Breaking News: John O'Donovan Injured During Peaceful Protest Mod Warning #146

Nonoperational

old hippy wrote: »

Things may well be going fine for you & well done but things are not going fine for a many great number of people back home, thanks.

They're not, and I feel bad for the genuine people suffering. As I said, this "campaign" has a core to it that stinks in my opinion.

The thing is though, I personally think that water-metering might actually be a good idea if they do it properly, and may lead to an improved service and reduced waste. Should I feel like an elitist scumbag for saying that? It's my opinion and I'm as entitled to have it as the people stoping the installation of the meters.

rob316 wrote: »

There was a scuffle, a barrier was pushed he fell over. How badly injured could he have been. Severe muscle trauma? A bruise on his arse more like.

You don't have to tell me. I just find disconnect in some of these guys' minds amazing.

old hippy

PeteFalk78 wrote: »

He should be flipping burgers in McDonalds. They're hiring in Cork.

Is there something wrong with working in McDonalds?

bumper234

old hippy wrote: »

Is there something wrong with working in McDonalds?

Maybe you should ask Mr O'Donovan that seeing as he doesn't seem to want to do it.

PeteFalk78

old hippy wrote: »

Is there something wrong with working in McDonalds?

Attacking the straw man perhaps?

No problems working in McDonalds. It got me through college.

BenEadir

old hippy wrote: »

Is there something wrong with working in McDonalds?

Absolutely not, you can learn a lot about customer service, organisation, process etc working a job in McDonalds.

When I was in college I worked in a petrol station at weekends to generate a few quid, if there had been a McDonalds in my area I'd have preferred to work there I can tell you!!

evilivor

PeteFalk78 wrote: »

Taxpayers are not paying him to protest. He should be flipping burgers in McDonalds. They're hiring in Cork.

Now now. The man has severe muscle trauma - flipping burgers would be murder with that.

MarkR

Xantia wrote: »

Go to your tap.
Turn on the tap.
Does water come out?
I presume so.
I am paying taxes.
The taxes fund that water.
If I and all the other taxpayers did not pay for water then it would not come out of the tap.

Must try that. I paid motor tax last year. Just went out to the car and started it. I am paying taxes. Car worked fine. Yay! No more road tax for me!

BenEadir

old hippy wrote: »

Is it relevant?

Of course it's relevant.

If someone who's paid their way in life and/or run a business comments on the economics of charging for a utility they have a qualified opinion based on experience. A scrounger who takes from the taxpayer and channels his energy into professional protesting instead of looking for a job mouths off people will be given the respect he deserves.

BenEadir

MarkR wrote: »

Must try that. I paid motor tax last year. Just went out to the car and started it. I am paying taxes. Car worked fine. Yay! No more road tax for me!

Make your mind up is it motor tax or road tax??? :rolleyes:

old hippy

PeteFalk78 wrote: »

Attacking the straw man perhaps?

No problems working in McDonalds. It got me through college.

As it did my wife, I'm just wondering at all the vitriol being directed towards a protester. Is it what he's protesting at? His demeanour? His politics? His employment status?

evilivor

old hippy wrote: »

As it did my wife, I'm just wondering at all the vitriol being directed towards a protester. Is it what he's protesting at? His demeanour? His politics? His employment status?

My personal beef is with someone who complains about everything and anything - whinging on radio for years - even outside City Hall protesting against the President last month as he received the freedom of Cork.

Why doesn’t he try something positive for a change like run for election? He has never put forward a positive in his life and he's trying to stop others working - he wants everything for free and still he'll whinge for more.

Sam Kade

Sam Kade wrote: »

Can anyone enlighten me, is this the man in question?

He's also pictured in post #11 holding a placard saying "Fine Gael deny freedom protest" Seems to have it in for all sides!

Lambofdave

old hippy wrote: »

Is it relevant?

Yes it is as I want to know how he can afford the time to protest he is all about freedom but who's paying for his?

old hippy

Lambofdave wrote: »

Yes it is as I want to know how he can afford the time to protest he is all about freedom but who's paying for his?

So, once again - if he was employed you'd be fine with his protests? Therefore, unemployed people should just keep their gobs shut?

Nonoperational

old hippy wrote: »

As it did my wife, I'm just wondering at all the vitriol being directed towards a protester. Is it what he's protesting at? His demeanour? His politics? His employment status?

His behaviour is bordering on appalling and he reeks of someone who would protest about the sun coming up in the morning and the sun setting in the evening.

His interview with Neil P this morning nearly made me want to vomit. Self-righteous and pitiful. He was released from CUH after a few hours with nothing the matter. A grown man knocked to the ground. God save us all. Now his attention has turned to getting his little pay day from the state who he so passionately proclaims are out to screw the little person left right and centre. Jesus we don't exactly let people to die here either with our social welfare policies.

AugustusMinimus

These socialist protestor types always make me laugh. Quite a lot of them (not all of them) wouldn't have worked a day in their life yet have no issue taking a weekly dole payment and then protest non stop on perceived injustices in society.

For the most part, they believe that they have been inflicted with these injustices and that our very form of society is the culprit. They'll bang on about socialist (and communist) values without really actually understand what real socialism and communism is about.

Would have been no harm to have landed these boyos in the USSR about 50 years ago and see their reaction as they would be sent down a mine to pick away at a coal face without any avenue to protest.


These anti-austerity protests are getting on my goat too. Is maths that difficult ? How do these protestors believe the government will be able to fund their dole payments without austerity ? Are the protestors suggesting we chase ginger midgets to find their pot of gold ?

Lambofdave

old hippy wrote: »

So, once again - if he was employed you'd be fine with his protests? Therefore, unemployed people should just keep their gobs shut?

Did I say that? I actually wanted to apply for his job if he has one because he will surely be off work with a bruised backside for awhile and he definitely has good terms

old hippy

I'm going to misquote GB Shaw now;

It is impossible for an Irishman to open his mouth without making some other Irishman hate or despise him.

Have a good evening all

Nonoperational

To be honest I just think people that go out and make the best of their lot and do the best they can (the sheep as O'Donovans' crowd call them) are fed up of useless disingenuous tossers acting like they are the saviours of the land because they can act the hard man and stand on a footpath with a sign all day.

evilivor

Nonoperational wrote: »

To be honest I just think people that go out and make the best of their lot and do the best they can (the sheep as O'Donovans' crowd call them) are fed up of useless disingenuous tossers acting like they are the saviours of the land because they can act the hard man and stand on a footpath with a sign all day.

They are the real life incarnation of people who spend their evenings red-thumbing stories on Journal.ie

54kroc

Anyone know how can they afford to be out protesting all the time?

mikeym

54kroc wrote: »

Anyone know how can they afford to be out protesting all the time?

Dole???


I know I wouldnt be able to take time off work to do the kind of protesting their doing.

Eurovisionmad

mikeym wrote: »

Dole???


I know I wouldnt be able to take time off work to do the kind of protesting their doing.

He said this morning on Neil Prendeville that he was on the dole, "because there's no work about", well if you spent your days out looking for work rather than protesting that might change!

As I say grand life for some, ridiculous sense of entitlement to have everything handed to them for free.

rob316

Nonoperational wrote: »

They're not, and I feel bad for the genuine people suffering. As I said, this "campaign" has a core to it that stinks in my opinion.

The thing is though, I personally think that water-metering might actually be a good idea if they do it properly, and may lead to an improved service and reduced waste. Should I feel like an elitist scumbag for saying that? It's my opinion and I'm as entitled to have it as the people stoping the installation of the meters.



You don't have to tell me. I just find disconnect in some of these guys' minds amazing.

Water metering for the good of the environment and reducing waste is fine and most would accept it. But it has been forced upon us so the exchequer can increase its tax base.

Its a cod, the state dont care about been resourceful.

Sam Kade

Anyone know what age this O Donovan fella is? He looks fresh enough but sounds like a worn out man in his late 60s on the radio.

BenEadir

old hippy wrote: »

So, once again - if he was employed you'd be fine with his protests?

Everyone has the right to protest, it's a free country after all. Employed people who pay tax and understand the basic reality that the provision of a utility like water is an expensive business and should be paid for by the people who benefit from and consume the water have a qualified opinion that should be listened to.

old hippy wrote: »

Therefore, unemployed people should just keep their gobs shut?

Not at all but their opinion needs to be given appropriate respect i.e. if they have a long history of scrounging from the state when they are physically able to work but can't be arsed going for jobs that are "beneath them" then their opinion on the the economic realities of how utilities should be paid for should be given the weight it deserves i.e. VERY little.

Ben

bladebrew

rob316 wrote: »

Water metering for the good of the environment and reducing waste is fine and most would accept it. But it has been forced upon us so the exchequer can increase its tax base.

Its a cod, the state dont care about been resourceful.

That's what I'm trying to say (badly) it's just tax for the government,
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/29-irish-water-workers-on-salaries-over-100000-620644.html
29 of their staff on €100k a year! So they need millions a year just to pay those staff!
And they are going around fitting meters while they argue about how much people will be charged, its nothing to do with saving water.

Eurovisionmad

Also on original matter, John O'Donovan went to CUH, "muscular trauma" (read: bruising), no broken bones, no internal bleeding, nothing even vaguely serious or warranting a trip to A&E. By the way he was talking on the radio this morning you'd swear he's suffering from end stage multiple sclerosis. I'm totally disgusted that he called that ambulance in an attempt to dramatise the situation and in turn took it from someone who actually needed it! *slow clap*

kadman

Hope this thread is not descending into another dole bashing outcome.

What with all inuendos, about scroungers, layabouts ect,ect,ect.

I find some of the comments very offensive to those unfortunate enough to be unemployed, myself included. I know many friends and former work colleagues now in the unenviable position of no job, and very little prospects of getting one in the current climate. Where there were once jobs, they have now been turned into low paid schemes thereby subsidising companies who use them.

And the old argument that the dolies do nought, and get everything, saddens me to hear that. I,m job searching 7 days aweek, and trying anywhere and everything to get some offer of work, part time, full time, evening ,week end, or night work. But I have had no offer, or prospects of anything, like a lot of unemployed I know.

I only wish I had a job where I couldn,t get time off to protest, like most of you here that seem to revel in dole bashing on me and people like me.

I certainly never chose the dole, and I dont know anyone who did.

So folks, give us a break, thats all we want.
rant over

beer enigma

Eurovisionmad wrote: »

Also on original matter, John O'Donovan went to CUH, "muscular trauma" (read: bruising), no broken bones, no internal bleeding, nothing even vaguely serious or warranting a trip to A&E. By the way he was talking on the radio this morning you'd swear he's suffering from end stage multiple sclerosis. I'm totally disgusted that he called that ambulance in an attempt to dramatise the situation and in turn took it from someone who actually needed it! *slow clap*

Ok we don't know the med details and nor should we, so please don't surmise. Discuss the facts by all means, but no supposition

Nonoperational

kadman wrote: »

Hope this thread is not descending into another dole bashing outcome.

What with all inuendos, about scroungers, layabouts ect,ect,ect.

I find some of the comments very offensive to those unfortunate enough to be unemployed, myself included. I know many friends and former work colleagues now in the unenviable position of no job, and very little prospects of getting one in the current climate. Where there were once jobs, they have now been turned into low paid schemes thereby subsidising companies who use them.

And the old argument that the dolies do nought, and get everything, saddens me to hear that. I,m job searching 7 days aweek, and trying anywhere and everything to get some offer of work, part time, full time, evening ,week end, or night work. But I have had no offer, or prospects of anything, like a lot of unemployed I know.

I only wish I had a job where I couldn,t get time off to protest, like most of you here that seem to revel in dole bashing on me and people like me.

I certainly never chose the dole, and I dont know anyone who did.

So folks, give us a break, thats all we want.
rant over

There is absolutely nothing wrong with not having a job but being available for work and being motivated to work if the opportunity presents. Life and **** happens and it doesn't always go to plan. I would have no problem at all with people being looked after if they find themselves in this situation. They should be looked after and there should be much much more support to get people back to work.

What really gets to me is the people that have absolutely no interest at all in working. They are very happy on the dole and the allowances, and when they run out of money they blame the government and the bankers etc for screwing them. It's disingenuous and in my opinion rotten to the core. I've come across a lot of people like this, and it saddens me, but when they then start abusing people who pay their taxes and calling them "sheep" etc, well that just downright pisses me off.

You never chose the dole, and fair play. You'll get where you want to be.

Andip wrote: »

Ok we don't know the med details and nor should we, so please don't surmise. Discuss the facts by all means, but no supposition

That's why I was very careful... but certain facts can be got from his admission.

1) He said himself he had no bone injuries. 2) He was released after being assessed.

BenEadir

kadman wrote: »

Hope this thread is not descending into another dole bashing outcome.

What with all inuendos, about scroungers, layabouts ect,ect,ect.

I find some of the comments very offensive to those unfortunate enough to be unemployed, myself included. I know many friends and former work colleagues now in the unenviable position of no job, and very little prospects of getting one in the current climate. Where there were once jobs, they have now been turned into low paid schemes thereby subsidising companies who use them.

And the old argument that the dolies do nought, and get everything, saddens me to hear that. I,m job searching 7 days aweek, and trying anywhere and everything to get some offer of work, part time, full time, evening ,week end, or night work. But I have had no offer, or prospects of anything, like a lot of unemployed I know.

I only wish I had a job where I couldn,t get time off to protest, like most of you here that seem to revel in dole bashing on me and people like me.

I certainly never chose the dole, and I dont know anyone who did.

So folks, give us a break, thats all we want.
rant over

Kadman,

Thanks you for your articulate post. You are an example of the why the dole was invented i.e. to help deserving people who want to work, are trying to get work but due to circumstances beyond their control cannot find work. I for one have no issue whatsoever paying tax to support people like you because I know that but for the grace of God there go I.......

Please don't bracket yourself in the category of "scroungers" because you aren't and apologies if any of my previous comments offended you. Just because you find yourself on the dole it doesn't mean you are a scrounger any more than people who happen to be born Muslim are terrorists (silly analogy I know but it's early!!)

What (I think) people complain about (I certainly do) are those people who choose the dole/benefits as a lifestyle and can't be bothered their arse to even try and get a job. That is then exacerbated by the likes of John O'Donovan who become professional protesters preventing others from doing their jobs whilst at the same time happily taking dole from the very government he is protesting about.

I hope things pick up for you Kadman. Keep thinking positively (I know it's not easy) and hopefully positive things will happen for you.

Ben

kadman

I,ve seen some assumptions of how easy life is on the dole on this thread, so if you really want to know what the unemployed have to contend with, then read the UCD report on it in the pdf, and see what the real deal is.


http://www.ucd.ie/geary/static/publications/workingpapers/gearywp201116.pdf

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0123/364033-suicide-rate-report/

A cross-border report on suicide shows the rate among young people on the island of Ireland is one of the highest in Europe.

An estimated 165 teenagers and young men took their own lives in the Republic in 2011, and 72 teenagers and young men took their own lives in Northern Ireland during the same year.

The jointly funded cross-border report found the high numbers in both jurisdictions coincide with the economic downturn and rising levels of unemployment.

MrFrisp

I think this Thread is gone well off the subject that was started.
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farmerjj

Hows john now,will he survive?

Eurovisionmad

kadman wrote: »

Hope this thread is not descending into another dole bashing outcome.

What with all inuendos, about scroungers, layabouts ect,ect,ect.

I find some of the comments very offensive to those unfortunate enough to be unemployed, myself included. I know many friends and former work colleagues now in the unenviable position of no job, and very little prospects of getting one in the current climate. Where there were once jobs, they have now been turned into low paid schemes thereby subsidising companies who use them.

And the old argument that the dolies do nought, and get everything, saddens me to hear that. I,m job searching 7 days aweek, and trying anywhere and everything to get some offer of work, part time, full time, evening ,week end, or night work. But I have had no offer, or prospects of anything, like a lot of unemployed I know.

I only wish I had a job where I couldn,t get time off to protest, like most of you here that seem to revel in dole bashing on me and people like me.

I certainly never chose the dole, and I dont know anyone who did.

So folks, give us a break, thats all we want.
rant over

I've nothing but respect for 90% of the people on the dole, being unemployed isn't easy and I think having a social security net for people who happen to be unlucky enough to need it, it's intrinsically important to a fair society. I'd be ever grateful of the dole if god forbid I ever did end up unemployed.

But one has to wonder with John O'Donovan picketting every estate in the Cork area how he finds time to fit in his job hunting!

Rhys Essien

Sam Kade wrote: »

Anyone know what age this O Donovan fella is? He looks fresh enough but sounds like a worn out man in his late 60s on the radio.

He said on radio recently that he was 58.

AugustusMinimus

I have to ask, the correct name for the dole is Jobseekers Allowance. The term implies that when you are in receipt of this allowance, that you are out there attempting to get a job.

From what I can tell, this guy does nothing but protest. Does he think there are job prospects out of his actions ?

bumper234

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

I have to ask, the correct name for the dole is Jobseekers Allowance. The term implies that when you are in receipt of this allowance, that you are out there attempting to get a job.

From what I can tell, this guy does nothing but protest. Does he think there are job prospects out of his actions ?

Maybe a placard making factory will see the work he has done over his (many) years of professional protesting and think

Hey, this is the guy....this is the kind of professional we need to advertise our business!

old hippy

Nonoperational wrote: »

To be honest I just think people that go out and make the best of their lot and do the best they can (the sheep as O'Donovans' crowd call them) are fed up of useless disingenuous tossers acting like they are the saviours of the land because they can act the hard man and stand on a footpath with a sign all day.

How is he acting the hard man?

BenEadir

old hippy wrote: »

How is he acting the hard man?

Did you not hear him blaberring on about how he was going to put his body on the line to prevent meters being installed and if he had to go to prison for his actions he will blah blah blah.

He falls over and needs (a taxpayer funded) ambulance to bring him to (a taxpayer funded) hospital where he receives treatment (from a taxpayer funded doctor) for a bruise on his arse. You couldn't make it up :rolleyes:

Ben

BenEadir

Looks like J O'D's mass movement is really gathering pace. 10 people (yes folks, that many) turned up to heckle Enda Kenny this morning when he visited Cork - see http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/taoiseach-heckled-by-cork-anti-water-meter-protesters-629394.html

I wonder did it cross any of their minds to a) shout congratulations to Enda Kenny for announcing 350 new jobs in Cork this morning (imagine those nasty capitalists creating jobs for people who can then build a life for themselves) or b) get their arse out to VoxPro and apply for one of the 350 jobs?

I bet it didn't even cross John O'Donovan's mind to see if he could get one of those jobs. Why would it? He has bigger fish to fry and no motivation to work.

Ben

Sam Kade

farmerjj wrote: »

Hows john now,will he survive?

He should a bruised arse never killed anyone.

Nonoperational

BenThere wrote: »

Looks like J O'D's mass movement is really gathering pace. 10 people (yes folks, that many) turned up to heckle Enda Kenny this morning when he visited Cork - see http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/taoiseach-heckled-by-cork-anti-water-meter-protesters-629394.html

I wonder did it cross any of their minds to a) shout congratulations to Enda Kenny for announcing 350 new jobs in Cork this morning (imagine those nasty capitalists creating jobs for people who can then build a life for themselves) or b) get their arse out to VoxPro and apply for one of the 350 jobs?

I bet it didn't even cross John O'Donovan's mind to see if he could get one of those jobs. Why would it? He has bigger fish to fry and no motivation to work.

Ben

Jesus the cut of them.

HeidiHeidi

Nonoperational wrote: »

Jesus the cut of them.

Video removed :mad:

Doesn't take much imagination though.

old hippy

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Video removed :mad:

Doesn't take much imagination though.

Imagination is a great thing. I remember the hectoring online by the sort who like to sneer at marchers, protesters etc. It was on one of the many big demos against Iraq. 2 million of us marched but to a few myopic folk we were all long haired, scruffy layabouts. The fact was that people, families, from all walks of life were on the march made no difference to those who's prejudices were so deeply ingrained that they simply couldn't see past them.

AugustusMinimus

old hippy wrote: »

Imagination is a great thing. I remember the hectoring online by the sort who like to sneer at marchers, protesters etc. It was on one of the many big demos against Iraq. 2 million of us marched but to a few myopic folk we were all long haired, scruffy layabouts. The fact was that people, families, from all walks of life were on the march made no difference to those who's prejudices were so deeply ingrained that they simply couldn't see past them.

Past complaining about USAF usage of Shannon Airport, I'm not sure what your marches were supposed to achieve.

Are their any marches planned to protest about the on going slaughter in Syria ? There's slaughtering going on all around the world, but it only ever seems to be protested in this country and others when its either the US or the UK who are perceived to be wrong.

old hippy

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Past complaining about USAF usage of Shannon Airport, I'm not sure what your marches were supposed to achieve.

Are their any marches planned to protest about the on going slaughter in Syria ?

Use your imagination. It seems to be the current trend, here.

brooke 2

Eurovisionmad wrote: »

I pay taxes that make the water flow when you turn on your tap.
However, my water only flows out of my tap because I paid money for it.
Now you will do that and both our taxes will go somewhere else.
Welcome to equality.

The 'somewhere else' which will gobble up our diverted taxes might never be the bonuses of IW executives!! Equality, how are you?!!

brooke 2

rob316 wrote: »

Water metering for the good of the environment and reducing waste is fine and most would accept it. But it has been forced upon us so the exchequer can increase its tax base.

Its a cod, the state dont care about been resourceful.

It is a cod. Is it not true that if we do not use enough water the
charges will go up?

So much for their commitment to conservation. Anyone who believes their lies deserves to be scammed