Season 4; Episode 4: 'Oathkeeper'; *Have NOT* Read the Books

Witcher

There was no thread so here it is.

This is the *Non-book readers thread*; No Spoilers


Episode promo;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8UI4yEb7jk

designbydan

You going to watch it live, torrent it tomorrow, or watch on sky atlantic ?

just curious.


Looks to be a good episode btw, but that's true of all of them

Witcher

Ah I'll get it on Sky Atlantic, don't think I have it in me to stay up tonight:pac:

designbydan

Blay wrote: »

Ah I'll get it on Sky Atlantic, don't think I have it in me to stay up tonight:pac:

I've been trying to watch live, but this year the feeds are pretty terrible, I tend to get too annoyed and just wait about an hour or so. . .

. . and then I definitely DON'T torrent it. . . . . not me. . . I wouldn't dare

SeanJ09

What time(Irish) does it air in the US?

designbydan

In ten mins actually . . . . faak I forgot, better go check the streams lol

DL Saint

Well now some nice progression...Dany stuff was a bit boring but glad they didn't give it much screen time. Jamie and Bronn double-team is very cool and interesting. The Littlefinger stuff was better this week. Curses to the Reddit guy who spoiled the necklace thing etc....and curses to those people on these threads who had the same "prediction". That kind of stuff spoils the fun for everyone
Interesting development that Locke has gone undercover and is about to take the black to honor Bolton's request. Wonder how that one will play out.

And now onto that final scene. Well first of all what is the story with Summer? did she fall into a walker trap? Is she under the Ice now? Hope to see a Ghost and Summer reunion. With Bran and the Reeds (and Hodor...poor Hodor) being captured it leaves them without any cards to play. Bran can't exactly warg while being right in front of them can he? But for the moment they are being kept hostage with Jon and co. on the way so I hope that plays out okay...otherwise we might be losing another Stark :{ And that Walker stuff at the end was pretty cool. It seems they turn the babies into walkers which tbh was to be expected. Their underworld /layer looked very slick.

designbydan

DL Saint wrote: »

Well now some nice progression...Dany stuff was a bit boring but glad they didn't give it much screen time. Jamie and Bronn double-team is very cool and interesting. The Littlefinger stuff was better this week. Curses to the Reddit guy who spoiled the necklace thing etc....and curses to those people on these threads who had the same "prediction". That kind of stuff spoils the fun for everyone
Interesting development that Locke has gone undercover and is about to take the black to honor Bolton's request. Wonder how that one will play out.

And now onto that final scene. Well first of all what is the story with Summer? did she fall into a walker trap? Is she under the Ice now? Hope to see a Ghost and Summer reunion. With Bran and the Reeds (and Hodor...poor Hodor) being captured it leaves them without any cards to play. Bran can't exactly warg while being right in front of them can he? But for the moment they are being kept hostage with Jon and co. on the way so I hope that plays out okay...otherwise we might be losing another Stark :{ And that Walker stuff at the end was pretty cool. It seems they turn the babies into walkers which tbh was to be expected. Their underworld /layer looked very slick.

T'was a good episode but Bahahahaha spoilers all round for the people who haven't watched it yet like say the OP lol

DL Saint

designbydan wrote: »

T'was a good episode but Bahahahaha spoilers all round for the people who haven't watched it yet like say the OP lol

Once the episode has aired we are free to discus it in this thread so it's cool.

thefa

The whole goings on around the wall and north of it lacks a bit of coherency. The wildlings huge army is still procrastinating and the white walkers army from the end of season 2 is still in hiding. The whole universe revolves around crasters keep in that episode. The wildlings are within reach, the white walkers are a horse ride from their HQ, the nights watch are on their way and brans crew just bump into it. All in what is meant to be a huge area which isn't even fully mapped. I feel like it could be done better.

Liam O

thefa wrote: »

The whole goings on around the wall and north of it lacks a bit of coherency. The wildlings huge army is still procrastinating and the white walkers army from the end of season 2 is still in hiding. The whole universe revolves around crasters keep in that episode. The wildlings are within reach, the white walkers are a horse ride from their HQ, the nights watch are on their way and brans crew just bump into it. All in what is meant to be a huge area which isn't even fully mapped. I feel like it could be done better.

I think they speed up a lot of things around the Wall like when Styr sent that kid to Castle Black in the last episode which was probably a good distance away but it cut to the kid being there straight away, so timelines are obviously interchangeable. Locke got there quite fast from the Dreadfort too. Crasters Keep is just 60 miles from the Wall going by this episode so that would be accessible in a couple of hours whereas the climate in that white walker populated area was a lot worse so was probably a lot further off.

designbydan

thefa wrote: »

The whole goings on around the wall and north of it lacks a bit of coherency. The wildlings huge army is still procrastinating and the white walkers army from the end of season 2 is still in hiding. The whole universe revolves around crasters keep in that episode. The wildlings are within reach, the white walkers are a horse ride from their HQ, the nights watch are on their way and brans crew just bump into it. All in what is meant to be a huge area which isn't even fully mapped. I feel like it could be done better.

If you look at a map of the place,
Crasters is not that far from the wall (in the grand scheme of things) The Wildlings are travelling further but also as a huge army, it would take them much longer to cover the same ground. To say the White Walkers are just a horse ride is a bit of a stretch too, since it's a dead horse. . . you've no idea how far they actually are away from Crasters, I'd say they're waiting for Winter to come anyway before going near the wall. By looking at the map I'm guessing they're in the "Land of always winter" which would make sense judging by the look of the place. which is a fair bit away from Crasters.

If you look at where Locke was sent from, to where Crasters is from the wall, there's huge differences there, But in fairness we've no idea how long it's been between each episode.


Btw depending on which map you look at the land of always winter is in VERY different places lol.

ceadaoin.

I really enjoyed that episode, wish it had kept going so I could see what happened with Jon Snow and Brann at Casters Keep. Looking forward to next week.

I found myself wanting Jamie and Brienne to kiss in their goodbye scene too!

I hope the Daenerys story arc picks up soon, I'm not interested in that at all. I just wanted it to be over so I could see what else was going on.

Naydy

Great episode! I'm really happy about Brienne and Pod teaming up and heading off after Sansa, two of my favourite characters, so I can't wait to see how that plays out .

And Oleanna Tyrell was behind the poisoning. Although Littlefingers motives aren't clear, so it will be interesting to see those come to light! I was rewatching the beginning of season 3 and I'd forgotten that he was the one who negotiated with the Tyrells to come over to the Lannisters side before the Battle of the Blackwater, so it makes it a bit more plausible that they would have ended up conspiring together.

I wish they'd drop Dany's storyline for a while though until it gets more interesting, at least they got it out of the way at the beginning of the episode!

thefa

designbydan wrote: »

If you look at a map of the place,
Crasters is not that far from the wall (in the grand scheme of things) The Wildlings are travelling further but also as a huge army, it would take them much longer to cover the same ground. To say the White Walkers are just a horse ride is a bit of a stretch too, since it's a dead horse. . . you've no idea how far they actually are away from Crasters, I'd say they're waiting for Winter to come anyway before going near the wall. By looking at the map I'm guessing they're in the "Land of always winter" which would make sense judging by the look of the place. which is a fair bit away from Crasters.

If you look at where Locke was sent from, to where Crasters is from the wall, there's huge differences there, But in fairness we've no idea how long it's been between each episode.


Btw depending on which map you look at the land of always winter is in VERY different places lol.

You prove my point on the the lack of coherency. We are left guessing as to the timeline with certain events happening relatively quickly (Locke arriving at castle black) to others (wildling army assembling and white walkers army being at the wall by the end of season 2). The white Walkers were at the wall at the end of season 2 I believe.

Thought the episode was extremely boring. No real developments. Filler nonsense. They're really belabouring the "Dani emancipator of slaves" stuff....we get it guys! Would like something else from the storyline please.

I'm not expecting action every week but there could be some plot development. They're probably saving it for one of the last few episodes again...you know that one cracking episode every season?

ricero

Deleted User wrote: »

Thought the episode was extremely boring. No real developments. Filler nonsense. They're really belabouring the "Dani emancipator of slaves" stuff....we get it guys! Would like something else from the storyline please.

I'm not expecting action every week but there could be some plot development. They're probably saving it for one of the last few episodes again...you know that one cracking episode every season?

i dont know what you were watching but i thought it was brilliant from start to finish at that ending :eek:. best episode of the new series so far for me.

also there has been pregnant women killed, people beheaded and even babys killed in this series yet for me seeing Hodor getting picked on has saddened and angered me the most since watching the show

Standman

ricero wrote: »

i dont know what you were watching but i thought it was brilliant from start to finish at that ending :eek:. best episode of the new series so far for me.

also there has been pregnant women killed, people beheaded and even babys killed in this series yet for me seeing Hodor getting picked on has saddened and angered me the most since watching the show

Speaking of horrible scenes, the "rape 'em 'till they're dead" line from the guy in Crasters Keep while all around him Crasters daughters are being raped is one of the most horrific scenes so far in the whole series!

I thought the white walker guy at the end who touched the baby's face looked a bit cheesy, like a bad guy from an episode of Power Rangers or something.

celica00

love to read this thread as I know the books but I love to see what non-reader think about it

krudler

ricero wrote: »

i dont know what you were watching but i thought it was brilliant from start to finish at that ending :eek:. best episode of the new series so far for me.

also there has been pregnant women killed, people beheaded and even babys killed in this series yet for me seeing Hodor getting picked on has saddened and angered me the most since watching the show

Same, was like watching a puppy being tortured :mad:

Dempsey

Deleted User wrote: »

Thought the episode was extremely boring. No real developments. Filler nonsense. They're really belabouring the "Dani emancipator of slaves" stuff....we get it guys! Would like something else from the storyline please.

I'm not expecting action every week but there could be some plot development. They're probably saving it for one of the last few episodes again...you know that one cracking episode every season?

Did the episode you watched only last 10 minutes?

McGrath5

DL Saint wrote: »

Interesting development that Locke has gone undercover and is about to take the black to honor Bolton's request. Wonder how that one will play out.

What is the purpose of Locke going to The Wall?

naughto

robbed of another site

to refresh your memories, he’s one of the men who attempted to rape Brienne (Gwendoline Christie), and later threw her in a bear pit. He’s a friend to the Boltons, and was sent North to find Bran (Isaac Hempstead-Wright) and Rickon Stark (Art Parkinson) in order to kill them properly and ensure the Boltons’ command of Winterfell.

ceadaoin.

naughto wrote: »

robbed of another site

to refresh your memories, he’s one of the men who attempted to rape Brienne (Gwendoline Christie), and later threw her in a bear pit. He’s a friend to the Boltons, and was sent North to find Bran (Isaac Hempstead-Wright) and Rickon Stark (Art Parkinson) in order to kill them properly and ensure the Boltons’ command of Winterfell.

From what I remember Roose Bolton sent Locke to the wall to extract information about Bran and Rickons whereabouts from Jon Snow. And then to kill all 3 of them.

snausages

A friend I was speaking to says this episode has blown several fan theories out of the water. What's he referring to exactly?

I'm pretty sure that this isn't against the charter to discuss because it doesn't involve any spoilers, and if it is that's kind of silly.

snausages

Naydy wrote: »

Great episode! I'm really happy about Brienne and Pod teaming up and heading off after Sansa, two of my favourite characters, so I can't wait to see how that plays out .

And Oleanna Tyrell was behind the poisoning. Although Littlefingers motives aren't clear, so it will be interesting to see those come to light! I was rewatching the beginning of season 3 and I'd forgotten that he was the one who negotiated with the Tyrells to come over to the Lannisters side before the Battle of the Blackwater, so it makes it a bit more plausible that they would have ended up conspiring together.

I wish they'd drop Dany's storyline for a while though until it gets more interesting, at least they got it out of the way at the beginning of the episode!

I think Littlefinger wants to become king of everything basically. They've been portraying him that way for a while (that scene last season about climbing the ladder, also some other scenes I can't quite recall).

Littlefinger is the most powerful and manipulative man in Westeros. Even if he speaks funny.

Sudden Valley

naughto wrote: »

robbed of another site

to refresh your memories, he’s one of the men who attempted to rape Brienne (Gwendoline Christie), and later threw her in a bear pit. He’s a friend to the Boltons, and was sent North to find Bran (Isaac Hempstead-Wright) and Rickon Stark (Art Parkinson) in order to kill them properly and ensure the Boltons’ command of Winterfell.

did he not also cut off Jaime's hand too. I couldn't place him while watching the episode so at least makes more sense now. Thanks.

Thought it was good enough episode- progressed most of the plots and revealed more about the conspiracy and white walkers so definitely not a filler episode for me.

I could see the awkwardness in the Margaery and young king's bedroom scene- must have been hard for the young actor playing that scene!

Washington Irving

snausages wrote: »

A friend I was speaking to says this episode has blown several fan theories out of the water. What's he referring to exactly?

I'm pretty sure that this isn't against the charter to discuss because it doesn't involve any spoilers, and if it is that's kind of silly.

That baby/White Walkers scene at the end.

Above is nothing that wasn't in the episode, just about what was shown here that hasn't been in the books.

snausages

Sudden Valley wrote: »

did he not also cut off Jaime's hand too. I couldn't place him while watching the episode so at least makes more sense now. Thanks.

Thought it was good enough episode- progressed most of the plots and revealed more about the conspiracy and white walkers so definitely not a filler episode for me.

I could see the awkwardness in the Margaery and young king's bedroom scene- must have been hard for the young actor playing that scene!

He cut of Jaime's hand and was sent by the father of that weird torturing guy to find out where Bran is (because he learned he is still alive because he knows Theon didn't really kill him) and to kill any surviving Stark.

He's a right aul fecker he is.

snausages

Washington Irving wrote: »

That baby/White Walkers scene at the end.

Above is nothing that wasn't in the episode, just about what was shown here that hasn't been in the books.

So the 'theory' that people have been arguing over for years is

where White walkers come from?

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Washington Irving

snausages wrote: »

So the 'theory' that people have been arguing over for years is

where White walkers come from?

.

That's the main one, yeah.

J. Marston

Sudden Valley wrote: »

did he not also cut off Jaime's hand too. I couldn't place him while watching the episode so at least makes more sense now. Thanks.

Thought it was good enough episode- progressed most of the plots and revealed more about the conspiracy and white walkers so definitely not a filler episode for me.

I could see the awkwardness in the Margaery and young king's bedroom scene- must have been hard for the young actor playing that scene!

I'd say he loved it.

Anyway, Hodor and Summer are my main concern now. They better live!

Also, the White Walkers look very creepy. They did a great job creating them.

Paddy Cow

snausages wrote: »

I think Littlefinger wants to become king of everything basically. They've been portraying him that way for a while (that scene last season about climbing the ladder, also some other scenes I can't quite recall).

Littlefinger is the most powerful and manipulative man in Westeros. Even if he speaks funny.

I'd give that title to Vary's. Littlefinger wants the throne for himself, which I think will be his downfall. They say that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I think that somewhere down the line Littlefinger is going to get too greedy, overplay his hand and end up with his head on a spike.

Vary's on the other hard is far more dangerous because he is willing to stay in the background pulling the strings. He shows no inclination to take the throne himself and repeatedly says that he wants what's best for the realm.

Dan_Solo

Not a lot to see here. Too much King's Landing waffle. The whole defeat of Meereen done off camera... WTF? Like I said before, Spartacus managed decent battle scenes on what have to have been much smaller than the GoT budget. An entire civilization falls off camera?
Some redemption near the end, and what this whole series is badly lacking: magic! I don't feel sorry for that kid at all. I'd rather be turned into and ice man than whatever those lads back at the house had in store.

Adamocovic

So does anyone know what the deal with white walkers ageing is? Do they have to raise these kids for like 18 years before they're ready to fight haha, and jaysus christ how many fecking babies have they received throughout the years!

Liam O

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Not a lot to see here. Too much King's Landing waffle. The whole defeat of Meereen done off camera... WTF? Like I said before, Spartacus managed decent battle scenes on what have to have been much smaller than the GoT budget. An entire civilization falls off camera?
Some redemption near the end, and what this whole series is badly lacking: magic! I don't feel sorry for that kid at all. I'd rather be turned into and ice man than whatever those lads back at the house had in store.

Nobody defeated Meereen, the slaves just opened the gates and let the army in.

Dan_Solo

Adamocovic wrote: »

So does anyone know what the deal with white walkers ageing is? Do they have to raise these kids for like 18 years before they're ready to fight haha, and jaysus christ how many fecking babies have they received throughout the years!

I wonder are they only getting gifted babies by Craster. Wouldn't be that many of them then. Looking at the rest of the wildlings there seems to be more males than females if anything, so it doesn't look like giving up the male babies is that common.

naughto

the white walkers horse was f1ucking class.they need to give more time to the walkers

Dan_Solo

Liam O wrote: »

Nobody defeated Meereen, the slaves just opened the gates and let the army in.

It just made no sense to me. You have an army at your gates and a gang of skivvies with a bag of knives waltz past your army and let the enemy in? It looks like it could have been a cool segment that just went all wrong at the scriptwriting.

Adamocovic

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I wonder are they only getting gifted babies by Craster. Wouldn't be that many of them then. Looking at the rest of the wildlings there seems to be more males than females if anything, so it doesn't look like giving up the male babies is that common.

Ye was thinking that too. They must be getting some off wildlings. Craster would have had his work cut out to produce all them!

Dan_Solo

naughto wrote: »

the white walkers horse was f1ucking class.they need to give more time to the walkers

Were those frozen guys in the first series white walkers too? They didn't seem to act one bit like these guys, just basically snow zombies.

Naydy

snausages wrote: »

I think Littlefinger wants to become king of everything basically. They've been portraying him that way for a while (that scene last season about climbing the ladder, also some other scenes I can't quite recall).

That ladder scene was brilliant alright. But I remember a more recent scene where he says something along the lines of "Given the chance, what do we do to those who've hurt the ones we love?"
Part of me thinks that they are trying so hard to make him come across as the bad guy that it may not be true. He's really a selfish character but he loved Catelyn, was obsessed with her even. And the Lannisters are the reason she's dead. I dunno, I could be well off the mark (I don't trust my instincts with this show anymore, too many twists!), but maybe his ultimate goal was always to win her, become worthy of her with a title and power and when she died that turned into wanting revenge. Gaining power is just a means to an end if that's the case.

snausages wrote: »

Littlefinger is the most powerful and manipulative man in Westeros. Even if he speaks funny.

I laughed so much at this

shruikan2553

Tommen is a very lucky boy.

I think littlefinger knows he cant face any of the others with an army so is letting everyone else do his dirty work and then at the end will finish whats left. I wouldnt be surprised to see him become a lot more important. He is shown as wanting the throne here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxlIraEV8n4

Adamocovic

Was a good episode, really want to see the story involving the Boltons and Ironborn though. And also Gendry storyline would be nice to see. Hopefully they mix it up next week and show some of them.

naughto

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Were those frozen guys in the first series white walkers too? They didn't seem to act one bit like these guys, just basically snow zombies.

no they dident,id be thinking that the lads we seen in this ep are the head lads.the ones that we seen before are prob just scumbags wakers that will fight with them selfs after a liverpool game,
is there women white walkers does any one know?

macslash

Lads, at the end of season 3 Theon's sister disobeyed her auld fella and we saw her load and board a ship to go bring back Theon. Is she still sailing or what? Unless I'm having a complete brainfart we havnt seen her this series yet sure?

castletownman

I genuinely thought that when Margery left Tommen's room, we were going to see an awkward "first wet dream" scene :eek:

Dan_Solo

naughto wrote: »

no they dident,id be thinking that the lads we seen in this ep are the head lads.the ones that we seen before are prob just scumbags wakers that will fight with them selfs after a liverpool game,
is there women white walkers does any one know?

Haha, I blame the parents. Sure what chance did they have in life.
Pretty sure now I think of it they did call them white walkers in series 1. Unless they weren't of course because they're nothing at all like these rather serene and noble (if very creepy) looking guys on snow horses.

Dan_Solo

castletownman wrote: »

I genuinely thought that when Margery left Tommen's room, we were going to see an awkward "first wet dream" scene :eek:

Actually, I was 100% sure as the camera panned down we'd see somebody snooping under the bed. It was such a weird scene transition as you don't really see it anywhere else in the series.

Naydy

macslash wrote: »

Lads, at the end of season 3 Theon's sister disobeyed her auld fella and we saw her load and board a ship to go bring back Theon. Is she still sailing or what? Unless I'm having a complete brainfart we havnt seen her this series yet sure?

No she hasn't been in it this season yet. That actually doesn't make much sense at all since it seems a lot of time has passed. Isn't Ramsey taking Theon with him now though when he goes after the Stark lads, so she's not going to find him at the Dreadfort even if she does show up?

naughto

castletownman wrote: »

I genuinely thought that when Margery left Tommen's room, we were going to see an awkward "first wet dream" scene :eek:

id say he pulled the bar off him self
i no i would have