BANGERNOMICS CAR OF THE WEEK/DAY

Duke O Smiley

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-civic-eg8-nct-and-tax/10019898?offset=18


Did we have this one before ages ago, I'm unsure but anyway tax and test till next year.

colm_mcm

Sleeper of sorts
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2003-toyota-corolla-1-8-t-sport-190hbp/9506512?offset=23

colm_mcm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-civic-eg8-nct-and-tax/10019898?offset=18


Did we have this one before ages ago, I'm unsure but anyway tax and test till next year.

Seem to remember a discussion on whether it was in fact jdm or just UK spec?

Duke O Smiley

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mazda-xedos/9464038?offset=3


I didn't even know these came with a 1.6, but with tax till the end of the year and test to next year for under 500 quid would you care

colm_mcm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mazda-xedos/9464038?offset=3


I didn't even know these came with a 1.6, but with tax till the end of the year and test to next year for under 500 quid would you care

Lovely looking car. Insurance is a bit crazy in them last time I got a quote on one,

Gerry Ryan used to drive Xedoss for years, V6s though.

Duke O Smiley

colm_mcm wrote: »

Lovely looking car. Insurance is a bit crazy in them last time I got a quote on one,

Gerry Ryan used to drive Xedoss for years, V6s though.

My girlfriend lives around the corner from his house. I'm sure I remember a gold/ beige one outside the house. The later model, 04 reg I think it might have been actually

colm_mcm

Fella I knew in Limerick had his old Xedos 6. Mid 90s. He had a BMW 8 series too

He had some link with Joe Duffy Mazda,

wiz569

colm_mcm wrote: »

Oops. Meant to post this

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mazda-3-diesel-1-6-saloon-2005/10029836?offset=1

Anything in particular to watch out with these?

colm_mcm

Yes. The engine would need to have been maintained properly using the correct oil.

wiz569

colm_mcm wrote: »

Yes. The engine would need to have been maintained properly using the correct oil.

So would really need full service history then, cheers m8

Iseedeadpixels

What the hell is a Honda Logo?

Duke O Smiley

Honda's answer to the Yaris before the Jazz

alias no.9

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

What the hell is a Honda Logo?

The predecessor to the Jazz, was briefly available new here but never sold in any meaningful numbers. Most will be JDM.

Iseedeadpixels

alias no.9 wrote: »

The predecessor to the Jazz, was briefly available new here but never sold in any meaningful numbers. Most will be JDM.

So useless in size for a fella who is 6'3 :pac:

W123-80's

Depreciation free bangernomics
Test July 2016
Asking €700

https://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-avensis/10070178

Iseedeadpixels

Posting this just in case someone may be interested, please avoid as he only bought this 2 weeks ago and before that it was for sale after the previous owner had it 3 months, he claims he wants a smaller car but is selling a micra too, seems like he has a dud to me.

http://www.adverts.ie/car/bmw/3-series/1998-bmw-316-for-sale/8550438?comment=53617364#comment_53617364

Big Nasty

Feedback seems very good on Adverts

Iseedeadpixels

Big Nasty wrote: »

Feedback seems very good on Adverts

Ive been stung before by good sellers, I hope I'm wrong but I genuinely wanted to know why hes selling so fast after buying it like any other buyer would, I would have gladly left it there but his little outburst annoyed me.

Yawns

Look at his comments, strikes me that he's buying to sell on. He prob tries to get the logbook off the seller so he can sell it on without adding himself as owner but the previous seller of the bmw might have insisted on filling it in and sending it himself as he should. Or he could have a dud.

Iseedeadpixels

Yawns wrote: »

Look at his comments, strikes me that he's buying to sell on. He prob tries to get the logbook off the seller so he can sell it on without adding himself as owner but the previous seller of the bmw might have insisted on filling it in and sending it himself as he should. Or he could have a dud.

His previous comments show hes looking for BMW parts, I'm sure there's nothing wrong with it but with it being sold twice in 3 months already it puts me off.

wonski

It is an issue for revenue rather than something to do with quality of the car.

There are plenty of guys reselling cars on regular basis. I have no problem with them TBH.

There are also people , plenty of them on this forum, who don't attach to cars and change few times a year.

It is a 1200 Euro car, just check its condition if you want to buy. There will be no warranty, stamped service book or anything like that.

Not sure what you are trying to achieve by commenting and warning us? Is this car a dud?

Iseedeadpixels

wonski wrote: »

It is an issue for revenue rather than something to do with quality of the car.

There are plenty of guys reselling cars on regular basis. I have no problem with them TBH.

There are also people , plenty of them on this forum, who don't attach to cars and change few times a year.

It is a 1200 Euro car, just check its condition if you want to buy. There will be no warranty, stamped service book or anything like that.

Not sure what you are trying to achieve by commenting and warning us? Is this car a dud?

Because guys on here have posted dodgy looking cars before I'm doing the same just in case someone sees it and wants to buy it.

Duke O Smiley

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/toyota-carina-95-estate-/10030096?offset=29


Not really a looker but at this price with test until next year you can't really complain. Looks nice and original if anything

acronym Chilli

Renault Laguna estate, 2002, 1.8l petrol: €600 and NCT until March 2016
(can't post link: done-deal renault-laguna-estate-for-sale/10051240 )

Or an Estate Fiat Stilo, 2003, 1.6l petrol: €895 and NCT until April 2016 and timing belt supposed to be done (mileage not listed though). If it's anything like the similar vintage punto, then could be very cheap to keep on the road with regard to parts and insurance.
(can't post link: done-deal estate-fiat-stilo-nct-4-16/10073322 )

I'm curious what criteria (apart from NCT, sub €2k price, and ready-to-drive) folk use to pick the cars they list here. I started looking for a cheap old car and bought one, but what confused me for a long time was the huge list of possible options. Finally I settled on a make & model & rough-generation, and then limited my search that way. This gives the opportunity to learn more about type-faults, sources for parts, etc., and if you re-buy the same make/model you can build up some consumables/parts (oil-filters, sump washers, etc., even a scrap car to cannibalise...). I'd say the whole 15 year insurance story (different people quoted that to me) will put more people off older cars and make them harder to sell.

emeldc

^^^^^

here ya go

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-laguna-estate-for-sale/10051240?offset=21

26000 Elephants

acronym Chilli wrote: »

Or an Estate Fiat Stilo, 2003, 1.6l petrol: €895 and NCT until April 2016 and timing belt supposed to be done (mileage not listed though). If it's anything like the similar vintage punto, then could be very cheap to keep on the road with regard to parts and insurance.
(can't post link: done-deal estate-fiat-stilo-nct-4-16/10073322 )

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/estate-fiat-stilo-nct-4-16/10073322?offset=13

the 1.6 stilo has a lot of electrical glitches - they are annoying but rarely fatal. Access to a laptop with fiatecuscan and the appropriate cables is a must if you are going to run one of these on the cheap. But when they work, they are great.

acronym Chilli wrote: »

I'm curious what criteria (apart from NCT, sub €2k price, and ready-to-drive) folk use to pick the cars they list here. I started looking for a cheap old car and bought one, but what confused me for a long time was the huge list of possible options. Finally I settled on a make & model & rough-generation, and then limited my search that way. This gives the opportunity to learn more about type-faults, sources for parts, etc., and if you re-buy the same make/model you can build up some consumables/parts (oil-filters, sump washers, etc., even a scrap car to cannibalise...). I'd say the whole 15 year insurance story (different people quoted that to me) will put more people off older cars and make them harder to sell.

Yup, you hit the nail on the head. Pick a make/model and get to know it and you make life a lot easier. I've built up a knowledge of Fiat/Alfa and VAG cars, so I stick with them.

Also, it helps o find a mechanic who specialises in that particular make - its saves a lot of time and money.

acronym Chilli

In that vein, a list of non-interference engines would be a handy thing to have. Means that even if the seller is fibbing (or unaware) about when the belt was changed, you can make a more calculated decision on doing the replacement.

I know the Fiat Punto 1.2 8V (ca. 2000 vintage) is such an engine, so a timing belt/tensioner failure or water-pump seize is a troublesome breakdown but normally no worse than that. The parts for a timing belt change are cheap, and notwithstanding you have to remove one engine mount the job isn't a particularly difficult one.

JohnBoy26

Tidy looking 3door corolla.
https://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-corolla-1-4-petrol/10083609

Duke O Smiley

Nice looking car. Don't think I've ever seen one with orange indicator lenses though

circadian

W123-80's wrote: »

Depreciation free bangernomics
Test July 2016
Asking €700

https://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-avensis/10070178

That interior is unreal.

Trojan

My bangernomics update:

2002 E39 525i purchase price: €1150

Required purchases (rear brake lines, battery, alternator, fuel pump, expansion bottle, front control arms, bushings, foglamp, tyres, 4 wheel alignment): €1355

Total spend so far (10 months): €2505

alan partridge aha

circadian wrote: »

That interior is unreal.

Fairly yuk alright

Duke O Smiley

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/fiat-bravo/10084716?offset=11


I quite like this.

bajer101

Trojan wrote: »

My bangernomics update:

2002 E39 525i purchase price: €1150

Required purchases (rear brake lines, battery, alternator, fuel pump, expansion bottle, front control arms, bushings, foglamp, tyres, 4 wheel alignment): €1355

Total spend so far (10 months): €2505

Not really Bangernomics then, is it? And €2505 is not your total spend for 10 months - you have excluded tax. I'm not dissing your purchase, but when you have to start forking out that amount amount of money just to keep it on the road, there is a good chance that more good money will follow bad. Bangernomics for me is a car that can be bought for less than €2k and will run for a couple of years without any major outlay.

Trojan

Yep, it's bangernomics according to rules: purchase price was under €2k, it had a valid NCT, no VRT issues and obviously I'd drive it myself. Well, well, inside bangernomics territory.

I'm posting these updates because I know there are folks who reading these threads wondering "how much is it really going to cost" - I know because I was one of them about a year ago.

Everyone comes to bangernomics with slightly different requirements. If I was looking for ultra cheap and reliable I'd have snapped up a Carina/Avenis/Corolla/Octavia or even an Accord. My requirements were that - apart from just cheap - I also wanted something that looked respectable outside a business meeting, was comfortable for frequent coast-to-coast trips and - lets be honest - fast. A straight six E39 fits these requirements nicely.

I think anyone going into bangernomics has to be prepared - and hopefully updates like mine will help - that at this end of the market you have to be ready to spend more money on maintenance issues than you might if you spend more upfront on a car, i.e. outside bangernomics territory. That's the whole game.

I could have bought an E39 "forum car" for around €5-6k and I'd probably have to spend nothing apart from petrol, tax and insurance, unless I got very unlucky (seriously, some of these cars are kept by people who must be clinically insane for how much work and money they put into cars that no insurance company would give fair value for).

I understand why someone would buy an ultra reliable workhorse like a Toyota Corolla or Skoda Octavia and wrack up galactic mileage on them. In my case, appearance is a concern and I think that for my purposes, arriving in a 13 year old E39 is probably more socially acceptable than in an equivalent bugeyed E110 Corolla. I'm also pretty happy with the comfort, and have you heard an i6 revving at 4-6k RPM?

rizzodun

Trojan wrote: »

Yep, it's bangernomics according to rules: purchase price was under €2k, it had a valid NCT, no VRT issues and obviously I'd drive it myself. Well, well, inside bangernomics territory.

I'm posting these updates because I know there are folks who reading these threads wondering "how much is it really going to cost" - I know because I was one of them about a year ago.

Everyone comes to bangernomics with slightly different requirements. If I was looking for ultra cheap and reliable I'd have snapped up a Carina/Avenis/Corolla/Octavia or even an Accord. My requirements were that - apart from just cheap - I also wanted something that looked respectable outside a business meeting, was comfortable for frequent coast-to-coast trips and - lets be honest - fast. A straight six E39 fits these requirements nicely.

I think anyone going into bangernomics has to be prepared - and hopefully updates like mine will help - that at this end of the market you have to be ready to spend more money on maintenance issues than you might if you spend more upfront on a car, i.e. outside bangernomics territory. That's the whole game.

I could have bought an E39 "forum car" for around €5-6k and I'd probably have to spend nothing apart from petrol, tax and insurance, unless I got very unlucky (seriously, some of these cars are kept by people who must be clinically insane for how much work and money they put into cars that no insurance company would give fair value for).

I understand why someone would buy an ultra reliable workhorse like a Toyota Corolla or Skoda Octavia and wrack up galactic mileage on them. In my case, appearance is a concern and I think that for my purposes, arriving in a 13 year old E39 is probably more socially acceptable than in an equivalent bugeyed E110 Corolla. I'm also pretty happy with the comfort, and have you heard an i6 revving at 4-6k RPM?

Good points, put it along side my 04 Almera I bought for about €2k, and put a set of brake discs and new exhaust in it in two years, total cost about €300, but has passed two NCT's since with just a service and you can see the difference, but then again the Almera would definitely not be everyone's first choice when looking for a car. Depends what you want to get from your bangernomics really I suppose.

wonski

I agree with Trojan here.

There are cars for under €2000 that won't require another 1k to put everything right. Nothing is guaranteed, though.

He spent some money now and I believe he won't have to spend much to keep the car going for some time (apart from tax). Nothing wrong with this approach, and it is nice to see a car being treated properly.

I had 2 options this year - going for a car loan (couldn't get more than 10k) or buying cash for 2-3k. Let's just say that there is nothing exciting in this price range when your bank won't allow anything older than x years and you have to buy from the dealers:mad: And there is nothing exciting in the 2-3k price range, too when you know you neeed another 1k to fix things.

I chose option 3 buying a merc for €800.

Another €200 - €400 to put everything right and that's it.
Only because the suspension was rebuilt recently so no issues there.

Buying for 1-2k gives you an opportunity to fix the car without breaking a bank. It might not be new model, but at least it is yours straight away with no strings attached. And you can make it perfect:D

Fixed 5 issues already by browsing the internet. The latest was a cd changer that wasn't working. How cool is that:D

Foxhole Norman

In comparison to Trojan's 525i, mine which was bought around the same time with NCT for a year and 3 months:

Purchase - €1900
Oil/Filter Service - Free
Rocker Gasket - Free
Radiator - €112 - Bought and fitted FOC by previous owner.
Thermostat/Housing - €60 - Bought and fitted FOC by previous owner
Water Pump - €60 - Bought and fitted FOC by previous owner
Radiator Cap - €10 - Bought and fitted FOC by previous owner
Ignition Coil - €55
Upper Intake Boot - €30
Brake Light Switch - €35
Pair Hankook Ventus Evo 1's Rear - €360
Pair Hankook Ventus Evo 2's Front - €270
Battery - €117
Rear Pads - €30
Pad Wear Sensor x 2 - €12
Air Con Regas - €60
Oil and Filter Change - €140
Front Pads - €35

Total - €3286 excluding Tax/Fuel/Insurance/Other Bits after 10 months ownership.

Getting to drive it everyday, priceless.

wonski

Foxhole Norman wrote: »

In comparison to Trojan's 525i, mine which was bought around the same time with NCT for a year and 3 months:

Purchase - €1900
Oil/Filter Service - Free
Rocker Gasket - Free
Radiator - €112 - Bought and fitted FOC by previous owner.
Thermostat/Housing - €60 - Bought and fitted FOC by previous owner
Water Pump - €60 - Bought and fitted FOC by previous owner
Radiator Cap - €10 - Bought and fitted FOC by previous owner
Ignition Coil - €55
Upper Intake Boot - €30
Brake Light Switch - €35
Pair Hankook Ventus Evo 1's Rear - €360
Pair Hankook Ventus Evo 2's Front - €270
Battery - €117
Rear Pads - €30
Pad Wear Sensor x 2 - €12
Air Con Regas - €60
Oil and Filter Change - €140
Front Pads - €35

Total - €3286 excluding Tax/Fuel/Insurance/Other Bits after 10 months ownership.

Getting to drive it everyday, priceless.

I think the tires, pads and other consumables don't come into play when discussing the cost of ownership of a bangeromics.

Surely tires for 525i are more expensive than Seicento's tires. So are the pads, discs and other stuff. When you buy a car like this you do see it coming, though.

You pay small purchase price and have something left over to pay for those.

As you said, driving it is priceless.

You don't understand it until you do it yourself, though. I had a good run of my bangeromic for last few days / hours, even my coleague mentioned he missed cruise control in his 10 regged avensis he paid €12000 for. 1.6 petrol btw. I have it here in 14 years old car. Not an adaptive type one, but it is there. So is the electric seat adjustment and other stuff.

I have it all at a fraction of price.

Foxhole Norman

wonski wrote: »

I think the tires, pads and other consumables don't come into play when discussing the cost of ownership of a bangeromics.

Surely tires for 525i are more expensive than Seicento's tires. So are the pads, discs and other stuff. When you buy a car like this you do see it coming, though.

You pay small purchase price and have something left over to pay for those.

As you said, driving it is priceless.

You don't understand it until you do it yourself, though. I had a good run of my bangeromic for last few days / hours, even my coleague mentioned he missed cruise control in his 10 regged avensis he paid €12000 for. 1.6 petrol btw. I have it here in 14 years old car. Not an adaptive type one, but it is there. So is the electric seat adjustment and other stuff.

I have it all at a fraction of price.

Yeah definitely with regards the consumables, shouldn't be counted but they have been part of the maintenance.

It's funny, the minute my dad went from his 131 Mondeo to my 13 year old 5 Series he immediately saw the difference, it was quieter, more refined(being Petrol), better specced and more comfortable. All that from a car a tenth of the price!

Admittedly, the total cost of this car in my 10 months has been around €10,000, including everything, fuel, tax, insurance etc.

Sh1tbag OToole

Trojan wrote: »

My bangernomics update:

2002 E39 525i purchase price: €1150

Required purchases (rear brake lines, battery, alternator, fuel pump, expansion bottle, front control arms, bushings, foglamp, tyres, 4 wheel alignment): €1355

Some of those parts must have been shocking expensive

acronym Chilli

Some good discussion, and I'm interested to see folks' histories of cars. I plan to post an update (probably around Oct/Nov) on my recent bangernomics purchase and money spent up to then. I should have some more km on it by then, and I'll be making the call on whether to put a new set of tyres on it (tyres on it are good and driveable, but aren't particularly good make/model).

Anyway, from the discussion here, I can see how diverse bangernomics driving can be.

One philosophy would be to attempt to spend the absolute minimum on the car while you own it. By that logic, if you sort of expect a timing belt to go on it in the next 10-15k miles then you might as well stop changing the oil and filters too since that'll hardly kill it before then. Another variation on that would be to buy the car such that maintenance costs are minimised (e.g. picking a Corolla instead of a 5 Series) even if aesthetics and comfort and cachet/prestige are reduced.

Though I hadn't heard of bangernomics at the time, the last car purchase I made certainly fitted into that category. Bought a 2000 fiat Punto in 2010 for €1200, ran it for 5 years until this summer when I sold it for €800. In that time, I had no major repairs, and transitioned to self-servicing it (plugs, brakes (pads/rotors), alternator belt, battery replacement, oil changes, HT leads, air-filter). The three repairs/maintenance actions in last 3 years I didn't do myself were wiper motor and mechanism replacement, rear brake servicing, and back-box replacement. With less than €100 in depreciation per year and less than €300-€400 servicing/repair costs per year, it really was a very economical drive.

With the new car, I'm also not planning to run it into the ground at minimum spend (e.g. have spent €5 and replaced batteries in the keys, even though there is a mechanical key that works fine for door, boot, and ignition!). I think most bangernomics folks here seem to be of similar mind: they kinda like cars/machines, so don't want to take a decent car and drive it until it falls apart and dies, but rather drive a car without credit, where repairs & maintenance approximately equal depreciation.

acronym Chilli

I still can't post links ... anyway...

Renault Laguna estate, 2002, 1.8l petrol, 130k miles, NCT to January, €850
donedeal ... renault-laguna-2002/10079706?offset=7

Also, Mercedes C180, 2000, 1.8l petrol, automatic, NCT to June 2016, €1450 ("price or near offer")
Prospect motors, 95k miles, ad_id=1300739
The car is there for a while (I'd say a month?), so I'd say there's room for negotiation.

acronym Chilli

(reading up, i'll be 50 posts before i can post a link, so hopefully folk can bear with me in the meantime!)

Sterling Archer

acronym Chilli wrote: »

I still can't post links ... anyway...

Renault Laguna estate, 2002, 1.8l petrol, 130k miles, NCT to January, €850
donedeal ... renault-laguna-2002/10079706?offset=7

Linky for you
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-laguna-2002/10079706?offset=7

acronym Chilli wrote: »

Also, Mercedes C180, 2000, 1.8l petrol, automatic, NCT to June 2016, €1450 ("price or near offer")
Prospect motors, 95k miles, ad_id=1300739
The car is there for a while (I'd say a month?), so I'd say there's room for negotiation.

And i think
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz-c-class-1-8-litre-petrol/9835638?offset=1

Duke O Smiley

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1998-vw-polo-1-ol-nct-1-16-/10087435?offset=5


Sunroof is cool.

Thargor

Wow, Id be buying that this evening if it was in Dublin/Wicklow.

Sleepy

Loving the updates, I think it really adds value to the thread.

My own bangernomics purchase was a €450 Civic which a €50 brake service got through the NCT. She's in the garage today for a full service and, honestly, I'm expecting to spend another €500 or so on her over the next few weeks (I'm fairly certain the timing belt needs to be done - no indication it's been done in over 120k miles!) to get a few years out of it.

alias no.9

bajer101 wrote: »

Not really Bangernomics then, is it? And €2505 is not your total spend for 10 months - you have excluded tax. I'm not dissing your purchase, but when you have to start forking out that amount amount of money just to keep it on the road, there is a good chance that more good money will follow bad. Bangernomics for me is a car that can be bought for less than €2k and will run for a couple of years without any major outlay.

I've got a few post quite a way back detailing my Volvo bangernomic Odyssey and now's as good a time as any to update with 2 years of ownership fast approaching. There's always something to shell out for but you're right, spending more on parts than the car is probably a bit foolhardy unless you're looking to keep it for a long time. It's only at the end you can fully measure the value of the parts spend.

To date I've spent €20ish on a thermostat in the first few weeks following an overheating incident that nearly saw me abandon bangernomics. €50ish on a bracket for the exhaust for its second NCT and €350ish on 4 Hankooks. Other than that its about 12 litres of Halfords oil, always picked up on special offer, filters and that's about it.

I've spent more than the purchase price and all the parts on motor tax in the two years but that's life, I've had 180bhp under the bonnet, heated leather under my arse and even a fully functioning car phone (not car kit). Tax is a part of life and people baulk at the prospect of paying 2.0 litre tax but its less than €20 per month more expensive than a 1.6 and for the most part you'll buy the 2.0 for pittance in comparison to the 1.6 at bangernomics level. I think you're being overly harsh on the previous poster on the tax front.

26000 Elephants

I think bangernomics is more of a philosophy rather than a science with hard and fast rules. Its about getting as much value as possible out of your chosen car. And to maximize value, you sometimes need to invest in the car rather than cutting losses and scrapping.

Every time you change the car, you are hitting the reset button, and your risk level goes back to 100% again. For example, you have been running a civic for 6 months, and have fixed a few minor issues and now have it running sweetly. You realise it now needs a 300 euro timing belt job. Pure bangernomics might suggest you cut it loose, but what will you replace it with? Whatever it will be, it will cost a factor of 2 or 3 times the cost of the belt, and have you back at square one with the other 'unseen' issues.

Although I never think of resale, it has to be said that looking after a car so that it can be resold really does add to the bottom line. Also, from an environmental perspective its always positive to keep a good car running rather than scrapping. But obviously there are boundaries to this, and some cars simply become uneconomical to fix. But you can mitigate that to a large degree by careful consideration at purchase time.

Or I could just be waaaay overthinking this!!