Just General Chat About WoT

Tenger

copeyhagen wrote: »

nice one, never really gelled with the kv1s like i did with the kv1, i still play it though, seems im always in tier 8 games. .grrr....

Whereas I just can't get comfortable with my KV-1. Have it about 2 months now and actually dislike playing it so far. Maybe the Heavy's just don't agree with me. (Only have a handful)

Spear wrote: »

Historically these things were only meant to be refined KV-1's, a littler lighter and faster. And not the ersatz IS-2 they act as.

I'm with Shadowhearth.......I stay well clear of KV-1S when I see one....I got 2 Premium Tier 7 tanks and still try to shoot them in the back.

copeyhagen

Kv1 when its top tier is a behemoth at tier 5.

the kv1s is to be split into two different tanks, possibly in 9.2? maybe a bit later.

if the russian heavies dont excite you another nations heavies might. germans are great snipers, us are great brawlers. havent played british heavies past tier 5, but the chinese is2 on look decent.

Nody

copeyhagen wrote: »

what i would normally do on a heavy is:

train repairs to 100%
take second skill, camo. when camo reaches 50% on commander, drop all his skills(to 90% for 20k silver), take sixth sense(this will be 100% so comes into effect straight away), then take second skill as repair again. this will be at about 6% now.

for rest of crew, take repair, then camo, then firefighting or whatever as third. when third skill for each member reaches 50%, drop all skills, take brothers in arms (as long as commander has 50% on third skill), then repairs, then camo.

and rinse and repeat.

tds i always start with camo. bia can be substituted for any other skill or perk if you prefer.

BIA is sadly very bad; I used to have it on every tank but even on a insane reload like arty it's negligible and it's simply not worth the experience until forth or later skill (it's actual reload effect is 2.3%, not 5%; same reason why the vents suck)

Personally for heavy I'll usually go Sixth sense / repair as first skill (to lazy to lose exp from reset). Then Repair / class specific (i.e. ammo storage, radio range etc.) and third usually being either camo or if I'm a rush tank spotting range / aiming stability / soft ground speed (but only if I'll go for 100% on the skill if not I'll simply go camo). I never bother with the fire skill because it's very rare I go beyond 1 tick of damage (always run small extinguisher) and the number of times I've been set on fire twice are in the 1 in 1000 range.

ShadowHearth

Sixth sense is pretty much a must on anything. I only discovered when I came back to Wot again. I don't know how I was playing without it before.

copeyhagen

yeh, bia is a bit meh. its very marmite on the wot forums alright.

6th sense is a godsend. i HATE playing my tanks that dont have it yet.

VikingG

yes.. sixth sense is a must...

What gets me is that I have about 15 tanks...with sixth sense on 7 or 8... but then I forget on which ones as I am playing and there seems to be no way to check in-game if you have sixth sense.. except the hard way..

Tenger

I watched the QB youtube vids on crew skills the other day. It may not apply to you higher tier guys. (I looked at Heavy,Medium,TD versions)
He pretty much says that Camo is needed on anything under 500 HP/under Tier 5. At this level 1 shot will track you and/or damage you so much you have modules knocked out or are a 1 shot kill after that. So NOT getting spotted and shot is a priority.

About 500 hp/Tier 5 Repairs is more useful as 1 shot will not cripple you, so you want to get tracks back up ASAP to get out of danger. So repairs on Heavy's and Mediums. (Camo still good for TDs, especially the German glass cannons)

He pretty much agrees with the above comments on BIA, use it for your 4rd or 5th skill. 6th Sense, Repairs/Camo, then a class specific are usually more important that BIA.



I got my Hellcat crew at 99%...so almost got my first tank with 6th Sense. Got 3 other TDs with above 90%.

Nody

copeyhagen wrote: »

yeh, bia is a bit meh. its very marmite on the wot forums alright.

Well to put it in perspective on reload (one of the key reasons to get BIA) a 60s reload would be reduced to 58.62s instead; so less then 1.5s if you got 60s reload (which most tanks don't). A 20s reload goes down to 19.54s; once again how often do you go, darn it 0.46s faster reload on my really long reload would have done all the difference in that battle.

That then leaves speed and view distance; both which have specialized skills which give far higher boost then BIA...

BigEejit

Did they nerf it? i was under the impression that it was 5%

copeyhagen

its still 5% alright according to the wot app

Nody

BigEejit wrote: »

Did they nerf it? i was under the impression that it was 5%

It's 5% skill; 5% skill beyond 100% which does not equal 5% reduction in load time but rather 2.3%

Manic Moran

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Sixth sense is pretty much a must on anything. I only discovered when I came back to Wot again. I don't know how I was playing without it before.

I disagree. Is pretty much mandatory for artillery, and some TDs. Otherwise, it doesn't do anything for me. I have a very aggressive playstyle, and as far as I'm concerned, I'm always visible. You should be moving and jinking at all times. 6th Sense only gives you warning three seconds later anyway.

ShadowHearth

Manic Moran wrote: »

I disagree. Is pretty much mandatory for artillery, and some TDs. Otherwise, it doesn't do anything for me. I have a very aggressive playstyle, and as far as I'm concerned, I'm always visible. You should be moving and jinking at all times. 6th Sense only gives you warning three seconds later anyway.

Considering how much more benefit sixth sense gives over any other skill, I don't see why you would not want to have it.
I doubt from your description you go in pants down with a tongue on your side all the time. There are always times when you need to hide or remind you that you got in **** position and need to move. How many times you got shot from somewhere you did not even see? You said you play aggressively so that should definitely happen to you and not once. I have been saved so many times by sixth sense, just because I did not advanced further, when I though I was not spoted and save.

Light tanks - knowing that you spoted is a huge must. You got no armour to take blows, so every little helps and a notice ,that you got spoted in that bush is a life saver.
Medium - have to be versatile and not always you can afford pants down approach. In fact flanking and ambushing is a big thing in mediums. If you know you got spoted already you might reconsider or take another turn in your flanking/rush. That will save you from instant pop.
TDs - A must point blank. Yes you need Camo too, but I would still go sixth sense and Camo on the rest of the crew and then get Camo as second skill on commander.
Heavy - extremely handy, but debatable if you really need it as first skill. I would still take sixth sense first over repair, but I could live with repair too.
Arty - funny enough I think it is the least needed skill, because if as arty you spoted, you might as well sign your death wish. I would see Camo to be more effective measure to not get spoted in the first place.

I am no expert and that's just from my own experience. A lot of skill are very underwhelming to say the least. From all of them sixth sense is just over all best solution and biggest bang for your money.

Manic Moran

Considering how much more benefit sixth sense gives over any other skill, I don't see why you would not want to have it.

6th sense doesn't help me kill anything.

I will usually put mentor or recon on my TC in front of it. Recon so I can see further and kill things faster (especially in one of those 'one-on-one at the end of the battle' duels, where see first shoot first tends to win), or mentor to increase the ability of all my other crewmen to get better at what they do faster. In fact, I will often put BIA on there in front of it as well, 5% ain't much on its own, but it's 5% more, on everything. See further, reload faster, aim quicker...

ShadowHearth

Manic Moran wrote: »

6th sense doesn't help me kill anything.

I will usually put mentor or recon on my TC in front of it. Recon so I can see further and kill things faster (especially in one of those 'one-on-one at the end of the battle' duels, where see first shoot first tends to win), or mentor to increase the ability of all my other crewmen to get better at what they do faster. In fact, I will often put BIA on there in front of it as well, 5% ain't much on its own, but it's 5% more, on everything. See further, reload faster, aim quicker...

It does not help you kill anything Directly, but it lets you survive longer so you CAN kill stuff.
Recon increases view range by like wooping 2%? I dont really think it will help you that much in real life situation. Its nice to have, but its not even near as useful as sixth sense.
BIA was talked about here already. You need it on all members to actual work. So a skill wasted on ALL crew members for another minimal procentage increase? Yes, every little helps, but I have never been in situation where I would say "You know what, if I would have reloaded that gun by 0.02 second faster, I would have killed everyone on enemy team". I will take sixth sense + extra skill on every single crew member over BIA any day of the week.

I completely understand for having preferences in what skills you like to have on your Crew, but out of all Skills the one that gives most benefit is Sixth sense. Considering how many very high level Wot Players use it too, its pretty safe to say - its the best skill to have in almost any situation.
Then again, we talking about opinions. Opinions like assholes, everyone has one.

Canis Lupus

I was always of the impression that BIA was actually good.... I guess I'll have to reset that...

As for 6th sense I'm with Manic particularly in regards to a heavy tank. I basically work under the assumption I'm always spotted but then I generally am charging right at the enemy so it's a no brainer....

Nody

Manic Moran wrote: »

6th sense doesn't help me kill anything.

I will usually put mentor or recon on my TC in front of it. Recon so I can see further and kill things faster (especially in one of those 'one-on-one at the end of the battle' duels, where see first shoot first tends to win), or mentor to increase the ability of all my other crewmen to get better at what they do faster. In fact, I will often put BIA on there in front of it as well, 5% ain't much on its own, but it's 5% more, on everything. See further, reload faster, aim quicker...

2.3% faster; not 5%. It's 5% crew skill but there's a diminish return once you go beyond 100% skill so the 5% (well 6% shown) actually only works out at 2.3% faster. That means as noted above less then 0.5s faster reload on a 20s gun or that your aim circle is fully still at 4.985s rather then 5s (yes, that's how small the effect is).

copeyhagen

6th sense is a must for me on my light tanks, and my mediums.. and my tds too. heavies, its so/so. didnt bother with it on my is4 as theres no real need, some of my heavies i sue it though. my tiger h crew are from my lowe, 4 skills, so they have it and it does help sometimes.

Tenger

Canis Lupus wrote: »

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As for 6th sense I'm with Manic particularly in regards to a heavy tank. I basically work under the assumption I'm always spotted but then I generally am charging right at the enemy so it's a no brainer....

copeyhagen wrote: »

6th sense is a must for me on my light tanks, and my mediums.. and my tds too. heavies, its so/so. didnt bother with it on my is4 as theres no real need, .....

So while definitely useful perhaps less so on Heavies?

copeyhagen

slow ehavies like kv4 are arty magnets anyway, so i wouldnt really bother with it.

german heavies i tend to play as sniper so its handy to know when spotted.

us and is line ussr heavies i would consider brawlers and wouldn't particularly need it.

on mediums its great, cresting over a ridge in patton, using depression to snipe targets, need to know when spotted for example

same with tds.

ShadowHearth

My T25 AT Mastery badge. It was awesome and super close game.

Took a TD asshole spot over the river in Lakeville. Had a good few shots and missed opportunities on some. Half way in the game we were losing badly and enemy took over west flank. They were stupid and cocky enough not to cap.
I got so lucky as a huge SU russian TD was near me, he parked next to me and never notice my ass in bush lol. I managed to get bastard out with a help from heavies over in town.
I rushed in to their spawn to just to get tracked... Took out arty and then the most WTF moment happpened. KV-1s just went on me. I landed 2 hits on him and then he just danced around me. 48hp left on me and he needed one more shot too. To my shock, when I almost realised my death - BOOM! Is3 from town got a shot at him! I surived!!!
So final picture: enemy T34 in our spawn ( 40hp ). Me and IS3 in their spawn on on 3% lol. we went for cap and won the game.

this game can put you in Nerdrage and make you hate life itself, but then you get one good game and its all forgiven!

ShadowHearth

Some very very nice deals tomorrow.

T34 2200 gold and 7 days premium - 49.99eu
15000 gold and Tetrarch - 49.99eu

http://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/premium/premshop-mean-dangerous/

http://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/44/special-dday-2014/


I am really really tempted to finally get myself T34. Looks like its better to get that 15000 gold package though as the tank you get is rare and if I remember right, a bit OP for its tier.

Aenaes

Yeah, I'm tempted to buy the B2 package myself. At the moment, you get 14,500 gold for €50. With the B2 bundle, you are getting and extra 500 gold, the B2 tank and a garage slot extra.

ShadowHearth

Aenaes wrote: »

Yeah, I'm tempted to buy the B2 package myself. At the moment, you get 14,500 gold for €50. With the B2 bundle, you are getting and extra 500 gold, the B2 tank and a garage slot extra.

I droped extra 40eu in to Visa just now. I might finally get myself that 15000 gold and get Premium. I want to get T34, but I will waste Crew training benefit. The only Heavy Tank I want from Americans is T57 Heavy and road to it is a bit retarded... no way I am going to go that route.
Hows Lowe? I am in to my German Heavies nicely, so I would get some use.

Oh, we decided with another 3 lads to have a World of Tanks Drink night. Got beer and Pizza ordered too. We will all choose Nation and line we dont have tanks in and start from Tier1 or 2 in platoon. In 3 men platoons, which ever does worst skips a game.
We thinking to introduce Warthunder rule too. If someone gets a kill others got to drink!

Nody

I find the Löwe to be fine honestly; it's a decent sniper but poor lower armor so don't rush ahead basically.

magick

I got the ferdi and up its stock engine its the slowest thing on the battlefield its an arty magnet

copeyhagen wrote: »

slow ehavies like kv4 are arty magnets anyway, so i wouldnt really bother with it.

german heavies i tend to play as sniper so its handy to know when spotted.

us and is line ussr heavies i would consider brawlers and wouldn't particularly need it.

on mediums its great, cresting over a ridge in patton, using depression to snipe targets, need to know when spotted for example

same with tds.

copeyhagen

shams i would deffo like 6th sense on the ferdi alright. even with the top engine its slow as fook. i was about 15k xp away from unlocking it from my tiger p, but i have stopped now.

shadow, i love the lowe, its a great credit earner and probably the most accurate tier 8 heavy, great for sniping, if you can go hull down its turret is well angled and can boucne like a mother****a. MOST PEOPLE PREFER THE T34...

had a great game in it the other night, got hull down behind a rock and bounced a load of shots, ill post the replay later, t34 couldnt pen me.

ShadowHearth

Lol, I wrote it in wrong thread.

So yeah, got that 50eu package. Lots of gold and a tank to buy.
Had a game in that little Russian beast. Some gun on it for that tier!!!

ShadowHearth

I know, I know. A boring decision. Its like all those people who order first Ferrari and all go for red Colour! :pac:

Aenaes

Nice tank, enjoy it. Beware the long reload and aim time however.

ShadowHearth

Okay, When people said it is a credit printing machine - they were right. Even if you do badly, it still brings a nice profit. It costs only 7.3k to repair too.
I am yet to get a good win in damn thing, because MM puts me in to team of complete Donkeys so far.
Tank itself is actually fun and that gun is a lot better then I though. I expected KV2 with haubica, but I was wrong. Still okay accuracy and good gun depression. On the other hand anything has a good gun depression to me after "russian tanks"

Nody

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Okay, When people said it is a credit printing machine - they were right. Even if you do badly, it still brings a nice profit. It costs only 7.3k to repair too.
I am yet to get a good win in damn thing, because MM puts me in to team of complete Donkeys so far.
Tank itself is actually fun and that gun is a lot better then I though. I expected KV2 with haubica, but I was wrong. Still okay accuracy and good gun depression. On the other hand anything has a good gun depression to me after "russian tanks"

A good game will get you over 100k; a great game will take you beyond 135k (premium account). I think the only time I've managed to lose money was when I got killed with out damaging anything (ricochets etc.) and the loss was like 2k only.

ShadowHearth

Nody wrote: »

A good game will get you over 100k; a great game will take you beyond 135k (premium account). I think the only time I've managed to lose money was when I got killed with out damaging anything (ricochets etc.) and the loss was like 2k only.

I got 97k for a loss in one game. I was like WTF?! The game was good for me, but not great. Usually I just get 50-60k per match where I do below okay.
I think I made about 1mil last night with it. A good lash of XP too. I am stock pilling XP for conversion as I dont really need Crew trained too fast as thats the only american Heavy I got.

All in all, if anyone needs credits, then T34 is just great. Its expensive to buy, but if you do credits no now and then, then just get this T34, it will pay for itself in days. On top of that, it is competitive even in tier 10 games. Surprisingly I does not put you in to tier 10 games that often too.

Aenaes

ShadowHearth, have you chosen equipment for your T34 yet? The most common ones are Gun Rammer, Improved Ventilation, Gun Laying Drive and Vertical Stabilizer.

Personally, I use the rammer, ventilation and gun laying drive.

Spear

In other words anything that gets that all important gun singing.

ShadowHearth

Aenaes wrote: »

ShadowHearth, have you chosen equipment for your T34 yet? The most common ones are Gun Rammer, Improved Ventilation, Gun Laying Drive and Vertical Stabilizer.

Personally, I use the rammer, ventilation and gun laying drive.

I just use what I can afford right now. So it was camo, binoculars and Gun rammer. Ill get better ones later on.

ShadowHearth

I should not play T34 today. I am just being completely sodomized by everything. I dont know why I cant get any decent games in it. Maybe I am not used to its massive size...

Smiles35

Any news on the next campaign? When will it be and what tiers? I liked training up the tier 6's and 8's last time.

Smiles35

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I should not play T34 today. I am just being completely sodomized by everything. I dont know why I cant get any decent games in it. Maybe I am not used to its massive size...

I find it a pain too. 5 skills and barely hanging on to the 53% win ratio which was the norm a year ago.

ShadowHearth

Well T34 is my black hole of performance. I just cant even pull out a Win in it. I switch to other tank and getting decent games or at least a Win or Two.

I think I made a mistake by getting T34 now. Lowe was a better choice. Lower Alpha damage, but at least it can aim at stuff and does not have hull made out of paper and confetti.

Nody

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Well T34 is my black hole of performance. I just cant even pull out a Win in it. I switch to other tank and getting decent games or at least a Win or Two.

I think I made a mistake by getting T34 now. Lowe was a better choice. Lower Alpha damage, but at least it can aim at stuff and does not have hull made out of paper and confetti.

Oh it does; it very much does and those hits are likely to damage the engine as well.

Smiles35

Well, seeing as you have the T34 get the gun-layer, fast aimer and maybe optics because it seems to be completly blind these days. Anyone else concidering buying a primium, get an AT-15A and camp the base.

Spear

AT-15As....

I've think I've seen more Panzer 2Js around than those.

Hopefully since they're not selling, they'll use them as a mission reward instead.

Nody

Noblong wrote: »

Well, seeing as you have the T34 get the gun-layer, fast aimer and maybe optics because it seems to be completly blind these days. Anyone else concidering buying a primium, get an AT-15A and camp the base.

Sorry but poor penetration T7 cannon on a slow T7 tank? Sorry but no thanks; you need damage to make money as tanking is worth nothing (in terms of credits) and I'd recommend the E25 or SU-122 any day of the week for T7 TD play.

Smiles35

Allright, I was half-messing. I just looked up the gun again. Still, I despise this game sometimes, and my only pleasure in protest is camping the base in the AT-2.

ShadowHearth

Actually I played it more now and I finally getting the hang of this thing. That gun still wins a troll award of wot ever, but I just trying to get some damage done and then eat all those credits! Nom Nom Nom!
I am on 4.7 mil right now and I managed to get 30k Xp to convert. I got stockpiled 140k so I will start pumping crew now. Will have that crew ready for my heavies, when I come around to it.

I just researched tiger 2. Not sure if I buy it now, or keep it for later. Reason is, that I am sort of having a craving for some auto loader scum tank. T57 would be ultimate bastard, but I can't put myself through that line. A bit stupid if you ask me. Light/med line which ends on heavy...
French heavies anyone? Though I will skip on first 3, D1 And D2 are the worst thing ever created. At least we were half drunk when we played those and we had some stupid funny ****.

Aenaes

T34 gun requires patience. Even when you've let it aim for a bit and it looks like it should definitely hit the tank you are aiming for, wait the couple more seconds so it's fully aimed.

French heavies. I'm only at B1 myself. BDR is generally considered horrible. ARL 44 is said to be pretty crap. AMX M4 45 is supposedly weak. AMX 50 100 seems to be fantastic and is where the French heavies start to have auto-loading mechanisms. Auto-loaders are very different playstyle though and can take a while to get used to.

ShadowHearth

Aenaes wrote: »

T34 gun requires patience. Even when you've let it aim for a bit and it looks like it should definitely hit the tank you are aiming for, wait the couple more seconds so it's fully aimed.

French heavies. I'm only at B1 myself. BDR is generally considered horrible. ARL 44 is said to be pretty crap. AMX M4 45 is supposedly weak. AMX 50 100 seems to be fantastic and is where the French heavies start to have auto-loading mechanisms. Auto-loaders are very different playstyle though and can take a while to get used to.

That's actually spot on. It has quite good accuracy, but it needs time. Patience is a key. Another thing that helped me - play it as TD. I know turret is awesome, but it has massive weakspot that you can't really hide it and hull... What hull...

Nody

Aenaes wrote: »

French heavies. I'm only at B1 myself. BDR is generally considered horrible. ARL 44 is said to be pretty crap. AMX M4 45 is supposedly weak. AMX 50 100 seems to be fantastic and is where the French heavies start to have auto-loading mechanisms. Auto-loaders are very different playstyle though and can take a while to get used to.

The problem with French heavy line it does a 180 on style forcing you to change multiple times. Up to tier 5 or so it's insane armor/poor gun then it changes over to ok armor / ok gun until you hit T8 and it goes no armor / ok gun / "oh and if you're caught for the 45s drum reload you're dead because everyone are aiming for you"...

With that 6 drum is also oh so tempting to go in, kill that tank and then suddenly you're going "oh hai mediums, would you mind waiting while I reload?"...

copeyhagen

finally got my batchat, only have the second from to pgun, from the lorraine bt its a beast. like the 1390..

i actually bounced 2 shots from a wte100 yesterday, it bounces shots, and its meant to be paper thin!

gonna be my fav tank i think...