Bayern Munich vs Real Madrid (Second Leg) (Allianz Arena) KO: 7:45PM (ITV1 + TV3)

Barr

Game over at half time , hope RM do not take their foot off the gas.

Son Of A Vidic

Mushy wrote: »

Lawrenson looks like a right tool now, moaning bout Pepe. Instantly shuts up when replay shows ball smashed into his face.

Poor Lawro was gutted from the moment the first goal went in. Makes it more enjoyable though.

monkey9

Madrid have been both brilliant and pathetic in that first half.

kryogen

Agueroooo wrote: »

Question which should interest a few;

What formation are Madrid playing?

442 for the most part

mike65

Deleted User wrote: »

So I'd like to hear more about how much better the Bundesliga is than the PL. In this season's CL 2 German team out in the last 16, one in the quarters and one in the semi. England had 2 out in the last 16, one in the quarters and one in the semis at worst. Meanwhile in the EL a German team failed to qualify, 1 out in the group stage and the last out in the round of 32. English teams went out 1 in the group stage, 1 in the last 32 and 1 in the last 16.



Anyway, great half of football.

The Bundesliga is a thin flan with some colourful peppers as presentation to fool us I think - you'd have to suppose that not only are Bayern a poorer side than last season, the fact they bossed the league so thoroughly has badly blunted their own appetite and momentum. You can't just turn it on and off.

rob316

Tika taka was found out long ago, barcelona where mauled by bayern last year.why would pep turn a devestating direct team into a predictable possession based team.

LuckyLloyd

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Madrid have been utterly ruthless is the most accurate way to describe it.

In terms of finishing they haven't even. Though they have turned just about any chance of an attack into a chance which is another kind of ruthlessness I guess. :P

klose

Superb stuff, hopefully atleti win tomorrow too and we can have a proper final.

Fudge You

shamrock55 wrote: »

Munich are muck, and have been for a while now, the bundesliga is like the scotish league at this stage

???
This time last year. The germans were the best league in the world. Football fans are so strange, with memories so poor.

LuckyLloyd

rob316 wrote: »

Tika taka was found out long ago, barcelona where mauled by bayern last year.why would pep turn a devestating direct team into a predictable possession based team.

Ideology

brevity

Should I feel bad that I kinda liked tiki-taka?

Son Of A Vidic

rob316 wrote: »

Tika taka was found out long ago, barcelona where mauled by bayern last year.why would pep turn a devestating direct team into a predictable possession based team.

Yes but many were in denial, tonight now gives them nowhere to hide.

Agueroooo

kryogen wrote: »

442 for the most part

It was actually 5-2-2-1 for large parts with Bale and Benzema in the second row of 2 and pulling the Bayern midfield wide, and tight on occasions.

really really impressive stuff and the Bayern midfield rendered useless.

Omackeral

Brian Kerr saying Ray Moss for Sergio Ramos is class. Sounds like some chap from your estate. Ray Moss. Brian Kerr is the greatest thing in football, possibly ever.

Neuer is lucky that they're being annihilated because it's distracting from the fact that he has been absolutely atrocious tonight.

Amirani

shamrock55 wrote: »

Munich are muck, and have been for a while now, the bundesliga is like the scotish league at this stage

Nah, it's really not.

adox

klose wrote: »

Superb stuff, hopefully atleti win tomorrow too and we can have a proper final.

Still be a "proper" final with Chelsea there.

Fudge You

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Yes but many were in denial, tonight now gives them nowhere to hide.

Barcelona are not playing tonight.

Mars Bar

brevity wrote: »

Should I feel bad that I kinda liked tiki-taka?

Not at all.

Seaneh

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Ideology

Worse than that, dogmatism.

alchemist33

rob316 wrote: »

Tika taka was found out long ago, barcelona where mauled by bayern last year.why would pep turn a devestating direct team into a predictable possession based team.

But you can have tiki taka and still defend set-pieces properly, which is where Bayern went wrong. And now they're chasing while lacking confidence against a team built for counter attacking.

castletownman

Pep is going to bring Martinez on up front and pump ball up to him.

Straight from the Allardyce book of tactical masterclass.

brevity

I love when people dismiss other leagues (spanish, german) by comparing it to the Scottish league.

Lucas Hood

rob316 wrote: »

Tika taka was found out long ago, barcelona where mauled by bayern last year.why would pep turn a devestating direct team into a predictable possession based team.

Pep trys to be too clever most of the time. They'll be a much better team with Lewandowski there next season.

Rayne Wooney

It's a pity Mourinho will kill this nice football if he gets to the final

brevity

Mars Bar wrote: »

Not at all.

*Hugs*

upstairs for coffee

Tiki Taka version 2.0 from next season onwards when they get Lewandowski. The Tika Taka renaissance if you will.

So who's preparing the overly florid and gushing summary for after the match? :pac:

kryogen

rarnes1 wrote: »

It's happened plenty of top players over the years. Always a rule I thought was harsh but thems the rules

I wouldn't wager it has happened to many players who are 4 goals up in a tie when the opponent needs 5 in a situation like that tbh.

No need for it whatsoever

Andersonisgod

The risk is huge, thats why not everybody can use tiki taka. If it was easy, if there wasn't risk attached to it then everybody would do it. To deploy it you need something approaching perfection, you need the right players, with the right attributes, you need those right players with those right attributes to buy into it fully. Then you need it to be executed near perfectly. If it isn't then you run the risk of what has occured tonight. Concentration and execution need to be absolutely right against the top teams. When done correctly it can get to the levels we've seen Barcelona muster against Real Madrid at the Bernabeu or against Man Utd in 2011 or Spain in Euro 2008 or the final of 2012, masterpieces.

That isn't to insult Real Madrid, but bringing in super-athletes, exploiting space, being reactive rather than proactive runs far less risk than, which is why so many more teams opt for adopting this style of play.

Tonight Bayern have been below par, against a top side, deploying Pep's style of football, when you are below par the defeat will become a massacre if the opposition team have the ability and bottle to take advantage of the deficiencies. That is the risk Pep runs every game, that is the risk that is accentuated against the top sides, that risk is why tiki taka, when done correctly, is the most beautiful football there is.

RainMaker

I'm consistently underwhelmed by Ribery

MisterAnarchy

Seaneh wrote: »

Pep has taken a team that played the best football Europe has seen for over a decade and turned them into Barcelona MK II.

Not really .
Peak Barcelona would easily have beaten Heynckes Bayern .
The football Barcelona played at their peak in 2011 was not aimless tika taka ,it was lethal football.
He overdid it after that as his obsession with retaining possession grew.

Barr

If it were AM and RM in the final it would be an extremely cagey affair.

Amirani

Barr wrote: »

If it were AM and RM in the final it would be an extremely cagey affair.

No more than if Chelsea are there.

Seaneh

castletownman wrote: »

Pep is going to bring Martinez on up front and pump ball up to him.

Straight from the Allardyce book of tactical masterclass.

Well fecking called!

Barr

Barr wrote: »

If it were AM and RM in the final it would be an extremely cagey affair.

90 mins of insane play acting.

Hank Scorpio

Damage limitation now, Striker off for Martinez

Seaneh

Andersonisgod wrote: »

The risk is huge, thats why not everybody can use tiki taka. If it was easy, if there wasn't risk attached to it then everybody would do it. To deploy it you need something approaching perfection, you need the right players, with the right attributes, you need those right players with those right attributes to buy into it fully. Then you need it to be executed near perfectly. If it isn't then you run the risk of what has occured tonight. Concentration and execution need to be absolutely right against the top teams. When done correctly it can get to the levels we've seen Barcelona muster against Real Madrid at the Bernabeu or against Man Utd in 2011 or Spain in Euro 2008 or the final of 2012, masterpieces.

That isn't to insult Real Madrid, but bringing in super-athletes, exploiting space, being reactive rather than proactive runs far less risk than, which is why so many more teams opt for adopting this style of play.

Tonight Bayern have been below par, against a top side, deploying Pep's style of football, when you are below par the defeat will become a massacre if the opposition team have the ability and bottle to take advantage of the deficiencies. That is the risk Pep runs every game, that is the risk that is accentuated against the top sides, that risk is why tiki taka, when done correctly, is the most beautiful football there is.

The excuses begin.

Stainless_Steel

People are reading too much into tiki-taka vs direct.

The fact is that Real Madrid have some of the quickest and most lethal players in the world. Not like tika taka is being "found out" if you ask me.

rob316

RainMaker wrote: »

I'm consistently underwhelmed by Ribery

Your not the only one. Never got the hype about him, robben is a much better player.

brevity

Andersonisgod wrote: »

The risk is huge, thats why not everybody can use tiki taka. If it was easy, if there wasn't risk attached to it then everybody would do it. To deploy it you need something approaching perfection, you need the right players, with the right attributes, you need those right players with those right attributes to buy into it fully. Then you need it to be executed near perfectly. If it isn't then you run the risk of what has occured tonight. Concentration and execution need to be absolutely right against the top teams. When done correctly it can get to the levels we've seen Barcelona muster against Real Madrid at the Bernabeu or against Man Utd in 2011 or Spain in Euro 2008 or the final of 2012, masterpieces.

That isn't to insult Real Madrid, but bringing in super-athletes, exploiting space, being reactive rather than proactive runs far less risk than, which is why so many more teams opt for adopting this style of play.

Tonight Bayern have been below par, against a top side, deploying Pep's style of football, when you are below par the defeat will become a massacre if the opposition team have the ability and bottle to take advantage of the deficiencies. That is the risk Pep runs every game, that is the risk that is accentuated against the top sides, that risk is why tiki taka, when done correctly, is the most beautiful football there is.

But when it doesn't work then you should change it up. That's what most people have a problem with I think.

LuckyLloyd

Andersonisgod wrote: »

The risk is huge, thats why not everybody can use tiki taka. If it was easy, if there wasn't risk attached to it then everybody would do it. To deploy it you need something approaching perfection, you need the right players, with the right attributes, you need those right players with those right attributes to buy into it fully. Then you need it to be executed near perfectly. If it isn't then you run the risk of what has occured tonight. Concentration and execution need to be absolutely right against the top teams. When done correctly it can get to the levels we've seen Barcelona muster against Real Madrid at the Bernabeu or against Man Utd in 2011 or Spain in Euro 2008 or the final of 2012, masterpieces.

That isn't to insult Real Madrid, but bringing in super-athletes, exploiting space, being reactive rather than proactive runs far less risk than, which is why so many more teams opt for adopting this style of play.

Tonight Bayern have been below par, against a top side, deploying Pep's style of football, when you are below par the defeat will become a massacre if the opposition team have the ability and bottle to take advantage of the deficiencies. That is the risk Pep runs every game, that is the risk that is accentuated against the top sides, that risk is why tiki taka, when done correctly, is the most beautiful football there is.

This collection of Bayern players did the treble last year and were magnificent in the process - including an annihilation of Barca in the semi. The players are being asked to play in an exploitable and inefficient manner which wastes their rather fine attributes.

Extreme footballing philosophies have no place in football. When you are deliberately choosing not to play in the manner most likely to win you're missing the point.

kryogen

Agueroooo wrote: »

I honestly think he slipped a bit which made it look worse than it was.

Looked like he realised his error and tried to pull out of it but just couldnt in time unfortunately for him and Madrid.

He definitely realised how stupid it was straight after anyway

Agueroooo

I wish Andy Townsend would take off the snorkel when doing punditry.

Seaneh

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Not really .
Peak Barcelona would easily have beaten Heynckes Bayern .
The football Barcelona played at their peak in 2011 was not aimless tika taka ,it was lethal football.
He overdid it after that as his obsession with retaining possession grew.

Last years Bayern would have blown 2011 Barca off the park too, it wouldn't have been the hammering it was, but it would have been a Bayern win, last season Bayern were unplayable, their intensity, pace, physical style of play and tactics were perfect and designed to destroy tiki-tika.

Andersonisgod

Seaneh wrote: »

The excuses begin.

That's called reasoning, I thought it was sorely lacking and I'd rather not join in with the newspaper headline doomsday sayers if that's alright.

Renn

Cool, imaginary games and results now.

Stainless_Steel

Seaneh wrote: »

Last years Bayern would have blown 2011 Barca off the park too, it wouldn't have been the hammering it was, but it would have been a Bayern win, last season Bayern were unplayable, their intensity, pace, physical style of play and tactics were perfect and designed to destroy tiki-tika.

Ahhhh stop with this "destroying tiki-taka". Tiki taka is keeping possession. Doesn't stop a team from defending properly when they lose the ball.

ollaetta

rarnes1 wrote: »

A Madrid derby or Mourinhio facing his old club

Interestingly both managers would be facing their old clubs albeit not so recently in Ancelotti's case.

MisterAnarchy

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

This collection of Bayern players did the treble last year and were magnificent in the process - including an annihilation of Barca in the semi.

That was a freak result against a jaded Barcelona side ,one that spurred alot of pundits into foolishly saying Bayern would dominate Europe for 5 years .
Bayern have regressed under Guardiola but they were overrated last season .