UFC 172 Jones v Teixeira *SPOILERS**

Gumbi

amkin25 wrote: »

Where was his fight weight posted? i missed that

I posted the yahoo sports thing showing him at 218.2 a month before his fight. That means for sure he is at that weight or lower on fight night.

amkin25

where is the fight weight posted?

Gumbi

amkin25 wrote: »

where is the fight weight posted?

Go through my post history...

amkin25

A month before the fight? its actually nearly 2 months 4th march, seriously ur trolling lol
What does 4th march weighing scales prove.

Gumbi

amkin25 wrote: »

A month before the fight? its actually nearly 2 months 4th march, seriously ur trolling lol
What does 4th march weighing scales prove.

Hoollly mother of... WOW. If he is 220 2 months before the fight, what makes you think he'll be any higher in 2 months time? This stands more to my point not less.

You're talking absolute nonsene th this stage. 220 is clearly his camp weight when he's training and dieting. If anything he is even less on fight night as he possibly diets off even more in that 2 months. As said in the piece he tries to cut ~10 pounds of water.

Walk around weight is meaningless if you're fat. You really don't have a clue what you're talking about.

amkin25

Keep drinking the kool-aid lol ,but how old are u seriously ?
Look you believe what u want man ,i know more than you i guarantee and im not gonna argue anymore.
Goodnight it's bedtime take it easy.

Gumbi

amkin25 wrote: »

Keep drinking the kool-aid lol ,but how old are u seriously ?
Look you believe what u want man ,i know more than you i guarantee and im not gonna argue anymore.
Goodnight it's bedtime take it easy.

Sooo. Now you know Jones is sub 220 fight night. But can you admit it in a public forum? That is the question. Good morning to you too.

It was fun.

Zero-Cool

I can't stand the way he was holding Texeira's face the whole time, even after getting an eye poke warning. I knew Tex wasn't the man to beat him and I don't think Gus will either so he will remain unbeaten for quite some time. As talented as he is, I only ever find myself pi$$ed off after watching his antics in the Octagon.

Dana says he has to do something about the eye pokes. Not sure what can be done unless you make holding peoples faces illegal.

MrStuffins

MrStuffins wrote: »

Jones is amazing. I feel sorry for those who hate him because some of them let their hate get in the way of enjoying watching one of the best fighters to have ever fought

As I was saying, we see an unreal performance from the best fighter in the world and some people completely ignore the complete dominance he showed and focus on his open hand being on Glover's head and the fact that he saw out the last 30 seconds (of a 25 minute fight) avoiding the big haymaker, a fight he had won every minute of every round.

Roar

I was mesmerised by that Jones performance. Complete and utter perfection from start to finish. An absolute pleasure to watch. He's the greatest of all time, no doubt.

Highlight of the night though was Castillo's KO. BOOM!



Overall, a very very enjoyable night of fights. Rumble looked like a badass too.

*Edit scratch that, just saw this



Holy Shiiiiiiit....

darced

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MrStuffins

darced wrote: »

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Nothing. But most haters let it get in the way of sense.

It's when there's never a mention of the positives that there's obviously haterism going on!

He had his hands open for almost the entire fight and there were two eye pokes. The rest of the time Jones' hands were on the top of Glover's head.

The open hands had nothing to do with the vicious beating he put on Glover however. The elbows, punches, knees, kicks, that nasty arm crank which injured him!

amkin25

I actually like jones and generally i do be rooting for him in most fights but i personally feel he does come in bigger and heavier,there's nothing in the rules that says he can't do that, but i think his foremost skill that gives him the edge is his weight cutting.
He's better than most at it,also his reach does give him a big edge and u cant blame someone for having a big reach, the eye poking thing was definetely a factor in last night's fight although he would have won anyway,but when he hold's his hand on glover's head u can say he is holding the top of his head but there is nowhere for glover to move or see without getting an eye poke in that situation.

Gumbi

amkin25 wrote: »

I actually like jones and generally i do be rooting for him in most fights but i personally feel he does come in bigger and heavier,there's nothing in the rules that says he can't do that, but i think his foremost skill that gives him the edge is his weight cutting.
He's better than most at it,also his reach does give him a big edge and u cant blame someone for having a big reach, the eye poking thing was definetely a factor in last night's fight although he would have won anyway,but when he hold's his hand on glover's head u can say he is holding the top of his head but there is nowhere for glover to move or see without getting an eye poke in that situation.

He comes in under 220 man I don't k ow what you're talking about. If he is 218 2 bloody months before his fight you can be sure his fogjt weight is either 218 or lower.

He is certai ly not a small LHW but he is by no means the biggest (I'm sure Davis and Johnson are bigger).

mailburner

That was an absolute masterclass by jones
he fought the perfect fight and outclassed tex in every dept
It was impossible to fault that performance


I thought beforehand tex had some sort of chance but after the first
few mins you could have called jones the winner
I think personally gus is the only man who'll push him all the way

you have to admire a guy who takes on the likes of texeira who's been
knocking out lads left right and centre and takes him on at his own game similiar
to what gsp did to others over the years

amkin25

I'm not starting this again today lol ,clearly when he cuts a lot of weight he would do trial cuts b4 fights that could easily explain him being 220 2 months b4 a fight.
It's possible some other's cut more but he is the best at cutting weight and doing it healthily so he doesn't gas, just look at him at the weigh in hes ripped, u can see his 6 pack ,then look at him on the fight in the cage before the it starts he almost has a belly on him.
It's obvious he has put on a lot more than 10 pounds.

Gumbi

amkin25 wrote: »

I'm not starting this again today lol ,clearly when he cuts a lot of weight he would do trial cuts b4 fights that could easily explain him being 220 2 months b4 a fight.
It's possible some other's cut more but he is the best at cutting weight and doing it healthily so he doesn't gas, just look at him at the weigh in hes ripped, u can see his 6 pack ,then look at him on the fight in the cage before the it starts he almost has a belly on him.
It's obvious he has put on a lot more than 10 pounds.

So much wrong with this lol. First of all, you are claiming that he is lying about that weight 2 months before his fight and saying he is midcut. That's quite a claim, but of course it's not based on any evidence, rather pure speculation.

You don't seem to know anything aboit weight cutting. Have you ever actually done it? I have. It takes it out of you. It's highly unlikely a champion needs to do a test cut 7 weeks beforehis fight (considering his experience). Again, pure speculation by you.

Honestly man you're talking out of your arse, you have no idea what you're talking about, have provided no evidence for your claims and are basing everything off speculation.

MrStuffins

I'm confused, are people saying he has an unfair advantage because he cuts weight?

99% of fighters cut weight. Whenever someone fights at their "natural" weight they're always told they're too small for the weight.

Cutting weight can be an advantage, but not cutting weight is a bigger disadvantage.

For the record, i'd say a lot of Jones's opponents would've cut more weight than him. Hammil, Rampage, Rashad, Bader......

The ones who didn't are now MWs. Chael, Machida, Belfort............ it's the nature of the beast!

amkin25

MrStuffins wrote: »

I'm confused, are people saying he has an unfair advantage because he cuts weight?

99% of fighters cut weight. Whenever someone fights at their "natural" weight they're always told they're too small for the weight.

Cutting weight can be an advantage, but not cutting weight is a bigger disadvantage.

For the record, i'd say a lot of Jones's opponents would've cut more weight than him. Hammil, Rampage, Rashad, Bader......

The ones who didn't are now MWs. Chael, Machida, Belfort............ it's the nature of the beast!

I agree it's the nature of the beast not sure about chael or machida they both seemed more natural at the weight,hence they also fought at lower weights, but i think anyone that wants to argue like the kid above just take a look at his weigh in at ufc.com and have a look at him fight night .
You don't need to be a genius to see his belly has got flabby overnight clearly because he has piled on the weight.

Gumbi

MrStuffins wrote: »

I'm confused, are people saying he has an unfair advantage because he cuts weight?

99% of fighters cut weight. Whenever someone fights at their "natural" weight they're always told they're too small for the weight.

Cutting weight can be an advantage, but not cutting weight is a bigger disadvantage.

For the record, i'd say a lot of Jones's opponents would've cut more weight than him. Hammil, Rampage, Rashad, Bader......

The ones who didn't are now MWs. Chael, Machida, Belfort............ it's the nature of the beast!

I'm arguing with someone who refuses to accept that several of his opponents have been heavier than him for sure. Like I said hours ago, Joneses legs are chicken legs compared to the legs of the freestyle collegiate wrestlers he has faced.

And I've provided evidence of him being 218.2 (with a pic) 7 weeks before this fight only to have it thrown back at me saying either Jones is lying and is actually mid cut or he actually PUTS ON weight in those 7 weeks. Absolute drivel.

He is NOT a small LHW but he is CERTAINLY not the biggest.

@ above. Evidence please. I have provided evidence of him being 218 7 weeks prior to this fight. Either the photo is doctored to deceive, or that is roughly his fight weight. Which is it?

Will you admit he has fought heavier guys who most certainly cut more water weight than him? Or will you continue to convince yourswlf otherwise?

weemcd

who cares what weight jones is at between fights as long as he makes weight on weigh in day, it's a non-issue

Mellor

Jones cuts a normal amount of weight for a LHW.
I don't see how that's hard to understand.
And trial cuts...lol

MrStuffins

weemcd wrote: »

who cares what weight jones is at between fights as long as he makes weight on weigh in day, it's a non-issue

This!

There isn't a fighter in the game who is the same weight in the cage than they are on the scale!

Gumbi

weemcd wrote: »

who cares what weight jones is at between fights as long as he makes weight on weigh in day, it's a non-issue

This dude claimed he ahould be fighting Dos Santos type guys last night. It was hilarious.

amkin25

I think it is sort of a non-issue but i think for the interest of the spectators,they should be forced to weigh in before the fight and have it declared ,although having no outcome on the previous day's weigh in just purely so we know what each fighter is coming in weighing.

Gumbi

amkin25 wrote: »

I think it is sort of a non-issue but i think for the interest of the spectators,they should be forced to weigh in before the fight and have it declared ,although having no outcome on the previous day's weigh in just purely so we know what each fighter is coming in weighing.

He has fought more than a few LHWs who were in all likelehood bigger than him on fight night. What do you think of that?

No onw is saying he is small but he is certainly not the biggest LHW.

Gumbi

Mellor wrote: »

Jones cuts a normal amount of weight for a LHW.
I don't see how that's hard to understand.
And trial cuts...lol

Not only that but the intention of the pic was to show what he weighed at the time. So not only ia this poster claiming he was midcut, but thst the photo was also intentionally made to deceive. It's comedy at this stage.

amkin25

You can't prove that just like i can't ,when they start weighing them pre fight and declaring it we will know conclusively.

amkin25

Clearly if you weigh a lot more than the weight you will trial down to keep your weight in check he doesnt have to cut down to 205 and drain himself ,but if you were as competent at it as jones his you would regularily keep your weight in check hence he could easily go down to 220 every so often without draining himself.

Gumbi

amkin25 wrote: »

You can't prove that just like i can't ,when they start weighing them pre fight and declaring it we will know conclusively.

No but I have no reason to assume he would lie. You're the one making thst assumption. He clearly posted a pic showing him at 218 several weeks before his fight. So again, I ask you. Was this photo doctored or will you admit that according to all the evidence this is roughly the fight weight?

mailburner

:pac:

Gumbi

mailburner wrote: »

:pac:

Forgive me

amkin25

http://www.mmamania.com/2012/4/20/2963031/jon-jones-weight-size-ufc-145-title-fight-rashad-evans-greg-jackson-mma

Surely proves my point coz he has only got bigger since then.

amkin25

I sincerly doubt he decided to start making himself smaller when he didn't gas in a 5 round fight v rashad.

Gumbi

amkin25 wrote: »

http://www.mmamania.com/2012/4/20/2963031/jon-jones-weight-size-ufc-145-title-fight-rashad-evans-greg-jackson-mma

Surely proves my point coz he has only got bigger since then.

Walk around weight is totally different to fight shape. Very few fighters always stay in shape. You truly haven't a clue what you're talking about.

amkin25

Gumbi wrote: »

Walk around weight is totally different to fight shape. Very few fighters always stay in shape. You truly haven't a clue what you're talking about.

I can guess your a kid find somewhere else to vent ur anger man,im done point proved you are wrong as this article proved.
Take it easy kid

darced

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Gumbi

darced wrote: »

He most certainly is the biggest if we go by frame rather than weight,If he didnt have his chicken legs he would no way make LHW.

Legs count man. If he had huge legs then ofc he would be bigger. But he doesn't so he isn't.

MrStuffins

darced wrote: »

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But he does have chicken legs, so he can make 205.

His legs are also a couple of his biggest weapons so it could be seen as a disadvantage if that's the way the conversation is going.

Gumbi

amkin25 wrote: »

I can guess your a kid find somewhere else to vent ur anger man,im done point proved you are wrong as this article proved.
Take it easy kid

The article implies that his walk around weight is 230. Something which I have no trouble believing. It's expected. But walk around weight has nothing to do with fight weight except in a few select cases (GSP for example).

Some UFC lightweights go as high as 190 plus off season (this is documented), for examlle Bendo competed JuJitsu as 192 or 196 category.

But as much as 20 pounds of this is dieted off durong their fight camps.

You should inform yourself of these things man. I don't consider myswlf some kid I've actually educated mtswlf about weight cutting as I've had to so it myself when I compete.

Gumbi

MrStuffins wrote: »

But he does have chicken legs, so he can make 205.

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Bang on.

darced

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Gumbi

darced wrote: »

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That's fair enough but it's not really the argument that is being had. All I am saying is that while he is certainly not small for a LHW it's ridiculous to say he is the biggest.

MrStuffins

darced wrote: »

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You might do that, but it's neither here nor there because the classes are decided by weight!

Also, "frame" is a very wishy washy term. Corey Hill is the same height and has a similar reach. He weighs much less however because of body composition.

El Guapo!

amkin25 wrote: »

I can guess your a kid find somewhere else to vent ur anger man,im done point proved you are wrong as this article proved.
Take it easy kid

Mod: Drop this type of stuff now please. You're baiting, and if you keep doing it you'll be infracted. If you can't have an adult conversation then don't bother posting.

darced

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MrStuffins

darced wrote: »

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What criteria are involved in "frame" and how would they be translated into dividing fighters into divisions?

Zero-Cool

Not hating jones for the sake of it, I love the way he throws elbows like punches, his elbows and knees are my favourite thing to watch in mma. As for the person he is, I find him incredibly annoying to listen to. As for his tactics, im surprised no one has bitten off those chicken fingers by now, looks like it would be infuriating for someone to do that to you, even worse when he has so much ability, he really doesn't need to be pawing faces.

Really don't understand all the arguments about his weight.

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amkin25

To be honest i do like jones and off course he has talents that make him number 1,great speed and movement for a big guy and great wrestling and he doesnt rub me the wrong way as much as some, i like and respect hes clean and isn't a trt exemption guy like so many.
But have a look at this pic, arlovski who is a solid 240 pounds at least and tell me jones isn't bigger than most light heavyweights
At least you got to admit he is a bigger than most in his weight no?
http://img.mixedmartialarts.com/method=get&s=andrei-arlovski-jon-jones.jpg