the Daihatsu.
I’d have the Micra for the sake of a few mod cons, safety, simplicity of mechanicals and parts availability, plus you won’t look destitute (if that’s a problem for you).

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

except for...

Ah but that was my own chance after a "<racism removed by moderator> fix" turned out to only last 100 miles. My own fault not the car's - all it needs is a new rad hose.

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

1990 Daihatsu to buy: €1800
Tax €200
10,000 miles @ 75mpg, (diesel @ 1.38) €826
year 1 ownership €2826

1999 Micra 1.0 petrol to buy €800
Tax €200
10,000 miles @ 40mpg, (petrol @1.48) €1680
year 1 ownership €2680

So the Micra is €1k cheaper to buy, but uses €850 a year more in fuel, so somewhere in year 3 you will start saving buying the Daihatsu.
I’d have the Micra for the sake of a few mod cons, safety, simplicity of mechanicals and parts availability, plus you won’t look destitute (if that’s a problem for you).

Who's comparing it to a micra? I was driving a fiesta and now changed to my new bangernomics TDI golf.
And I wouldnt care about looking destitute. My days of auto willy-waving are behind me. I ain't 17 no more!

Toyotafanboi

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Ah but that was my own chance after a "<racism removed by moderator> fix" turned out to only last 100 miles. My own fault not the car's - all it needs is a new rad hose.



Who's comparing it to a micra? I was driving a fiesta and now changed to my new bangernomics TDI golf.
And I wouldnt care about looking destitute. My days of auto willy-waving are behind me. I ain't 17 no more!

i was comparing it to a micra as generally if someone comes on here looking to drive a car on as little money as possible, the k11 micra gets recommended. i was trying to highlight that the lay man would assume that this daihatsu would be super cheap to run, but it is actually somewhat more expensive than a micra.

i too don't care about looking destitute, but it is often mentioned in this thread that one of the best bits of bangernomics is driving a car that looks much more expensive than it actually was. the daihatsu is the opposite, it was more expensive than it actually looks.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

i was comparing it to a micra as generally if someone comes on here looking to drive a car on as little money as possible, the k11 micra gets recommended. i was trying to highlight that the lay man would assume that this daihatsu would be super cheap to run, but it is actually somewhat more expensive than a micra.

i too don't care about looking destitute, but it is often mentioned in this thread that one of the best bits of bangernomics is driving a car that looks much more expensive than it actually was. the daihatsu is the opposite, it was more expensive than it actually looks.

Interesting. The OH has a k11 micra and on the same route as my fiesta it barely even hits 40mpg - the fiesta does 55+.

Toyotafanboi

well that makes sense, you'd expect that of both cars. the micra should do 40ish mpg at a steady 60-65mph unless there is something wrong with it. and instead of saying 55+ mpg in the fiesta, why don't you say 60- :P

i had a focus with the 1.8 tddi engine, 80bhp or something, it was handy enough on fuel. it was definitely slow as ****, but the torque made it bearable.

Mister Jingles

As a k11 micra owner I can say that they are indeed a bollocks on fuel, especially after 90kph. With the colder weather in now I've noticed it been worse on fuel but that's is understandable.

JohnBoy26

Those charades are excellent on fuel and they are very well built. They also have fully independent suspension and feel more planted on the road compared to newer competitors such as the micra and mk1 sirion. They are slow to get going though but once up to speed they will happily cruise along, over taking wouldn't be their strongest point however.

The cylinder heads are also prone to cracking on them, especially turbo variants. It's something that is a must to check upon inspection as parts are very difficult to find for these at this stage.

As for a Micra, in my experience they are not great on fuel for a small car, but they are grand car otherwise. Not sure I'd opt for one of these either though if safety was a priority. AFAIK they didn't fair too well in the euro ncap.

Toyotafanboi

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Those charades are excellent on fuel and they are very well built. They also have fully independent suspension and feel more planted on the road compared to newer competitors such as the micra and mk1 sirion. They are slow to get going though but once up to speed they will happily cruise along, over taking wouldn't be their strongest point however.

The cylinder heads are also prone to cracking on them, especially turbo variants. It's something that is a must to check upon inspection as parts are very difficult to find for these at this stage.

As for a Micra, in my experience they are not great on fuel for a small car, but they are grand car otherwise. Not sure I'd opt for one of these either though if safety was a priority. AFAIK they didn't fair too well in the euro ncap.

that's like a Clarkson Top Gear ending...

"which one should you actually buy, well, neither! and on that bombshell, goodnight!"

i'm not gone on the charade anyhow, a gtti maybe, but a tddi :pac:

dr.fuzzenstein

The only reason I would ever buy an old style Micra would be to deliberately crash it and rid the world of one miserable sh*tebox.

unkel

Very late Alfa 156, '06, taxed, 17 months NCT, low miles, asking €2,250



Linky

alias no.9

unkel wrote: »

Very late Alfa 156, '06, taxed, 17 months NCT, low miles, asking €2,250



Linky

Pre face lift alfa with an 06 reg? It's quite a bit older than the reg says.

26000 Elephants

unkel wrote: »

Very late Alfa 156, '06, taxed, 17 months NCT, low miles, asking €2,250



Linky

Discussed that on the "Today I saw a..." thread last week, trying to figure how a pre facelift 156 could survive unreg'd until 2006.:rolleyes:

colm_mcm

Hate these, but look how cheap!

colm_mcm

24% less shonky than the pre-facelift

Into The Blue

colm_mcm wrote: »

Hate these, but look how cheap!

My brother bought an 05 one brand new.. I nearly puked when I heard.

I eased my frustration over the following few months by pointing out class cars he could have bought with the cash.

thedarksh1te

26000 Elephants wrote: »

A what now? A venturi is by definition a restriction,

A venturi is a narrowing that forces whatever's passing through it to go faster. When a river narrows the water flows faster - same principal with air.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

well that makes sense, you'd expect that of both cars. the micra should do 40ish mpg at a steady 60-65mph unless there is something wrong with it. and instead of saying 55+ mpg in the fiesta, why don't you say 60- :P

i had a focus with the 1.8 tddi engine, 80bhp or something, it was handy enough on fuel. it was definitely slow as ****, but the torque made it bearable.

Because usually it's approx 55, like the last tank was 55.3 for instance (yes I measure each tank brim to brim)

W123-80's

Definitely not too all tastes.
But a clean diesel Corolla is a rare sight on this Island..
Test Jan '16
Auto
Asking €995

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1996-toyota-corolla-diesel-automatic-nct-12-15/8149041

Simonigs1.0

That is a bargain indeed.

CJhaughey

Only one thing would put most off that Corolla is the tax at €710 is extortionate for that vehicle.
JDM with plenty of spec compared to most Irish cars of that era and later.
I'd have no problem driving it.

Toyotafanboi

nothing too special about this, just a nice looking car for not much money if you need a good diesel.
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/03-ford-focus-1-8-tdci-lx-nct-07-15-93k/8138899

considering it's priced to compete with this, i know where i'd be.
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/daihatsu-charade-1-litre-turbo-diesel-new-nct/8214825

26000 Elephants

If you have a clatter of kids to haul around, this aint bad.

NCT till end of june 2015, 3 months warranty and not a bad colour. €900 should do it.

alan partridge aha

26000 Elephants wrote: »

If you have a clatter of kids to haul around, this aint bad.

NCT till end of june 2015, 3 months warranty and not a bad colour. €900 should do it.

Horrendous to drive, jittery as f**k on the road.

colm_mcm

Text for pics!
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/ford-escort-2000/8221674

CharlieCroker

I can think of no better contraceptive!

johndaman66

26000 Elephants wrote: »

NCT till end of june 2015...

Ad would seem to suggest the NCT is out since June 2012 though

colm_mcm

johndaman66 wrote: »

Ad would seem to suggest the NCT is out since June 2012 though

Nct site says 29th June 15

johndaman66

colm_mcm wrote: »

Nct site says 29th June 15

I was kinda thinking that may have being the case but wasn't too bothered to find out for the sake of the car were talking about:pac:. Unlikely a 3 month warranty would be provided on a car without a NCT also

Silly typo error especially considering its a dealer thats selling...

W123-80's

'98 Imreza
Test Oct '15
Bit of test
Claim of one "mature" owner and full service..
Mature owner is such a daft statement.. kind of annoys me.. they were hardly irresponsible when they bought it 16 years ago.. so at what point did they become a mature owner..?
Anyway.. rant over..
Asking €1,250

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/subaru-impreza-newnct-low-mls-tax-31-12-14/8187752

Honey Monster

I recognise the wheels on that JDM Corolla. Off a Mazda mx-3.

toyotaavensis

W123-80's wrote: »

'98 Imreza
Test Oct '15
Bit of test
Claim of one "mature" owner and full service..
Mature owner is such a daft statement.. kind of annoys me.. they were hardly irresponsible when they bought it 16 years ago.. so at what point did they become a mature owner..?
Anyway.. rant over..
Asking €1,250

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/subaru-impreza-newnct-low-mls-tax-31-12-14/8187752

I think it is a good ad. The mature stuff wouldn't bother me - tis obviously important to highlight it hasnt been wrecked for the seller.

Toyotafanboi

W123-80's wrote: »

Claim of one "mature" owner and full service..
Mature owner is such a daft statement.. kind of annoys me.. they were hardly irresponsible when they bought it 16 years ago.. so at what point did they become a mature owner..?
Anyway.. rant over..

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/subaru-impreza-newnct-low-mls-tax-31-12-14/8187752

he's talking like it's a WRX or STi model, it's a ****ing stock 1.6.

don't get me wrong, it looks clean and tidy and could be a sound purchase all the same.

colm_mcm wrote: »

Text for pics!
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/ford-escort-2000/8221674

i wonder will they ever be as cult as the mk1 and 2? will a day come in 30-40 years time where we wish we filled our back yards with these.

i know the mk1 focus is a far better car, but in the mid 90's the escort was probably a reasonably good looking car even if the interior is a bit dire, i mean it probably looks no more/ less dated, even now than a 98/99 corolla.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/00-ford-escort-1-6-petrol/8196910

not bangernomics

unkel

The Impreza sure looks like a decent well kept car. Nice long NCT. That said, it's only 2WD, innit? And the 1.6 is very slow. Not that good a bargain for a 17 year old car with little to say for itself.

Special Circumstances

Well minded and reliable I'd say but - slowish, thirsty and probably difficult to insure. At that price he needs to be hoping for some ice and snow I think. Assuming it's AWD, although 1.6 could be FWD and the seller has completely neglected to specify. (Why would you buy a FWD impreza???)


EDIT - NCT details suggest FWD. OR yet again the NCT hoonigans have been putting AWDs on the rollers for the lolz.

Toyotafanboi

if it was an AWD model, i'm sure that particular seller would have thrown it in.

Special Circumstances

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

if it was an AWD model, i'm sure that particular seller would have thrown it in.

For me, it would be like saying "includes steering wheel".
You kinda assume some things, unless someone specifically says otherwise!

Honey Monster

I owned one of those 1.6 Imprezas and I wouldn't call them "slow"...they're a a 1.6 and behave like one if not the quicker end of one. They're not bad. It's not a bargain though.

Toyotafanboi

Special Circumstances wrote: »

For me, it would be like saying "includes steering wheel".
You kinda assume some things, unless someone specifically says otherwise!

i see your point, but it's a very basic looking car overall. clean, but basic. i doubt they went for hub caps but ticked yes for 4wd. i could well be wrong though.

Special Circumstances

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

i see your point, but it's a very basic looking car overall. clean, but basic. i doubt they went for hub caps but ticked yes for 4wd. i could well be wrong though.

True.

Following some lightning research, I think that model was 1.6 fwd only, but later models you had a choice.

Next banger!

Toyotafanboi

longitudinal mounted 6 cylinder
RWD
plenty of kit
premium badge
timeless design
not a BMW :pac:

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/luxus-is200-nct/8190392