Monday Night Raw 28-4-14

CSF

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I might be on my own here but I find Bray and Cena's feud boring and think it should have ended at WM

Alternatively, this should have been their Wrestlemania feud. That one was very boring. This one has alot more intrigue to it. I genuinely don't know what happens on Sunday now, if Bray wins, Cena almost has to turn heel. If Cena wins again, Bray isn't such a legitimate threat anymore.

JP Liz V1

CSF wrote: »

Alternatively, this should have been their Wrestlemania feud. That one was very boring. This one has alot more intrigue to it. I genuinely don't know what happens on Sunday now, if Bray wins, Cena almost has to turn heel. If Cena wins again, Bray isn't such a legitimate threat anymore.

I expect Bray to win on Sunday but I still find the feud boring and safe to say there is no way Cena is turning heel

CSF

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I expect Bray to win on Sunday but I still find the feud boring and safe to say there is no way Cena is turning heel

Bray winning on Sunday, and Cena carrying on as if he is same old Cena would be ridiculous.

I understand why Cena turning heel is improbable and I completely agree with the reasoning, but this storyline is definitely putting doubts in my head. I mean it definitely seemed as though the Cena boos were put alot higher in the mix than usual.

They're intentionally building the whole 'the crowd have turned on Cena' thing. Barely even trying to show all the kids that love him. That goes 2 ways following Extreme Rules, first way, Cena finally puts Bray and his 'message' away once and for all, being Supercena for the kids once again, or alternatively Bray's 'message' wins the day and where exactly does Supercena go from there?

krudler

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I expect Bray to win on Sunday but I still find the feud boring and safe to say there is no way Cena is turning heel

there was no way Brock was winning, look what happened there :pac:

colmufc

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

Was Flair really locked?! Seemed like it, started ok but it quickly became clear that Flair was a sitting duck out there.

Orton looked pissed off before his que came to actually be pissed off. :pac:

I don't think he was i genuinely belive he just can't speak anymore he's got a speech problem that's been getting worse every time he comes back to cut a promo , not surprised he backed the shield but genuinely surprised they turned the beat down around at the end , hhh won't stay competitive for lo g and Batista is off after extreme rules so EVO either won't last or it will just sit on the back burner til it's time Batista gets his title shot

IvySlayer

You've got the whole world in your hands

Cannot get it out of my fecking head

dirkmeister

This Wyatt segment is top notch, pity they went to an ad break during this bit Monday.

rovert

dirkmeister wrote: »

This Wyatt segment is top notch, pity they went to an ad break during this bit Monday.

Lots of joyless pundits/podcasters/newsletter fumed about WWE never explaining how Wyatt got all those kids. Part of his Cult or did Bray print out a load of permission slips and went to the local primary school?

jaykhunter

Yeah, Alvarez came across like such a smarky IWC douche finding reasons to not enjoy that awesome segment. He must be trolling!

rovert

jaykhunter wrote: »

Yeah, Alvarez came across like such a smarky IWC douche finding reasons to not enjoy that awesome segment. He must be trolling!

In fairness it wasn't just Alvarez, Comes from the same ethic that "why doesn't Cena/babyface locker room hope out and save babyface x" does from. All things need to be explained for some.

Ape Lincoln

rovert wrote: »

In fairness it wasn't just Alvarez, Comes from the same ethic that "why doesn't Cena/babyface locker room hope out and save babyface x" does from. All things need to be explained for some.

Is it not a fair point to extend psychology to angles skits and segments? Think the babyface/locker room comment was on point as Triple H empties the heel locker room when it suits.

rovert

Ape Lincoln wrote: »

Is it not a fair point to extend psychology to angles skits and segments? Think the babyface/locker room comment was on point as Triple H empties the heel locker room when it suits.

WWE has long established that fans shouldn't think about that.

In previous decades the promoter would say earlier in the show that their Cena was off visiting a children's hospital of something before a heel beatdown. Subsequent to that the babyface lockeroom was padlocked or an emergency meeting was called elsewhere in the arena.

But Cena not saving Bryan does look made Cena look like a self involved dickhead when they are dating a set of Sisters.

jaykhunter

I see what ya mean. I reckon Babyfaces don't go out and save someone getting beaten down because they're not watching the show (ie getting ready for their match etc). Only those with vested interest in the segment (like Big E, or those beside gorilla with their theme queued up) would watch.

I suppose everything should be scrutinised and picked apart the same but I'd be of the ilk to only do that to crappy segments when there's nothing positive to hang on to. There's precious little to enjoy in today's WWE without shítting on the good stuff.

CastorTroy

I know when Punk and Bryan were teaming before (think against the Authority) that Punk said the reason he doesn't help Bryan is because he knows Bryan wants to stand up to them on his own and it's the same reason why Bryan doesn't come to help Punk. Or something along those lines.

Of course maybe Cena's just jealous because Bryan got the nicer of the Bellas.

Ape Lincoln

jaykhunter wrote: »

There's precious little to enjoy in today's WWE without shítting on the good stuff.

Ain't that the truth. So much of what we discuss and debate and the fantasy booking and all that is moot as WWE could care less as Rovert pointed out.

Fwiw, The Shield made the save for John Cena when The Wyatts attacked him after the 3on1 the other week. It only happened on the Network post-game show ergo "if it didn't happen on TV then it didn't happen".

A Primal Nut

Ape Lincoln wrote: »

Is it not a fair point to extend psychology to angles skits and segments? Think the babyface/locker room comment was on point as Triple H empties the heel locker room when it suits.

The obvious explanation is that the babyfaces are afraid of the authority and don't want to lose their jobs.

There are always explanations for these things without WWE going out of their way to explain it. That said the commentators could do a better job of filling in plot holes but they don't need to. Smarks like to point out plot holes but a lot of times they have explanations if you use your imagination - just WWE didn't bother coming up with one because they are too busy trying to entertain.

Lord TSC

I don't mind commentators not spelling everything out, provided it's clear there's reasons certain things are being done. But I think there's a difference between it not being spelled out, and the audience having to go write their own story to fill in blanks that were caused by poor writing.

Anyway, the kids thing wouldn't bother me. I can get why it might bother some but there's far shaker aspects to the feud than that.

CSF

Such a stupid criticism.

I mean if we really wanna delve into the real life of what would happen in wrestling, why was Kane not swiftly arrested for a possible questionably motivated abduction of a young female.

Not everything has to be completely real life logical.

Moneymaker

Yeah lads its wrestling. Logic doesn't really belong in general.

Lord TSC

Moneymaker wrote: »

Yeah lads its wrestling. Logic doesn't really belong in general.

I 100% disagree. But this goes back to something Jay mentioned the other day about Divas and how WWE have conditioned people to just accept massive flaws in the product.

There's always some level of logic involved in everything, even if it's minimal. It's more that we're asked to draw a very low line in the sand as to how far we'll let that logic drop before we give out.

Logic is the foundation of everything in storytelling; it's why faces fight heels, why people fight for championships, why person A wants to fight Person B. Without logic...well, look at anything Vince Russo puts his hands on. Products fail.

Fair enough if you don't mind the lack of logic in where Bray found the kids (being honest, that never even crossed my mind until this morning reading this topic), and I'd agree with the notion that you shouldn't let a logic gap make you as angry as it makes some people. But nor should people be criticized for wanting a basic level of logic when wanting to invest in a storyline.

Moneymaker

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I 100% disagree. But this goes back to something Jay mentioned the other day about Divas and how WWE have conditioned people to just accept massive flaws in the product.

There's always some level of logic involved in everything, even if it's minimal. It's more that we're asked to draw a very low line in the sand as to how far we'll let that logic drop before we give out.

Logic is the foundation of everything in storytelling; it's why faces fight heels, why people fight for championships, why person A wants to fight Person B. Without logic...well, look at anything Vince Russo puts his hands on. Products fail.

Fair enough if you don't mind the lack of logic in where Bray found the kids (being honest, that never even crossed my mind until this morning reading this topic), and I'd agree with the notion that you shouldn't let a logic gap make you as angry as it makes some people. But nor should people be criticized for wanting a basic level of logic when wanting to invest in a storyline.

That's why I said in general :pac:

I agree with you but overthinking things and trying to have perfect logic to everything will just annoy you imo.

Vince being the "higher power" was stupid and illogical but I was damn entertained by it.